Oregon D1 soccer, not a good year

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I am fairly certain that Bella had several offers that were attractive. Some people think that an offer at OSU or UO is for second tier players and they are wrong. Many of these kids received multiple PAC 12 and even other conference offers. The fact that they want to go to college close to home is indicative of their ties to their family or maybe even a tradition at the school. There is nothing wrong with that. Not everyone wants to move to the East Coast and not everyone is wired to go to Stanford even when they may have a perfect grade point with honors classes.

My dd grew up thinking she wanted to play for a PAC 12 team, was recruited by a few of them as well as many other great programs, but in the end she accepted an amazing offer from a D1 school she fell in love with not only for the soccer program more importantly for the school itself, small class size and athlete graduation rate, the beautiful city great weather and family tradition. Funny how priorities change as the girls mature. Proud of her and all the girls who stay true to themselves and look at life beyond soccer. Can't wait till signing day :)

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You are really new to this aren't you. Every top school has 2-5 commits already.

That were recruited during prior to season starting or had offers but decided during college season to accept. So playing in the fall really isn't that much of a benefit for being seen but more for the training & being able to come out ready to crush teams waiting until 2 weeks before competition starts to practice.

Sept-Nov really isn't a hot time for being looked at by college coaches unless it's a convenient game to drop by and watch. A college coach isn't going to go fly off & leave their team in mid season to watch a recruit.

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Reality Check

Lets do the math. Top 20 D1 programs recruit on "average" 4 players a year for a total of 80 players. There are about 10 Top D2 programs that recruit equally talented players that choose that level for various reasons for 40 more players and a total of 120 players.

Now for those that want to dog Oregon soccer as your self how many kids from population centers of 3.5 million place one of their players in that group of 120?

Hint, No single club or area operates like the SEC does for pro football. Look over the home town's of the players and you will see they are scattered all over the country. The only pattern that is emerging is that more and more of them are having ECNL on their resume's but even then they are scattered all over the map.

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True, actually none. We played against two of the girls who are going there. They are both from California. And they already have one committ for their 2017 class. Where are the Onyx girls with their offers?

My niece who is a 2016 grad just committed to Colorado last week. Damn I thought all the PAC 12 offers had been taken for all of the 2016s and most of the 17s. BTW she plays HS soccer in the Fall

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Real Reality Check

Lets do the math. Top 20 D1 programs recruit on "average" 4 players a year for a total of 80 players. There are about 10 Top D2 programs that recruit equally talented players that choose that level for various reasons for 40 more players and a total of 120 players.

Now for those that want to dog Oregon soccer as your self how many kids from population centers of 3.5 million place one of their players in that group of 120?

Hint, No single club or area operates like the SEC does for pro football. Look over the home town's of the players and you will see they are scattered all over the country. The only pattern that is emerging is that more and more of them are having ECNL on their resume's but even then they are scattered all over the map.

If you actually knew anything about college soccer you would instantly realize that recruiting 4 players a year every year for the 4 years of eligibility would give a roster of just 16 players. Never happens, of course. The real number is closer to 7 per year average. Sometimes more, sometimes less depending upon need. Programs carry 22 to 30 players on their rosters. Recruits for Top 20 teams is probably too limiting as teams go in and out of the Top 50 over very short periods of time. The Top 50 make it to post season tournament play. With Oregon's approximate 1% of the population, (including Canada), 50 x 7 = 350, 1% of 350 equals 3 or 4 women going to Top 50 teams each year. Oregon actually does a little better than this most years. Now, these are real numbers, not guesses.

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Better numbers but missed the point

If you actually knew anything about college soccer you would instantly realize that recruiting 4 players a year every year for the 4 years of eligibility would give a roster of just 16 players. Never happens, of course. The real number is closer to 7 per year average. Sometimes more, sometimes less depending upon need. Programs carry 22 to 30 players on their rosters. Recruits for Top 20 teams is probably too limiting as teams go in and out of the Top 50 over very short periods of time. The Top 50 make it to post season tournament play. With Oregon's approximate 1% of the population, (including Canada), 50 x 7 = 350, 1% of 350 equals 3 or 4 women going to Top 50 teams each year. Oregon actually does a little better than this most years. Now, these are real numbers, not guesses.

Yes the number is probably 6 a year but you missed the point I was making. I was pointing out the fallacy of dogging Oregon soccer because we don't send 3 or 4 girls to the perennial top 30 programs every year when in reality only one or two clubs in the entire country do that. Which means that if you buy the story the haters is selling 90% of the areas in the US with a 3.5 million population should feel the same inadequacies.

We are on the same page though I get an F on the math.

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Yes the number is probably 6 a year but you missed the point I was making. I was pointing out the fallacy of dogging Oregon soccer because we don't send 3 or 4 girls to the perennial top 30 programs every year when in reality only one or two clubs in the entire country do that. Which means that if you buy the story the haters is selling 90% of the areas in the US with a 3.5 million population should feel the same inadequacies.

We are on the same page though I get an F on the math.

