ECNL $10,000/yr vs Thorns Academy $500/yr

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Wait..........Utah has a "Surf Cup"?..... Who knew?

Utah is over 600 miles inland and the Great Salt Lake has no "surf".

It's prestigious.

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Utah has a surf cup? That's funny.

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It's prestigious.

It's kind of like calling yourselves the Timbers or Crossifire.

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It's kind of like calling yourselves the Timbers or Crossifire.

Crossfire is licensing out their name. Just like Starbucks licenses those awful ******s at the airport.

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Crossfire is licensing out their name. Just like Starbucks licenses those awful ******s at the airport.

Kio-sk = *****

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Crossfire is licensing out their name. Just like Starbucks licenses those awful ******s at the airport.

You mean you are paying someone just to use their name? Wait where is the self-sure prig who stated no-one does that, in relation to the OPL/Timbers Kerfluffle...

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You never know until it all shakes out. Maybe the cost will be a lot less than you expect.

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You never know until it all shakes out. Maybe the cost will be a lot less than you expect.

What does your post have to do with the previous four or five posts?

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What does your post have to do with the previous four or five posts?

Sorry I was responding to the title of the thread. We don't know if it really will be $10000 for ECNL. We need to keep an open mind. It's a little anxious but it should be fine.

I have to say didn't realize there were so man pages of discussion so maybe it's already been answered.

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Sorry I was responding to the title of the thread. We don't know if it really will be $10000 for ECNL. We need to keep an open mind. It's a little anxious but it should be fine.

I have to say didn't realize there were so man pages of discussion so maybe it's already been answered.

No, it hasn't been answered and won't until all of the travel is done. There are a lot of people who think the estimates from the clubs are reasonable. There are a lot of people who think they underestimated. And there are a lot of people who throw out high costs as a way to antagnonize other people. And it often works.

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No, it hasn't been answered and won't until all of the travel is done. There are a lot of people who think the estimates from the clubs are reasonable. There are a lot of people who think they underestimated. And there are a lot of people who throw out high costs as a way to antagnonize other people. And it often works.

You say that nothing is certain because the budgets are from the Northern clubs for their travels last year and don’t reflect the impact of 200 “new” travelers will have on airline tickets to major hub cities across the country out of PDX.

The Pro ECNL crowd points out that the 1st round of the Playoffs was in Seattle last year and the $300 should be adjusted upward $800 to reflect the $1,100 cost of going to Aurora Co the previous year and they add in another $400 to account for inflation for the 6 air line flights to get to $8,500 for the 16's & 17's. So now we have inflation adjusted experienced based "projected" budget from which things will be measured against.

You and the TROLLS are here to tell us that you “know” the costs of those 6 trips is going to be $250 or more for EVERY trip and that is a complete waste of time and money for limited playing time on crappy teams who will achieve poor results and get weak coaching.

By your own standards the following year’s budget would not be a realistic projection of year 2 because nothing is certain until it's done and the same would apply to year 3 over year 2 and year 4 over year 3 and so on and so on because the previous year’s “experience” is meaningless in your mind!

I agree that OSSA could have selected better coaches so I’ll have to give you that one but the rest of your assertions ARE conjecture and hyperbole and completely ignore and discount the benefits of regularly playing better competition regardless of the score and having the opportunity to be seen multiple times by the coaching community.

Now that the three clubs with the most success and travel history are ECNL clubs the options for better girls outside those three are nearly nonexistent. The Academy age group is too late/old both for development purposes and recruiting purposes. So the alternative is to throw away two of the most critical years for soccer players wanting to play at the next level. If the TA clubs were promoting forming travel teams like last year’s U16 Copa then I would say there is a viable option other than the ECNL or the A teams in those clubs.

For the girls trapped in the TA clubs I hope and pray that there are parents taking the initiative and pushing the clubs to form travel teams because if they do not the players are going to lose an entire year or more developmentally playing in our soccer back water and they are going to miss out getting their names on coaches watch lists. And that is way more expensive than the $5,000 savings between the Academy and ECNL!

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The Academy age group is too late/old both for development purposes and recruiting purposes.

If that is indeed the case, then ECNL at U16+ is too late for development and recruiting purposes. U14 and U15 would be the only age groups where it makes sense then.

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If that is indeed the case, then ECNL at U16+ is too late for development and recruiting purposes. U14 and U15 would be the only age groups where it makes sense then.

This year the benefit of Playing ECNL U17 will be getting regularly measured against college quality competition and learning what you need to work on to be competitive. The academy schedule will provide only two opportunities to get that measurement, Vegas in late march and the Regional’s at the end of the season.

So for the majority of girls who do not have verbal offers at the beginning of the season for either program what will a college coach see? In the Academy at Vegas they will see players who have not been regularly playing top quality competition after spending most of their time playing in a local league and a regional league with 3 other legitimate teams and one extremely weak showcase. What opportunity will they have had to improve their game outside practice? At the end of the season how much improvement can/should one expect a player to make having played in a so so showcase and one or two FWRL games since Vegas? Yes they will be on a very competitive team that should advance out of pool play but how much better could they be if they played a schedule comparable to an ECNL team.

Now let's contrast what the ECNL 17's will have done. After Christmas they will get their first taste of ECNL play in Florida and have the opportunity to be seen by 350+ college coaches. Yes they are not likely to win many games but each player will have the "opportunity" to show the targets schools what they can do against quality competition.

Fast forward to the end of February and they will be in Frisco Texas after having played a handful of league games playing in the second showcase in front of 200 college coaches. Again I would not expect a lot of wins for any of the local teams but they will have had and have a chance to play the game at speeds required for college success and they will have another chance to be seen by their targeted program.

Jumping ahead to the end of May the teams will have played the entire league schedule before dropping down to San Diego for the third showcase of the season. This is where I would expect the players to be able to demonstrate the progress they have made after having played a full ECNL season and two previous showcases for the West Coast coaching community.

Finally in June the players will have one more chance to demonstrate to the entire college coaching community their skill and progress they have made in their 1st season playing big girl soccer. IF you talk to coaches they know that they rarely are getting "finished" product so they have to be able to project potential and they will tell you it's easier to project that potential when they can see an arch of improvement especially when that improvement has come playing against better players.

So yes money spent at U17 is not "as" valuable as U14-16 but for those without offers or not on watch lists, however the opportunity provided by playing ECNL far exceeds anything ever offered in Oregon and they have a much better chance of improving as a player and getting an offer than if they play on the Academy team or in the OYSA league and rely on College camps.

Yes there are no guarantees that the player will have the drive to improve or get the desired offers which is the same for the Academy player. The only thing guaranteed is the superiority of the opportunity and the assocaited extra cost!

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They will actually not develop because of lack of playing time and time on the ball when in and they will be paying 10k a year which equals 40k????? To be seen by the same coaches that go and watch every tournament from vegas to surf to ecnl. Sounds like a hell of a deal to me! You could argue that the coaching exposure is worse because you'll be on a team that is terrible not touching the ball with 95% of the teams at a tournament being better than you.

Should really know something before you talk. Its pretty obvious this is your first go around because you think you know alot but you have zero understanding of development and college recruiting.

Oh and GS is not looking at your kid for UP he just says that.

Hope your kids college tuition works out for them....you'll need an offer 98% of kids do not get to just break even. But don't worry, your kid will have a fun time traveling on a plane.

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ECNL parents recruiting out in full force today. Teams are having people back out from word on the street? Need more people to keep the costs low I bet.