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Jerry Smith's said at an ID camp that they have declined and it's partially his fault because he did not get on the early recruiting band wagon that Stanford, UNC, FL State and the other powers are on. 2019's are going off the board now. Crazy.....crazy. But if you wait around and out about how this is all wrong, all the blue chip players are gone.

JS likes to think he can do what he wants. A half dozen years ago he was making offers to girls that had already committed verbally long before to other programs. He felt that his program and he were so great that you should just break your word and go with him. He is different. What kind of guy marries one of his players?

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JS likes to think he can do what he wants. A half dozen years ago he was making offers to girls that had already committed verbally long before to other programs. He felt that his program and he were so great that you should just break your word and go with him. He is different. What kind of guy marries one of his players?

I think the Duck soccer and volleyball coaches are both partnered with former players. I bet it is fairly common across the U.S.

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I didn't realize the the UofP program was in such rough shape. They need to get on top of this.

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Ouch! 13 wins in the last 2 years? That's down right embarrassing. Something needs to change at UoP.

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Ouch! 13 wins in the last 2 years? That's down right embarrassing. Something needs to change at UoP.

That's 12 more wins than most Timbers Alliance "A" teams!

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That's 12 more wins than most Timbers Alliance "A" teams!

Dear Mr. ECNL,

Are you going to really bring up the total number of wins by TA teams?

I suggest you look at your club's ECNL record first.

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Dear Mr. ECNL,

Are you going to really bring up the total number of wins by TA teams?

I suggest you look at your club's ECNL record first.

LOOOOOOL! Be happy the word win was in a post with TA . You're a joke!

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Jerry Smith's said at an ID camp that they have declined and it's partially his fault because he did not get on the early recruiting band wagon that Stanford, UNC, FL State and the other powers are on. 2019's are going off the board now. Crazy.....crazy. But if you wait around and out about how this is all wrong, all the blue chip players are gone.

Another thing to consider, especially on the West Coast, is that 10 years ago, if you played soccer and wanted to be on the West Coast, then you wanted to be at a Santa Clara, UP, etc., all the WCC schools who did not have football put their money into their soccer programs and facilities. Go to those schools and you are really apart of something special! Then, some of the PAC-12 programs looked like the red-headed step children of the athletic departments as far as facilities go. Now the PAC12 has put just as much attention and money into their soccer facilities/stadiums/have the PAC12 network as their other facilities/sports. Also with recent NCAA changes, PAC12 athletes (BIG12, BIG10, ACC, SEC too) also get guaranteed 4 year scholarships, unlimited food and cost of attendance stipends above tuition, books and room/board (at their agreed upon percentage, of course). WCC schools do not have the funding to compete. While the WCC used to be one of the top soccer conferences, and the best in the West, the PAC12 now is by far the most competitive conference in the West. And for those kids that would of previously gone to WCC for the academics, there are still some amazing academic schools for those kids motivated by that, like Stanford, California, UCLA, USC and Washington, out of the 12, and then there is the big budget/big athletics at all the schools. The college soccer game has evolved and even GS will tell you that they can not compete with the advantages the power 65 schools can now offer their athletes with recent rule changes. As well as the big schools scooping up the kids so early. Some of the PAC 12 schools already have 3, 4, 5, and even 6 2018s committed, and at least one has a 2019. While top kids used to go to ACC on the East Coast and WCC on the West Coast, now those top 25-50 kids per class that want west coast, most of them are spread out through the PAC12 and just a few sprinkled in the WCC. It is affecting all the WCC programs, not just UP.

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I didn't realize the the UofP program was in such rough shape. They need to get on top of this.

Not sure if it will turn around any time soon.

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Another thing to consider, especially on the West Coast, is that 10 years ago, if you played soccer and wanted to be on the West Coast, then you wanted to be at a Santa Clara, UP, etc., all the WCC schools who did not have football put their money into their soccer programs and facilities. Go to those schools and you are really apart of something special! Then, some of the PAC-12 programs looked like the red-headed step children of the athletic departments as far as facilities go. Now the PAC12 has put just as much attention and money into their soccer facilities/stadiums/have the PAC12 network as their other facilities/sports. Also with recent NCAA changes, PAC12 athletes (BIG12, BIG10, ACC, SEC too) also get guaranteed 4 year scholarships, unlimited food and cost of attendance stipends above tuition, books and room/board (at their agreed upon percentage, of course). WCC schools do not have the funding to compete. While the WCC used to be one of the top soccer conferences, and the best in the West, the PAC12 now is by far the most competitive conference in the West. And for those kids that would of previously gone to WCC for the academics, there are still some amazing academic schools for those kids motivated by that, like Stanford, California, UCLA, USC and Washington, out of the 12, and then there is the big budget/big athletics at all the schools. The college soccer game has evolved and even GS will tell you that they can not compete with the advantages the power 65 schools can now offer their athletes with recent rule changes. As well as the big schools scooping up the kids so early. Some of the PAC 12 schools already have 3, 4, 5, and even 6 2018s committed, and at least one has a 2019. While top kids used to go to ACC on the East Coast and WCC on the West Coast, now those top 25-50 kids per class that want west coast, most of them are spread out through the PAC12 and just a few sprinkled in the WCC. It is affecting all the WCC programs, not just UP.

This makes a lot of sense and rings true.

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Not really.

