Victor Garcette a Washington Timbers coach?

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Oregon soccer is pay to play (at least for girls w/no DA for girls) and usually the most connected & wealthiest players "make it". The rare superstar can make it but the majority of the very solid players who don't have the $$ or the connections are usually over looked. It's not right, fair or ethical for club/odp/RTC coaches to favor their own players nor to have privates with their own players but it happens all the time.

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Boys Too

Oregon soccer is pay to play (at least for girls w/no DA for girls) and usually the most connected & wealthiest players "make it". The rare superstar can make it but the majority of the very solid players who don't have the $$ or the connections are usually over looked. It's not right, fair or ethical for club/odp/RTC coaches to favor their own players nor to have privates with their own players but it happens all the time.

Its not just the girls its rampant in the boys game.

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Oregon soccer is pay to play (at least for girls w/no DA for girls) and usually the most connected & wealthiest players "make it". The rare superstar can make it but the majority of the very solid players who don't have the $$ or the connections are usually over looked. It's not right, fair or ethical for club/odp/RTC coaches to favor their own players nor to have privates with their own players but it happens all the time.

And using the "money" excuse for people with players that weren't going to make it anyway is getting old.

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And using the "money" excuse for people with players that weren't going to make it anyway is getting old.

How about folks who wouldn't have made it, but can pay so they buy their way?

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How about folks who wouldn't have made it, but can pay so they buy their way?

Opportunity is just as important as talent. Maybe more so.

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Big Picture

And using the "money" excuse for people with players that weren't going to make it anyway is getting old.

You obviously haven't spent much time analyzing the sport, or possibly be around it long enough to compare our system with that of the rest of the world.

As a nation we are head and shoulders above the rest of the world in how much money we spend of Soccer, and it's especially pronounced in youth sports.

We've been throwing money at soccer for 30 years trying to compete with the rest of the world so that we can win something and proclaim to be the best. Sorry my friend it hasn't happened because of the cooked system we have in place.

You might be the guy that has some dough to spend, but in the BIG picture you're actually hurting the sport here in the States, and part of the systemic problem.

Worse still, you're ignorant as they come.

My advice to you......try Bowling.

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Totally Agree

You obviously haven't spent much time analyzing the sport, or possibly be around it long enough to compare our system with that of the rest of the world.

As a nation we are head and shoulders above the rest of the world in how much money we spend of Soccer, and it's especially pronounced in youth sports.

We've been throwing money at soccer for 30 years trying to compete with the rest of the world so that we can win something and proclaim to be the best. Sorry my friend it hasn't happened because of the cooked system we have in place.

You might be the guy that has some dough to spend, but in the BIG picture you're actually hurting the sport here in the States, and part of the systemic problem.

Worse still, you're ignorant as they come.

My advice to you......try Bowling.

Not being from the US and having been brought up through the youth system and academy soccer systems overseas I have to agree with the post above.

I fear for the sport at youth level because there is a pay to play system here. I have watched some of the Russian and Mexican youth leagues and see players that out shine many of the club players, but due to money, nepotism and the ole boys network these boys don't get the opportunity to play against the money bag clubs players.I guess this is the american way.

I also think one of the main reasons for the short fall is the few British that came over twenty odd years ago and portrayed themselves as the answer to youth soccer. It was the case of "In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king" They made themselves a nice little wage and led a lot of people on. They were at best to use an British term Pub and Sunday League players and you can see that in the type of soccer that has been coached here at club level. The whole system was built on sandy foundations.

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Not being from the US and having been brought up through the youth system and academy soccer systems overseas I have to agree with the post above.

I fear for the sport at youth level because there is a pay to play system here. I have watched some of the Russian and Mexican youth leagues and see players that out shine many of the club players, but due to money, nepotism and the ole boys network these boys don't get the opportunity to play against the money bag clubs players.I guess this is the american way.

I also think one of the main reasons for the short fall is the few British that came over twenty odd years ago and portrayed themselves as the answer to youth soccer. It was the case of "In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king" They made themselves a nice little wage and led a lot of people on. They were at best to use an British term Pub and Sunday League players and you can see that in the type of soccer that has been coached here at club level. The whole system was built on sandy foundations.

