U11,u12,u13 playing time

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Moving down to the "B" team can be the end of the line at many clubs that don't move players up/down on a regular basis. You get labelled as a "B" team player and get passed over for the new talent that shows up at tryouts each spring, deservedly or not. Better to find a club that actually moves kids up/down every week so you don't get stuck either sitting on the "A" team bench or playing "B" forever.

Playing time is important for all the kids. You should reward those that are putting in the extra effort, making every practice, and playing at the highest level. The biggest issue to PT for me is the size of the rosters. I have seen 15 kids on the roster for a 9v9 game. That makes equalizing PT with competing difficult. They should carry 11-12 to each game, making 45 minutes a reality for each kid.

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Playing time is important for all the kids. You should reward those that are putting in the extra effort, making every practice, and playing at the highest level. The biggest issue to PT for me is the size of the rosters. I have seen 15 kids on the roster for a 9v9 game. That makes equalizing PT with competing difficult. They should carry 11-12 to each game, making 45 minutes a reality for each kid.

But keep more kids on the practice roster as that is where you learn more and have a chance to prove yourself. Also the great part about academy style...which some folks hate. Gives flexibility to carry fewer kids for game days but still get the kids not picked up onto the B and C teams for game time.

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What is the big deal about the academy style? I think it's great for the bubble players, but that is all.

I have seen a few games now where 5 of the FCP Navy players join the White team (so the White team can get in a win), and leave the full-time white players on the bench. THEN, when the game is over, the Navy players grab their bags and run of to the Navy game.

It looks to me like the Navy players get 2 games in a day, and the white players get to say, "Hey, we won! Too bad I barely played."

That doesn't sound like such an awesome deal to me.

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What is the big deal about the academy style? I think it's great for the bubble players, but that is all.

I have seen a few games now where 5 of the FCP Navy players join the White team (so the White team can get in a win), and leave the full-time white players on the bench. THEN, when the game is over, the Navy players grab their bags and run of to the Navy game.

It looks to me like the Navy players get 2 games in a day, and the white players get to say, "Hey, we won! Too bad I barely played."

That doesn't sound like such an awesome deal to me.

FCP is trying to get wins for their B team by bringing A team players down and limiting the playing time of the usual B squad players? That sounds crazy.

This is how it should be run academy style:

9v9 = 11 players on both the A & B roster
- Practice those 22 players together every time, but run certain drills only A or B (hey those kids did earn their spot)
- Bring up 1 to 2 girls that are deserving to get minutes with the A team to gauge development - playing time slightly less
- Drop 1 or 2 bubble players to the B team to get meaningful minutes in positions they are not exposed to - playing time slightly more

Clarification is 1 player move if there is a full roster available, 2 if missing 1, etc...don't bring 4 girls to make the bench look like 15.

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FCP is trying to get wins for their B team by bringing A team players down and limiting the playing time of the usual B squad players? That sounds crazy.

This is how it should be run academy style:

9v9 = 11 players on both the A & B roster
- Practice those 22 players together every time, but run certain drills only A or B (hey those kids did earn their spot)
- Bring up 1 to 2 girls that are deserving to get minutes with the A team to gauge development - playing time slightly less
- Drop 1 or 2 bubble players to the B team to get meaningful minutes in positions they are not exposed to - playing time slightly more

Clarification is 1 player move if there is a full roster available, 2 if missing 1, etc...don't bring 4 girls to make the bench look like 15.

I like it but it will never happen. Why you ask? Money. Clubs want more money, they get more money by making rosters larger. Then why not have more teams you say? Because most parents believe their kid to be an A team player where they would change clubs if they didn't make it. Taking only 11 means 4 kids aren't chosen...increasing the chance you lose their MONEY all together...whether or not that is their best move for their child.

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Same thing happens at our club with the U12 girls teams. Every game they can, about 5 A-team players play with the B-team. Score a bunch of goals and get wins for the B team. Great for the A players to get 2 games in but bum deal for the B team players. Our club only really cares about developing the A players. Wouldn't mind as much if the B players weren't paying the same $ to develop our kids.

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What is the big deal about the academy style? I think it's great for the bubble players, but that is all.

I have seen a few games now where 5 of the FCP Navy players join the White team (so the White team can get in a win), and leave the full-time white players on the bench. THEN, when the game is over, the Navy players grab their bags and run of to the Navy game.

It looks to me like the Navy players get 2 games in a day, and the white players get to say, "Hey, we won! Too bad I barely played."

That doesn't sound like such an awesome deal to me.