Another thing to consider, especially on the West Coast, is that 10 years ago, if you played soccer and wanted to be on the West Coast, then you wanted to be at a Santa Clara, UP, etc., all the WCC schools who did not have football put their money into their soccer programs and facilities. Go to those schools and you are really apart of something special! Then, some of the PAC-12 programs looked like the red-headed step children of the athletic departments as far as facilities go. Now the PAC12 has put just as much attention and money into their soccer facilities/stadiums/have the PAC12 network as their other facilities/sports. Also with recent NCAA changes, PAC12 athletes (BIG12, BIG10, ACC, SEC too) also get guaranteed 4 year scholarships, unlimited food and cost of attendance stipends above tuition, books and room/board (at their agreed upon percentage, of course). WCC schools do not have the funding to compete. While the WCC used to be one of the top soccer conferences, and the best in the West, the PAC12 now is by far the most competitive conference in the West. And for those kids that would of previously gone to WCC for the academics, there are still some amazing academic schools for those kids motivated by that, like Stanford, California, UCLA, USC and Washington, out of the 12, and then there is the big budget/big athletics at all the schools. The college soccer game has evolved and even GS will tell you that they can not compete with the advantages the power 65 schools can now offer their athletes with recent rule changes. As well as the big schools scooping up the kids so early. Some of the PAC 12 schools already have 3, 4, 5, and even 6 2018s committed, and at least one has a 2019. While top kids used to go to ACC on the East Coast and WCC on the West Coast, now those top 25-50 kids per class that want west coast, most of them are spread out through the PAC12 and just a few sprinkled in the WCC. It is affecting all the WCC programs, not just UP.

Ten years ago women's soccer players were not clamoring to go to WCC schools. Poor facilities, most of which are still with us today. Either athletic or academic scholarships, but not both, at WCC schools often made their inflated cost of attendance unreachable. Did you know that UO and OSU have Honors colleges that easily match Cal, UCLA or UW regular programs? Probably not. Players go to PAC-12 for the competition and the schools. The WCC needs college sports programs like UP used to have in women's soccer and Gonzaga has in men's basketball. Meanwhile, the WCC is simply being left behind. Do you even know that the once dream field at UP would not be allowed by the NCAA D-1 standards of today? Too small for adequate field size and sideline areas.

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Another thing to consider, especially on the West Coast, is that 10 years ago, if you played soccer and wanted to be on the West Coast, then you wanted to be at a Santa Clara, UP, etc., all the WCC schools who did not have football put their money into their soccer programs and facilities. Go to those schools and you are really apart of something special! Then, some of the PAC-12 programs looked like the red-headed step children of the athletic departments as far as facilities go. Now the PAC12 has put just as much attention and money into their soccer facilities/stadiums/have the PAC12 network as their other facilities/sports. Also with recent NCAA changes, PAC12 athletes (BIG12, BIG10, ACC, SEC too) also get guaranteed 4 year scholarships, unlimited food and cost of attendance stipends above tuition, books and room/board (at their agreed upon percentage, of course). WCC schools do not have the funding to compete. While the WCC used to be one of the top soccer conferences, and the best in the West, the PAC12 now is by far the most competitive conference in the West. And for those kids that would of previously gone to WCC for the academics, there are still some amazing academic schools for those kids motivated by that, like Stanford, California, UCLA, USC and Washington, out of the 12, and then there is the big budget/big athletics at all the schools. The college soccer game has evolved and even GS will tell you that they can not compete with the advantages the power 65 schools can now offer their athletes with recent rule changes. As well as the big schools scooping up the kids so early. Some of the PAC 12 schools already have 3, 4, 5, and even 6 2018s committed, and at least one has a 2019. While top kids used to go to ACC on the East Coast and WCC on the West Coast, now those top 25-50 kids per class that want west coast, most of them are spread out through the PAC12 and just a few sprinkled in the WCC. It is affecting all the WCC programs, not just UP.

BYU is ranked #10 and Santa Clara is #14

Are they just better coached since they are now getting less 25-50 kids per class?

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BYU is ranked #10 and Santa Clara is #14

Are they just better coached since they are now getting less 25-50 kids per class?

Well they typically only get 5-6. And that was not the point. In UPs hay day, top players were not as drawn to PAC12, now they are. BYU definitely has their own recruiting pool. The point was that the WCC has more competition on the west coast now for talent not that they don't get any.

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If the pac12 has so muchrecruiting pull, why are the Ducks so bad?

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Of course we don't have 2005 stats to compare. But I think this argument in recruiting power has statistical evidence. I did not look at all 450 top ranked college commits, but just the top 50 in each of the 2015, 2016, and 2017 classes. Which comprises of the top 150 sought after recruits for those three years.

A few notes on D1 soccer. Most D1 schools are not on the West Coast, over 2/3rds. And if you look at the conferences that has multiple power houses in it, that is only the WCC and the PAC12 on the west coast. One would expect a top ranked recruit if playing on the West Coast to pick one of those two conferences.

2015 - 50/50 top ranked recruits committed (nationally ranked)
Playing on west coast - 14
PAC12- 11
WCC - 3 (BYU -1, UP-1, Pepperdine-1)
Other conferences on west coast - 0

2016-49/50 top ranked recruits committed
Playing on west coast - 19
PAC 12- 17
WCC-2 (both Santa Clara)
Other conferences - 0

2017-45/50 top ranked recruits committed
Playing on west coast - 17
PAC12- 14
WCC-2 (both Santa Clara)
Other conferences - 1 WAC (Seattle)

The PAC 12 getting the most were UCLA, Stanford and USC. However Washington, California, Colorado, Washington State and Utah also had some as well.