Opl dead - lol

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I understand and appreciate your concerns. But unfortunately at this point those are your options.

This was one of the changes the OPL made. I'm not advocating for the OPL but they did make that change which was an improvement for the vast majority of players. It was not for those living in Medford.

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This was one of the changes the OPL made. I'm not advocating for the OPL but they did make that change which was an improvement for the vast majority of players. It was not for those living in Medford.

If Medford doesn't like maybe they should start their own league where all games are played down there. You choose where you live and what you participate in. Don't expect others to bend over backwards just because you want to play in their sandbox.

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In modern day Oregon you are forced travel in order to play any matches.

Why?

The extinction of our state's successful talent centrist teams model at the club level-- to a mass pay to play model--driven by the demand of meeting payroll each month for the 25+ (so called) premier clubs & their 'professional' coaching staff, without any regard for assembling talented well coached teams, all they need nowadays is a blind eye paying audience. (They have it)

So instead of having a few really talented teams separated from the pack--now you have 10 to 15 teams in the area at each age group, that are all classic/rec plus level clubs/teams and somehow they call themselves Premier clubs, with not an eyebrow raised from the paying mob of imbecile parents.

The club teams of today don't have one state league to play competitive games in against similar teams, so they are forced to travel all over the Northwest and to out of state tournaments just to get games.

Mainly due to the split of teams into two crap ball leagues at present.


Understanding the reality that average classic rec + teams are the staple of Oreogn youth soccer & now they all have year round paid professional (LoL) coaches who are depending on your fees to support their hobby as a local rec+ classic coach.

Then if you have a daughter you are forced to travel at 3 local clubs not because Oregon is hotbed of super teams that hammer everyone in state. Basically those 3 clubs ran out of ideas on how to improve the game in Oregon. The option they chose at a club level for their membership? why not just have the parents spend a fortune travelling for the hell of it and please enjoy the trips as you get your tails whipped by any team of any merit in another state or tell yourself that the scenic beauty of Idaho & Utah is worth the money and these destinations serve as the only chance to ever win a game.

You missed the point there is no competitive soccer in Oregon, so you asked the right Question why travel?

To escape I guess.

let me help rephrase what you first said:

In the modern day country if you want to play any sort of competition you need to travel.
It's what happens all over

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let me help rephrase what you first said:

In the modern day country if you want to play any sort of competition you need to travel.
It's what happens all over

This is because the talent is consolidating earlier and earlier at just a few clubs in the state. Beyond U12 or U13 the top 3 clubs (WT, Crossfire, FCP) have almost no competition in Oregon.

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let me help rephrase what you first said:

In the modern day country if you want to play any sort of competition you need to travel.
It's what happens all over

Or simply put Oregon self destructed it's local leagues, kept average teams together to ensure monthly coaching wages. They aren't traveling to get competition as most are getting smacked out of state. The blew up their own state and had to flee elsewhere.

Now they have to pay an additional travel fee just to GET GAMES.

Nice

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In modern day Oregon you are forced travel in order to play any matches.

Why?

The extinction of our state's successful talent centrist teams model at the club level-- to a mass pay to play model--driven by the demand of meeting payroll each month for the 25+ (so called) premier clubs & their 'professional' coaching staff, without any regard for assembling talented well coached teams, all they need nowadays is a blind eye paying audience. (They have it)

So instead of having a few really talented teams separated from the pack--now you have 10 to 15 teams in the area at each age group, that are all classic/rec plus level clubs/teams and somehow they call themselves Premier clubs, with not an eyebrow raised from the paying mob of imbecile parents.

The club teams of today don't have one state league to play competitive games in against similar teams, so they are forced to travel all over the Northwest and to out of state tournaments just to get games.

Mainly due to the split of teams into two crap ball leagues at present.


Understanding the reality that average classic rec + teams are the staple of Oreogn youth soccer & now they all have year round paid professional (LoL) coaches who are depending on your fees to support their hobby as a local rec+ classic coach.

Then if you have a daughter you are forced to travel at 3 local clubs not because Oregon is hotbed of super teams that hammer everyone in state. Basically those 3 clubs ran out of ideas on how to improve the game in Oregon. The option they chose at a club level for their membership? why not just have the parents spend a fortune travelling for the hell of it and please enjoy the trips as you get your tails whipped by any team of any merit in another state or tell yourself that the scenic beauty of Idaho & Utah is worth the money and these destinations serve as the only chance to ever win a game.

You missed the point there is no competitive soccer in Oregon, so you asked the right Question why travel?

To escape I guess.

Honestly you took some of my sentences out of context so I am guessing that you missed MY point. There is not much travel at the lower levels so you should be good. In a small metropolitan area if you play at a high level then travel is the only option. Give it a try and you might be surprised. Competition exists if you are willing to find it.

Or, sit here and whine and blame OYSA

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This is because the talent is consolidating earlier and earlier at just a few clubs in the state. Beyond U12 or U13 the top 3 clubs (WT, Crossfire, FCP) have almost no competition in Oregon.

Boys side of things:

WT are the bench mark for high quality even in these times of parity.

Sorry Crossfire LOSC/SSC/WUSC are not relevant as a group that has any state or regional level teams of top merit. Just a whole bunch of coaches that need to get paid and combining the teams from these clubs does help that cause. Many b & c teams that are recreational level paying for coaching.

FC PDX is trying to stay in the fight. But it's tough.

