Originally posted by Unregistered
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There you have it people. TA rec mindset right there.
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You have got to be kidding. You have a problem with a parent teaching their child to work hard and earn their way? LOL!
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How so? Because I want a DD who is confident and strong? A daughter who will value hard work? Perhaps you think I'm the person screaming and carrying on at a games? Actually I'm quite the opposite. I'm probably one of the nicest people you will ever meet. Does that mean I don't value what I've been writing about; competing, working hard, doing your best, in whatever you do. Of course not.Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
Why wouldn't you want the same for your DD? Good grief is right.Comment
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I can tell right now your dd isn't going to live up to your vision. You should just give up now.Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
You see, you don't teach competitiveness. They have it or they don't. They want to win or they don't. You don't "coach" that. Sure dad, you can admonish all you want on the way home after the game. But if the kid doesn't want to win on their own, then no amount of yelling at them will instill that. Lots of kids say "I want to be the best and challenge myself", but if they aren't the type that wants to win in the 6th grade reading contest, or in middle school track, or in HS conditioning, then there is a good chance they won't follow through with that "I want to be the best" she told you. Eventually she will find more and more distractions. If she wanted to win the U12 juggling contest with her team on her own, then she has it. If she wanted to win because of you, she doesn't.
Just pay the bill and sit back and shut up. And be her best friend by not setting the expectations beyond her capability. If not, you both are going to be miserable.Comment
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Go back and reread what that poster wrote moron. He said hard work. Not competitiveness. This is what's wrong with you fools. You don't understand the concept of hard work. You want everything handed to you. Classic low expectations rec minded bullish!t.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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Sorry Gomer, hard work is one thing, the will to win is another. If you don't understand that, then I know you dd doesn't understand that and she is destined for quitting by U18. You have no idea. Oh yeah, an ECNL patch will give them the will to win. Did Tom tell you that?Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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LOL! You TA frauds are so desperate! It's not possible to take you seriously.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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Im all about consolidation of talent in our small lil community. Take that talent and make something of it. Make something that others strive to want to belong to or wish they had been part of. Create a legacy of sorts that she can be proud to say "that was my team" and look what we accomplished.
Im sure your too young to remember team names like:
SSC Strykerz
Thusc Mercury
SSC/Thusc Ireland
Westside Copa
Thusc Iridium
Thusc Neon
LOSC Storm
Thusc Neon
Westside Internationals
Eastside Eagles
Westside Gunners
Less then 10 years ago these were all top teams in our state, region and some even nationally. These teams took on all NW comers til they ran out of teams to beat, then looked elsewhere. They didnt run all over the country playing everyone they could, they played teams that were deserving and had earned the right and only put patches on their sleeve they earned (FWR's, USYSA Nationals, Surf/Dallas/Disney winners). College coaches could count on seeing great talent when they played and many went to play on the professional/national stage.
This thing they call "elite" soccer in our state is a farce. The talent pool is still too diluted, coached by worn out folks (many couldn't today pass their "A" license again), doing the same old drills and no motivation to be better.
There is NO incentive to win. Put these coaches and clubs on commission and see what happens. Basic results = basic pay, winning results = higher wages. To low of results and placed on probation, then termination. Light a fire under their butts all the way to the top of the admin pile and see what happens.Comment
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There we have it folks. MoreBull says to pack it up and stick with rec soccer because there is no motivation to win. We could do well with our lil' old club teams but we can't with our lil' old club teams anymore apparently because MoreBull says so. Discussion over!
Oh yea... Go Thorns Academy!!Comment
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So the patch makes her confident and strong ?Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
So the patch will make your daughter value hard work ?
Are you saying that without the patch she would be meager, weak and lazy ?Comment
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Not all players, just yours :DOriginally posted by Unregistered View Post
Oh yeah.......Go Club Soccer !!!!Comment
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I'm the OP speaking about competing, working hard and doing your best. I agree, you can't teach competitiveness. For many, it's either there or not. For others, you can nurture it to a point(by surrounding them with competitive players). There will be a limit, like you say, that will ultimately result in walking away. For others it will never be there, and they move on very early and do other things. All of it is fine. There is always a natural selection, so to speak, that occurs.Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
What I was responding to was the criticisms of parents/kids/coaches/teams for taking on challenges like ECNL. Posters have said it's foolish to take on "overwhelming" competition because the history at NWCL, RCL, FWRL and what ever alphabet soup league that exists or existed wasn't very good. The argument used is you shouldn't accept new challenges until you thoroughly dominate OYSA or OPL and win and dominate The aforementioned alphabet leagues.
My DD is currently very competitive, as are her teammates. They play where they are because of their ultra-competitiveness. So given that, why would we not encourage them to take on challenges like ECNL, or for that matter, any other outlet, i.e ODP, Thorns Academy and whatever else there is.
ECNL is new for Oregon. What will the long term results be? Who knows? Will they play incredible, established teams/clubs? Yes. Will we have our struggles? Yes. But is any of that justification for not even trying? For not giving our DD's every opportunity to compete. I'm optimistic that my DD's team will have success. Does that mean I believe they will win it all, go undefeated? No. I'm a realist too. Part of Success for me, however, is the confidence gained in being competitive against whoever, wherever. Of course, I'd be a blatant liar if I said I wouldn't want them to win. Believe me, I do. But believe me when I say, I've enjoyed close, competitive, tough losses, more than lopsided wins against lower skilled competition.
Another poster characterized me as a douche, presuming I was probably a loud mouth, overbearing dad because of my posts. I am not any of that. I offer encouragement to my DD before a game and my support and love, win or lose, after a game. No coaching, no yelling, no berating.
This is not my first child playing sports at competitive/premiere levels. I know full well, it will end someday. Given the previous results, I wouldn't change a thing. I won't change with my DD either. So, I guess I've already learned to "Just pay the bill and sit back and shut up".Comment
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Before responding flippantly, you should read my post in the context of the thread it was made. It has NOTHING to do with a patch. Also, See my reply above. Let me reiterate, it has NOTHING to do with a patch. SMHOriginally posted by Marbull View PostComment
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Let's all just give up because people like MoreBull says so!! Why try right? This is Oregon. Let's take our ball and go home. That's all MoreBull has to offer on the topic, which is hilarious!
El oh elComment
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Reading comprehension > MoreBullOriginally posted by Unregistered View Post
Competition > MoreBull
Work Ethic > MoreBull
See the pattern?Comment
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