Thank you for pointing this out.. I was about to do the same. Very few states put tons of kids in "top" college programs. At one point Stanford had 2 girls from Oregon which certainly raised the percentage to other states. Now they do not have 1, but neither does 90% of the country.

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Yes the number is probably 6 a year but you missed the point I was making. I was pointing out the fallacy of dogging Oregon soccer because we don't send 3 or 4 girls to the perennial top 30 programs every year when in reality only one or two clubs in the entire country do that. Which means that if you buy the story the haters is selling 90% of the areas in the US with a 3.5 million population should feel the same inadequacies.

We are on the same page though I get an F on the math.

I don't think that this mythical top 30 is the right measure. I think you have to look at sending kids to the Big 5 conferences: Pac 12, ACC, Big 12, Big 10 and SEC. You can also probably add the WCC, but the reality is only 4, probably now 3, schools from that conference mean a lot. These "top 30" programs, all compete basically in those conferences and every team in those conferences are going after top players so that they can compete. NC State for example isn't going to just conceded every year that they aren't going to be as good as UNC. Each year they have a goal of being as good as UNC and to do that, they have to recruit well. Oregon's goal is to move into the top 8 and then the top 5 of the conference, but their ultimate goal is to finish #1 in the Pac 12. Therefore, when you look at success, you really should look at the 62 teams that make up the Big 5 conferences along with maybe BYU, Pepperdine and Santa Clara.

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I don't think that this mythical top 30 is the right measure. I think you have to look at sending kids to the Big 5 conferences: Pac 12, ACC, Big 12, Big 10 and SEC. You can also probably add the WCC, but the reality is only 4, probably now 3, schools from that conference mean a lot. These "top 30" programs, all compete basically in those conferences and every team in those conferences are going after top players so that they can compete. NC State for example isn't going to just conceded every year that they aren't going to be as good as UNC. Each year they have a goal of being as good as UNC and to do that, they have to recruit well. Oregon's goal is to move into the top 8 and then the top 5 of the conference, but their ultimate goal is to finish #1 in the Pac 12. Therefore, when you look at success, you really should look at the 62 teams that make up the Big 5 conferences along with maybe BYU, Pepperdine and Santa Clara.

Must be a Mormon eh? Leave out the beloved Catholics of the U of P in favor of BYU? Not a chance.

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Must be a Mormon eh? Leave out the beloved Catholics of the U of P in favor of BYU? Not a chance.

When they start doing something in the tournament, or for that matter, go back to the tournament, I will include them.

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D1 soocer in oregon this year took big hits, cant think of any high lights

I think its fair to say that OSU needs to say bye to Linus, good run buh bye. Change is good.

UO Kat is not the coach needed there. Horrid decisions all year. How do you not make changes when you get out shout 46-8 in 2 games or play your favorite player when you are down 5 against UCLA, a smart coach subs your star players out to let others get experience and prevent injury to your weak plans A single lucky goal is not going to give a moral boost. Without a change hear results will be the same,shame.


UP, G Smith has a lot to work with, this is a young team and look for improvement next year. Best sporting value in PDX. Timbers sxxx.

PSU best D1 this year in Oregon, thumbs up Laura.

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D1 soocer in oregon this year took big hits, cant think of any high lights

I think its fair to say that OSU needs to say bye to Linus, good run buh bye. Change is good.

UO Kat is not the coach needed there. Horrid decisions all year. How do you not make changes when you get out shout 46-8 in 2 games or play your favorite player when you are down 5 against UCLA, a smart coach subs your star players out to let others get experience and prevent injury to your weak plans A single lucky goal is not going to give a moral boost. Without a change hear results will be the same,shame.


UP, G Smith has a lot to work with, this is a young team and look for improvement next year. Best sporting value in PDX. Timbers sxxx.

PSU best D1 this year in Oregon, thumbs up Laura.

Gs can't coach his way out of a box. He can recruit but doesn't know how to get results. UP is deteriorating because of it. They need new people in there. This is something that you don't need a lot of intelligence to figure out. Could sell a used car to a billionaire but can't teach em how to drive it?

Kat had a hard job and I'd expect it to be tough but it was way worse than it should be.

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On the men's side, Oregon State's Jordan Jones made the TDS Team of the Week

Link: http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/colle...v-3-9_aid35362

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Gs can't coach his way out of a box. He can recruit but doesn't know how to get results. UP is deteriorating because of it. They need new people in there. This is something that you don't need a lot of intelligence to figure out. Could sell a used car to a billionaire but can't teach em how to drive it?

Kat had a hard job and I'd expect it to be tough but it was way worse than it should be.

GS can recruit? I would think just the opposite. Take a look at the girls choosing to go to UP.

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Rpi

Current RPI Division 1 Women's soccer out of 332 schools.

PAC-12 - All but Oregon State ended up in the top 25% . Heck of a conference

1 - Stanford
2 - UCLA (??)
15 - Washington
20 - Washington State
24 - California
30 - Arizona
33 - Arizona State
36 - Colorado
39 - Southern California
72 - Utah
74 - Oregon
224 - Oregon State

West Coast :
105 - Portland Top 33%
Big Sky
137 - Portland State Top 50%

It could be a lot worse.