Totally agree. I also think we as a nation have further gotten screwed up because those same soccer foundations come from countries that don't enjoy the diversity we do. One of our greatest advantages would be to see our national team as just as much of a melting pot as our country. These diverse styles if managed correctly would make a powerful team.

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Nail on the head

Not being from the US and having been brought up through the youth system and academy soccer systems overseas I have to agree with the post above.

I fear for the sport at youth level because there is a pay to play system here. I have watched some of the Russian and Mexican youth leagues and see players that out shine many of the club players, but due to money, nepotism and the ole boys network these boys don't get the opportunity to play against the money bag clubs players.I guess this is the american way.

I also think one of the main reasons for the short fall is the few British that came over twenty odd years ago and portrayed themselves as the answer to youth soccer. It was the case of "In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king" They made themselves a nice little wage and led a lot of people on. They were at best to use an British term Pub and Sunday League players and you can see that in the type of soccer that has been coached here at club level. The whole system was built on sandy foundations.

You are one the few who can see the BIG picture through the smoke and mirrors provided by an accent. The lack of any business acumen and some really BAD traits has lead us right where we find our selves today. I've witnessed the coaching ability and found it fundamentally and substantially lacking.

This unto itself is why the soccer landscape is sooo barren on this side of the river, allowing for Portland pundits to rightfully call this what it is, a backwater, organizationally.

I still think it'll be 10 years before things are reasonably straightened out here, and that is only *if* they're aren't part of the future, and a WORKING professional is at the helm and directs the club.

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Looks like the boys finished the season in 4th place in RCL 1. Nice work. A look at the schedule shows going 6 wins, 2 losses, and 1 tie after a horrible start. Looks like a team that is improving to me.

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Looks like the boys finished the season in 4th place in RCL 1. Nice work. A look at the schedule shows going 6 wins, 2 losses, and 1 tie after a horrible start. Looks like a team that is improving to me.

Congratulations on the Improvement. Be cautious before you get too excited however…A lot of teams will reach fourth place and get stuck there. The real test of a team is the ability to push into the top three.

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Looks like the boys finished the season in 4th place in RCL 1. Nice work. A look at the schedule shows going 6 wins, 2 losses, and 1 tie after a horrible start. Looks like a team that is improving to me.

If you say so, looks like they played the last place team twice, and then the other bottom 2. So that should help their record. Looks like they lost to the top teams by the same if not more. But I guess if you wanted to try to pat yourself on the back, you could make the case. It's still Victor, the train wreck is coming one way or another. He can only hide the crazy for so long.

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Seattle Copa ~ Contested score

Looks like the boys finished the season in 4th place in RCL 1. Nice work. A look at the schedule shows going 6 wins, 2 losses, and 1 tie after a horrible start. Looks like a team that is improving to me.

Looks likely they finish in 5th.......not 4th. Copa has a contested score with Snohomish Black, the last place team with NO wins.

You might want to do your homework before you raise your hand in class, and everyone finds out that you didn't read ALL of the assignment.

The complaint I heard was that they were often out matched by teams with larger players and couldn't compete physically. This, from a very, very good source.

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Looks likely they finish in 5th.......not 4th. Copa has a contested score with Snohomish Black, the last place team with NO wins.

You might want to do your homework before you raise your hand in class, and everyone finds out that you didn't read ALL of the assignment.

The complaint I heard was that they were often out matched by teams with larger players and couldn't compete physically. This, from a very, very good source.

Outmatched and out COACHED. Poor positioning of players. Lots of crazy. Made for great games to watch.

Ol Vic brought in so many new players from other teams that kids are wearing "Hello...my name is..." name tags now.

For the team Christmas party, I wonder who will play Santa?

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Outmatched and out COACHED. Poor positioning of players. Lots of crazy. Made for great games to watch.

Ol Vic brought in so many new players from other teams that kids are wearing "Hello...my name is..." name tags now.

For the team Christmas party, I wonder who will play Santa?

Previous coach was better.