Oregon ECNL results to date

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Given your obsession and prognosticating about ECNL, yes it is obvious.

I love the posters on TS who think they know who posts which posts. It's anonymous yet they have it all figured out. TS, the land of Internet sleuths.

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You forgot to mention the .250 winning percentage. And also that in the losses, there are a number of 2-0, 3-0 and even 6-0 losses. Basically, when they've lost, they've been beaten soundly. But go ahead and think that the teams are doing pretty well. Being in last place or close to it in league is "doing pretty well" to some of the kool aid drinkers.

I was simply answering the "prognosticator" going on about how terrible the representative GD for the local ECNL teams. My point, which you seemingly missed, was about keeping the proper context of statistics like GD.

your post clearly illustrates a problem with too many parents, all you can see is winning percentage and/or wins as the most important barometer. For me, I'll pass. Would I like for my DD team to win all their games? Sure. Seeing and competing against the best is far more important. I think everyone could agree with that.

If FCP and CU were absolutely not competitive and were hammered in each and every game, then I would certainly question the wisdom and benefit. But they are not. Winning games at U14 or U15 simply isn't as important to me. Why? Because it's not the end game. If you have to ask what is, then you really are clueless.

Just my humble opinion.

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I was simply answering the "prognosticator" going on about how terrible the representative GD for the local ECNL teams. My point, which you seemingly missed, was about keeping the proper context of statistics like GD.

your post clearly illustrates a problem with too many parents, all you can see is winning percentage and/or wins as the most important barometer. For me, I'll pass. Would I like for my DD team to win all their games? Sure. Seeing and competing against the best is far more important. I think everyone could agree with that.

If FCP and CU were absolutely not competitive and were hammered in each and every game, then I would certainly question the wisdom and benefit. But they are not. Winning games at U14 or U15 simply isn't as important to me. Why? Because it's not the end game. If you have to ask what is, then you really are clueless.

Just my humble opinion.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder apparently. Being competitive is being around .500 with a +/-2 GD for the season. I mean, losing all of the time but finding solace in that it's only by 2-0 is really looking at things and trying your best to justify it. I know a lot of ECNL parents who are sick of losing. You think development only comes by losing? No, trust me, it comes from winning too. Losing all of the time sets a mindset with players. They think they are going to lose before they even play. College coaches don't want developed losers. They want developed players who hate to lose. Just wait until those U14s from last year get up to U18 and have 5 solid years of losing .750 of their games. What is their mind set if they go to college to play soccer?

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wow

Thug ball is right. Starting with Tubby who was the biggest flopper ever. Will fit right in at PSU. The Big Sky, the conference of Thug Ball. The two Onyx players going there will fit right in.

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder apparently. Being competitive is being around .500 with a +/-2 GD for the season. I mean, losing all of the time but finding solace in that it's only by 2-0 is really looking at things and trying your best to justify it. I know a lot of ECNL parents who are sick of losing. You think development only comes by losing? No, trust me, it comes from winning too. Losing all of the time sets a mindset with players. They think they are going to lose before they even play. College coaches don't want developed losers. They want developed players who hate to lose. Just wait until those U14s from last year get up to U18 and have 5 solid years of losing .750 of their games. What is their mind set if they go to college to play soccer?

I did say I would want them to win all the time. Of course development comes from winning, But, I think playing better competition leads to better development than lopsided wins against less competitive teams. You also make the presumption that losing somehow develops a losing mind set. I can tell you it's quite the opposite for my daughter and for her teammates.

I suppose if you weren't inherently driven and competitive, you wouldn't, and shouldn't be playing ECNL.

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I did say I would want them to win all the time. Of course development comes from winning, But, I think playing better competition leads to better development than lopsided wins against less competitive teams. You also make the presumption that losing somehow develops a losing mind set. I can tell you it's quite the opposite for my daughter and for her teammates.

I suppose if you weren't inherently driven and competitive, you wouldn't, and shouldn't be playing ECNL.

They are developing at a much faster rate than the Timbers teams. No doubt. If they ever played it would be a complete whitewash for ECNL.

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grow up all of you it is just soccer

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I did say I would want them to win all the time. Of course development comes from winning, But, I think playing better competition leads to better development than lopsided wins against less competitive teams. You also make the presumption that losing somehow develops a losing mind set. I can tell you it's quite the opposite for my daughter and for her teammates.

I suppose if you weren't inherently driven and competitive, you wouldn't, and shouldn't be playing ECNL.

You think that every kid playing ECNL here in Portland is inherently driven and competitive? Are you joking? Nothing could be further from the truth.

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You think that every kid playing ECNL here in Portland is inherently driven and competitive? Are you joking? Nothing could be further from the truth.

More so than the kids not playing ECNL. No doubt.

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grow up all of you it is just soccer

That's not what TA clubs play. It's something closer to rugby - known locally as thugball bootball.

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More so than the kids not playing ECNL. No doubt.

LOL. Now that's the funniest thing I've ever heard on TS. Oh yeah, those ECNL kids really have a desire to compete. Is that why we had two in HS who didn't make varsity? Funny, they are starters on their ECNL team. And yet couldn't make varsity. Now that's funny. But they have a big desire to compete. LOL

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LOL. Now that's the funniest thing I've ever heard on TS. Oh yeah, those ECNL kids really have a desire to compete. Is that why we had two in HS who didn't make varsity? Funny, they are starters on their ECNL team. And yet couldn't make varsity. Now that's funny. But they have a big desire to compete. LOL

They probably couldn't boot the ball 60 yds like your TA players. HS coach is for sure a clown.

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You forgot to mention the .250 winning percentage. And also that in the losses, there are a number of 2-0, 3-0 and even 6-0 losses. Basically, when they've lost, they've been beaten soundly. But go ahead and think that the teams are doing pretty well. Being in last place or close to it in league is "doing pretty well" to some of the kool aid drinkers.

Any team can get a .500+ winning percentage if more than half your games are against Timbers Alliance teams. Just look at how the Timbers teams have done in NWCL and FWRL (both better competition than OYSA but still far less than ECNL) and you'll see that the Timbers teams records are horrible. Fact of the matter is, the winning percentage in ECNL doesn't matter. What matters is whether the girls are developing better and faster facing strong competition all the time. The answer to this is clearly YES; just look at how the gap between the ECNL teams and the Timbers teams has widened in just 2 years of ECNL. There is already no comparison between the two.

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You think that every kid playing ECNL here in Portland is inherently driven and competitive? Are you joking? Nothing could be further from the truth.

Reading comprehension is a must.

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Any team can get a .500+ winning percentage if more than half your games are against Timbers Alliance teams. Just look at how the Timbers teams have done in NWCL and FWRL (both better competition than OYSA but still far less than ECNL) and you'll see that the Timbers teams records are horrible. Fact of the matter is, the winning percentage in ECNL doesn't matter. What matters is whether the girls are developing better and faster facing strong competition all the time. The answer to this is clearly YES; just look at how the gap between the ECNL teams and the Timbers teams has widened in just 2 years of ECNL. There is already no comparison between the two.

You are delusional if you think that all of the competition that Portland ECNL has faced is better than NWCL and FWRL. There are some putrid teams in ECNL and Portland teams still manage to lose to them. LOL