Shift to Jan. 1 cutoff next year or year after?

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I personnel think US Soccer is screwing up the entire development system for boys and girls soccer. The creation of DAP is all smoke and mirrors because only 0.001% of players will make the NT. It is just a money grab for these clubs that missed the boat on US Club Soccer Leagues. They get soccerwire to publish an article saying it will the top league in the country and all other leagues especially the ECNL which has been producing high level college and NT players for multiple of years. USYSA is upset and is now working with US Soccer to help put them back on the map. What is going to happen to DAP now if the only way to get to the NT is through a DAP club. I think if US Club Soccer should change their leagues to school grades and not go with the new age group change proposed by US Soccer. I think like 99.99% of parents would play in these leagues due to being what the greater population wants out of playing clubs soccer, college scholarships. Let the NT coaches go to the DAP programs and College coaches go to everything else. You will see who wins this war.
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http://therecruitingcode.com/u-s-soc...aks-the-glass/

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http://therecruitingcode.com/u-s-soc...aks-the-glass/

Good read, I hope US soccer reads it and listens.

This quote "U.S. Soccer has not made a more level playing field for players, they just shifted who is disadvantaged." has been what I have been saying all along, and not only does it switch who, before it was more balanced with the ODP/us soccer trainings being birth year already giving Jan-July kids an advantage in that area while the Aug-dec kids the club advantage now you put both dis-advantages on the Aug-dec kids.

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Good read, I hope US soccer reads it and listens.

This quote "U.S. Soccer has not made a more level playing field for players, they just shifted who is disadvantaged." has been what I have been saying all along, and not only does it switch who, before it was more balanced with the ODP/us soccer trainings being birth year already giving Jan-July kids an advantage in that area while the Aug-dec kids the club advantage now you put both dis-advantages on the Aug-dec kids.

It seems many of these kids are disadvantaged in a third way you failed to mention. Judging by their parents comments, they are genetically predisposed to whining.

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02s for this Fall

Has there been any decisions made on what the league is going to do with 8th grade 02s this Fall? Will they sit on their hands until Winter waiting for their freshman partners to be done with HS? Will they play in smaller 02 Fall league? Be exempt to play in 03 league?

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Has there been any decisions made on what the league is going to do with 8th grade 02s this Fall? Will they sit on their hands until Winter waiting for their freshman partners to be done with HS? Will they play in smaller 02 Fall league? Be exempt to play in 03 league?

OYSA has no clue. In WA it's been "leaked" that 02's will not have a fall league.

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OYSA has no clue. In WA it's been "leaked" that 02's will not have a fall league.

I also heard a "leak" that colleges are going to shut down recruiting operations for the year that your daughter graduates. They will resume as normal the following year for the other kids that aren't your daughter. Sorry about that.

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I also heard a "leak" that colleges are going to shut down recruiting operations for the year that your daughter graduates. They will resume as normal the following year for the other kids that aren't your daughter. Sorry about that.

Not a problem as she's not planning to play in college anyway, just like your DD and the other 99% of girls in Oregon.

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Not a problem as she's not planning to play in college anyway, just like your DD and the other 99% of girls in Oregon.

snappy come back. I like it :)

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Has there been any decisions made on what the league is going to do with 8th grade 02s this Fall? Will they sit on their hands until Winter waiting for their freshman partners to be done with HS? Will they play in smaller 02 Fall league? Be exempt to play in 03 league?

There's been rumors that these kids will be allowed to play down in the fall. Same for older HS kids who get stuck with no team senior year. But it's all rumors., nothing concrete yet. But it does seem that the folks in charge have been made very aware of the mess they created because they didn't think it all through. Hopefully they go with the easy fix, but it really is easy

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I agree that the RAE is only shifting, not going away. But that shift could be justified in the sense that our RAE advantaged kids will now be the same age as our international competitions RAE advantaged kids instead of ours being 7 months younger. I get that to a certain extent even though no one has come out and said it. In short, US Soccer is telling us that they want the Jan-Mar kids and have little or no use for the Oct-Dec kids unless they manage to excel despite an RAE disadvantage. Not a big deal in my book as this is the nature of all youth sports.

The big issue as the article states is in the transition to high school the team demographics will flip from being mostly 8th graders and some 9th graders to mostly 9th graders and some 8th graders which will cause many of these late year 8th graders to miss a season of soccer at U15. But again, this is consistent with US Soccer's vision of promoting the Jan-Mar kids. They are willing to sacrifice those late year kids to have the RAE benefit the Jan-Mar kids.