The standard now is BSC, HSC, PCU, THUSC, WT T/S, ESU, Washington Timbers, NEU, THELO, Rose City, Aloha United, La Amistad and the others of this mediocre ilk.

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Boys side of things:

WT are the bench mark for high quality even in these times of parity.

Sorry Crossfire LOSC/SSC/WUSC are not relevant as a group that has any state or regional level teams of top merit. Just a whole bunch of coaches that need to get paid and combining the teams from these clubs does help that cause. Many b & c teams that are recreational level paying for coaching.

FC PDX is trying to stay in the fight. But it's tough.

The standard now is BSC, HSC, PCU, THUSC, WT T/S, ESU, Washington Timbers, NEU, THELO, Rose City, Aloha United, La Amistad and the others of this mediocre ilk.

If the benchmark is winning state cups then yes WT is the benchmark. If quality style of soccer is the benchmark then WT does not even come close. Besides, WT is in financial trouble right now. Their scholarship model is killing them.

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It's not that simple...I don't mind traveling 2 hours for a game, but it's 600+ miles and 9-10hours round trip to Medford (and sometimes an overnight stay). I have yet to speak to a single parent that doesn't have a problem with this for a regular league game at our level of play. Are you saying we all just need to play rec because we think this is unreasonable?

P.S. sorry Medford parents, nothing personal, I'm sure you don't like traveling that far to us either.

We make the trips to Medford and Bend enjoyable by trying to car pool or by making them weekend get a ways for the family, if possible. Do I really like driving that far for a game? No. But the positives are it gets us into the car where we actually talk as a family vs. snippets of conversations we normally have due to busy schedules. And it's not as if Oregon sucks for scenery. I'd prefer to not have to drive to these places, but since we do, we try to look at the positives to make the trip enjoyable.

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If the benchmark is winning state cups then yes WT is the benchmark. If quality style of soccer is the benchmark then WT does not even come close. Besides, WT is in financial trouble right now. Their scholarship model is killing them.

Your logic is spot on. Since the most dominant and honored club (by miles from the pack) doesn't even come close to your opinion quality style soccer being played, Oregon must be in worst shape than anyone ever imagined.

Profound insight.

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Digest what you read, reflect and realize

Honestly you took some of my sentences out of context so I am guessing that you missed MY point. There is not much travel at the lower levels so you should be good. In a small metropolitan area if you play at a high level then travel is the only option. Give it a try and you might be surprised. Competition exists if you are willing to find it.

Or, sit here and whine and blame OYSA

Everything in Oregon has become a lower level. Parity rules the day due to bigger forces based on clubs paying for overhead.

If the talent was consolidated in the small metro area then travel would be an option for a handful of teams that might have as shot of being regionally or nationally competitive teams.

What clubs or teams in this state need to travel to get competitive games?

Currently only the Westside club could make that argument based on performances vs the rest of the state..and posters on the forum say they aren't even quality.

Competitive games are here in Oregon for nearly all the teams.

Give it try.

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Everything in Oregon has become a lower level. Parity rules the day due to bigger forces based on clubs paying for overhead.

If the talent was consolidated in the small metro area then travel would be an option for a handful of teams that might have as shot of being regionally or nationally competitive teams.

What clubs or teams in this state need to travel to get competitive games?

Currently only the Westside club could make that argument based on performances vs the rest of the state..and posters on the forum say they aren't even quality.

Competitive games are here in Oregon for nearly all the teams.

Give it try.

If your idea of competitive is a team that would win the regional or national championship then you have eliminated 95% of all "competitive" teams across the country. I do not like where youth soccer is heading, but it isn't simply an Oregon thing. It is a money grab.

Even so, I take issue with your definition of competitive. It seems to indicate that everyone should give up. Unlike you, I think competitive players do exist in Oregon but they have to adapt to whatever model of soccer is available. Perhaps not ideal, but in my life nothing ever is.

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Did OPL really fold? I guess the oysa people were right.??

right about what?? That OYSA is more competetive?? Now we get to actually see about that. I can't wait.

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Everything in Oregon has become a lower level. Parity rules the day due to bigger forces based on clubs paying for overhead.

If the talent was consolidated in the small metro area then travel would be an option for a handful of teams that might have as shot of being regionally or nationally competitive teams.

What clubs or teams in this state need to travel to get competitive games?

Currently only the Westside club could make that argument based on performances vs the rest of the state..and posters on the forum say they aren't even quality.

Competitive games are here in Oregon for nearly all the teams.

Give it try.

I don't disagree. As far as I can tell most teams within the OYSA model are not required to travel outside of Oregon unless they want to do tournaments.

Personally I don't think that Oregon will be able to consistently staff high level teams due to the lack of consolidation of talent. Even so, I don't believe this is a real problem for most. Out of all my children, only one was not able to obtain the desired level of competition in Oregon after ODP took a dive. For us that meant traveling outside of state to roster on a truly competitive team (incidentally, that team did not win a regional or national title but was able to play among the best teams for the age group without ever once getting stomped). For us the best was ODP and it got better when my child made the regional team and national pool. That is difficult to replicate while playing in Oregon these days. I don't know what the answer is but I don't believe it to be a OYSA problem rather a too many soccer club problem.

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Don't expect others to bend over backwards just because you want to play in their sandbox.

This was part of the OPL problem was they asked (required) everyone to come to them…and then claimed to be better then teams they weren't willing got play.