Quintessential FCP! It's pathetic that the parents buy into their marketing BS and want to be associated with a club that only cares about wins and manipulating rosters to achieve the game results they want. They don't develop players, they don't care about the individual players (how many times has the coach actually had a meaningful conversation with your player there?), and their rhetoric about earning your spot on the A team week to week is a load of BS and a façade for justifying their end goal to win games. It's absolutely disgusting what they are doing to the kids, but what's more disgusting is that the parents buy into the marketing BS and can't think for themselves. Do you really think that your kid is going to try out with her teammates for a D1 or D2 program? Absolutely not! Having played D1 myself, I know this not to be true. Think for yourself, go where the coach cares, go where the training is top notch (where the training is not all tactical but balanced with technical), and go where your kid is happy and loving the game.

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Quintessential FCP! It's pathetic that the parents buy into their marketing BS and want to be associated with a club that only cares about wins and manipulating rosters to achieve the game results they want. They don't develop players, they don't care about the individual players (how many times has the coach actually had a meaningful conversation with your player there?), and their rhetoric about earning your spot on the A team week to week is a load of BS and a façade for justifying their end goal to win games. It's absolutely disgusting what they are doing to the kids, but what's more disgusting is that the parents buy into the marketing BS and can't think for themselves. Do you really think that your kid is going to try out with her teammates for a D1 or D2 program? Absolutely not! Having played D1 myself, I know this not to be true. Think for yourself, go where the coach cares, go where the training is top notch (where the training is not all tactical but balanced with technical), and go where your kid is happy and loving the game.

You obviously have no idea how FCP actually operates. The system works and challenges the kids to develop. Much better than the "TA" way...

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This is funny!! I just checked out the U12G first division rankings, and guess who's on top? Good old FCP White! It looks like their are stacking their White B team so they can move up a division for next year. Apparently FCP doesn't think their white team can do it on their own.

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This is funny!! I just checked out the U12G first division rankings, and guess who's on top? Good old FCP White! It looks like their are stacking their White B team so they can move up a division for next year. Apparently FCP doesn't think their white team can do it on their own.

Proof please. Show us the game rosters. Or maybe the White team is just that good...

With your logic every top B team must be using A team players to win, including your club.

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This is funny!! I just checked out the U12G first division rankings, and guess who's on top? Good old FCP White! It looks like their are stacking their White B team so they can move up a division for next year. Apparently FCP doesn't think their white team can do it on their own.

There are rules against this in RCL (You can play players up, but not down) ... looks like OPL and OYSA should take a look at the same thing in order to protect those 'B' team players from getting benched. The message this is sending to those players is pretty sad ... mainly that they aren't good enough to win those games on their own.

In all honesty, the coach should know better ... shame on him if he is doing this just to win games. As a 'B' team coach myself, I would flatly refuse to roster these 'A' team players if they weren't needed for numbers. If they were needed, they would be role players exclusively, not start, and likely play in positions they are least comfortable in (the best way to further their personal development).

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Saw this exact same thing happen this weekend

Proof please. Show us the game rosters. Or maybe the White team is just that good...

With your logic every top B team must be using A team players to win, including your club.

Saw FC PDX do this exact same thing , this last weekend.
FC brought down 2-3 of their ECNL girls to play with the FC Navy team. One of their ECNL girls scored the goal and they won.
I asked my daughter about this and she said "Whatever, if that's the way they feel that they have to beat us, then that's what they will do."

Just frustrating that they do bring their better girls down, or their "A" girls down, to help the weaker teams, just for sake of a win or the victory. That's their Academy system or style. Just seems like a cheap way to get that victory.

Oh well....

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Same thing happens at our club with the U12 girls teams. Every game they can, about 5 A-team players play with the B-team. Score a bunch of goals and get wins for the B team. Great for the A players to get 2 games in but bum deal for the B team players. Our club only really cares about developing the A players. Wouldn't mind as much if the B players weren't paying the same $ to develop our kids.

Just a wild @$s guess = BSC?

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Saw FC PDX do this exact same thing , this last weekend.
FC brought down 2-3 of their ECNL girls to play with the FC Navy team. One of their ECNL girls scored the goal and they won.
I asked my daughter about this and she said "Whatever, if that's the way they feel that they have to beat us, then that's what they will do."

Just frustrating that they do bring their better girls down, or their "A" girls down, to help the weaker teams, just for sake of a win or the victory. That's their Academy system or style. Just seems like a cheap way to get that victory.

Oh well....

they do it to get the wins - make all their teams look better and use that to recruit you over. As parents just don't buy into it or do your home work and don't go to a club that operates this way. Sounds like there's issues on both OPL and OYSA sides of the house

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they do it to get the wins - make all their teams look better and use that to recruit you over. As parents just don't buy into it or do your home work and don't go to a club that operates this way. Sounds like there's issues on both OPL and OYSA sides of the house

How are you all doing? ECNL parent here just checking in on the underlings. I see your all right where you were when I left. Have fun, and remember, don't spend too much time b@tching and moaning about the split league because before you know it your dd's club time will be over so enjoy it a bit. Well, I'm going back to my paid membership ECNL blog where we talk about more constructive subjects because well, I can afford it.