Same thing goes with kids in their senior year of high school. They don't care if those late year kids have no club team or have to scramble to get find another club team as theirs folds. They have already dismissed these kids as irrelevant due to their late year birth. And furthermore, if they haven't excelled and gotten on the radar of the national teams, in which case they wouldn't be playing club ball in the first place, than they really don't matter to US Soccer no matter what month they were born in.

So from a US Soccer point of view, your kids are expendable to their grander vision of international play. That's fine and all, but they purport to represent and provide structure for all soccer players in this country, not just the super-elite. And in that mission they are failing with these age group changes.

I personally wish that AYSO and/or one of the other major soccer organizations split off from US Soccer and keep grade based age groups (at least as best they can) so that the vast majority of players in this country who play largely for fun and at most have aspirations to play some soccer in college (who are also effectively grade based) can do their own thing and let US Soccer have fun on their own with their fanatical quest.

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There's been rumors that these kids will be allowed to play down in the fall. Same for older HS kids who get stuck with no team senior year. But it's all rumors., nothing concrete yet. But it does seem that the folks in charge have been made very aware of the mess they created because they didn't think it all through. Hopefully they go with the easy fix, but it really is easy

It's not really an easy fix because the vast majority of clubs in this country don't have teams in every age group. In a large number of cases there will be no team to play "down" with in their own club. And switching clubs just for one season isn't practical for 8th graders (though for seniors I agree that works).

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It's not really an easy fix because the vast majority of clubs in this country don't have teams in every age group. In a large number of cases there will be no team to play "down" with in their own club. And switching clubs just for one season isn't practical for 8th graders (though for seniors I agree that works).

Well, if there is no 03 club to "play down to" then the 8th grade 02s wouldn't have been left without a team anyway as they would be playing down to their old team, so it means they would have been playing up with a merged 01 team in the 1st place and there is no issue.

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So from a US Soccer point of view, your kids are expendable to their grander vision of international play. That's fine and all, but they purport to represent and provide structure for all soccer players in this country, not just the super-elite. And in that mission they are failing with these age group changes.

I personally wish that AYSO and/or one of the other major soccer organizations split off from US Soccer and keep grade based age groups (at least as best they can) so that the vast majority of players in this country who play largely for fun and at most have aspirations to play some soccer in college (who are also effectively grade based) can do their own thing and let US Soccer have fun on their own with their fanatical quest.

The fanatical quest always starts with rec players who learn they love the game. Unless you're from a small town, a soccer kid will rarely have the same teammates year over year from 5th grade to high school under any age bracketing. It's ridiculous to say they won't enjoy playing with kids outside of their classroom. Every other country does it, and they seem to keep attracting more and more kids.

The RAE alignment is necessary in the fanatical quest for no other reason than the current system isn't providing level of success a country of our size should be achieving. Before you start waiving the women's world cup success around consider that the vast majority (70%) of all female soccer players in the world are American. With that numbers advantage the women's national team should be winning by 5 goals every game. They're not, so they have some room for improvement as well before the rest of the world catches up and passes them.

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Why all top CA teams are going 100% birth year despite chemistry

@folsomsoccermom - I think chemistry can be a factor but it does not replace individual size, athleticism, speed, knowledge of the game. You are correct that Freshman can make HS varsity squads - boys and girls though possibly a tilt toward to the girls - but the strongest programs' varsity squads (especially starters) are almost always made up of Juniors and Seniors, even if the more technically skilled kids are the Freshman and Sophomores. Further, if it was as physically equal as you are suggesting, I think Mallory Pugh would not be the first HS player on the Senior squad since 2004 - I doubt there'd ever be large #s but it would not be as rare as it is.

A good team that wants to play up can still have "successful" results (in terms of wins) against older teams. But it is folly to think that those same girls will have the same "success" in terms of the exposure that comes in playing in the highest brackets of elite tournaments, in terms of getting that 4th or 5th game in a tournament weekend (6th if we are talking something like Surf Cup), in terms of "ranking points" that might bring scouts to earlier rounds or even a regular season game.

As you know, my daughter's team has played up in NPL (while playing within their age group for ECNL). It has been good for them but their results are not suggestive that they could stick together and continue to play up at ECNL or Champions League levels. And as good as the strong teams they have faced are (and two have stood out), I cannot imagine them playing up with the same level of success. If so, those teams should be dominating pretty much every time they step on the pitch against their age group or younger teams.