Do U14 Girls OPL Move To OYSA?

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With the completion of the FC and Crossfire/THUSC ECNL tryouts and the low player turnout for each respective club, does this still mean that players outside of the OPL clubs will flock to tryout for OPL teams?

Seemed likely if large numbers showed up for ECNL tryouts. But, since really only FC and THUSC players even tried out in large numbers, do the leftover OPL girls abandon ship now for OYSA clubs as their respective top teams, and league anchor clubs, have been gutted.

I ask because my daughter is an OPL player, but I am now getting the feeling that we may be left holding an empty bag.

Any thoughts not this before regular club tryouts begin later this week?

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With the completion of the FC and Crossfire/THUSC ECNL tryouts and the low player turnout for each respective club, does this still mean that players outside of the OPL clubs will flock to tryout for OPL teams?

Seemed likely if large numbers showed up for ECNL tryouts. But, since really only FC and THUSC players even tried out in large numbers, do the leftover OPL girls abandon ship now for OYSA clubs as their respective top teams, and league anchor clubs, have been gutted.

I ask because my daughter is an OPL player, but I am now getting the feeling that we may be left holding an empty bag.

Any thoughts not this before regular club tryouts begin later this week?

Somebody did make the case on one of the other threads that these may simply become "ECNL" only clubs from here on at ages U14 and above. It does sort of seem that Crossfire/THUSC and FC have decided that their focus will be on their ECNL teams primarily and their regular club teams in the older age groups will just be a revenue source.

I guess we will make our decision after the first night of tryouts. If our team is truly gutted then we will need to look elsewhere.

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Somebody did make the case on one of the other threads that these may simply become "ECNL" only clubs from here on at ages U14 and above. It does sort of seem that Crossfire/THUSC and FC have decided that their focus will be on their ECNL teams primarily and their regular club teams in the older age groups will just be a revenue source.

I guess we will make our decision after the first night of tryouts. If our team is truly gutted then we will need to look elsewhere.

Fine, leave then. Just wait and in two years you will be eating crow as all of the girls will be moving to OPL. I know this sounds like a broken record, but it is going to happen.

It's okay, I don't mind saying I told you so.

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Somebody did make the case on one of the other threads that these may simply become "ECNL" only clubs from here on at ages U14 and above. It does sort of seem that Crossfire/THUSC and FC have decided that their focus will be on their ECNL teams primarily and their regular club teams in the older age groups will just be a revenue source.

I guess we will make our decision after the first night of tryouts. If our team is truly gutted then we will need to look elsewhere.

So lets say they become ECNL clubs and the remaining 'teams' at each ECNL club are shells of their former selves. Won't that just make the OPL have a little more parity? A look at the other thread shows the ECNL clubs were pretty much cleaning up the OPL. Won't it just make the OPL a little more equal? A couple of the OYSA teams on the girls side will be that much better then the OPL clubs at the U14 age bracket, but other then letting other clubs have a chance, nothing really changes.

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So lets say they become ECNL clubs and the remaining 'teams' at each ECNL club are shells of their former selves. Won't that just make the OPL have a little more parity? A look at the other thread shows the ECNL clubs were pretty much cleaning up the OPL. Won't it just make the OPL a little more equal? A couple of the OYSA teams on the girls side will be that much better then the OPL clubs at the U14 age bracket, but other then letting other clubs have a chance, nothing really changes.

My concern is that from U14 though U18 the OPL is almost entirely a 3 club league. Take the majority of the best players out of those age groups and you have "B" teams playing "C" teams from the same club week in and week out.

Hey, I get the TA clubs all wearing red and white playing against each other every weekend. But, I have to admit, at least they aren't always playing their own teams.

Look, I would prefer to stay but if my daughter's club becomes predominantly ECNL and we aren't part of that program, maybe we need to look at a club that is better suited to her needs and can still challenge her.

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My concern is that from U14 though U18 the OPL is almost entirely a 3 club league. Take the majority of the best players out of those age groups and you have "B" teams playing "C" teams from the same club week in and week out.

Hey, I get the TA clubs all wearing red and white playing against each other every weekend. But, I have to admit, at least they aren't always playing their own teams.

Look, I would prefer to stay but if my daughter's club becomes predominantly ECNL and we aren't part of that program, maybe we need to look at a club that is better suited to her needs and can still challenge her.

I didn't realize there were girls teams U15-U18 in the OYSA. But I get your point.

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I didn't realize there were girls teams U15-U18 in the OYSA. But I get your point.

No offense taken. I realize most of the posts on here are all piss-and-vinegar.

In looking at the OPL U14 girls State Cup the semi-finals and finals were dominated by FC and THUSC. Those teams are now essentially gone to ECNL and since we don't play at one of those clubs, what is now left?

Surely, the lack of competition is going to hurt the teams that are leftover. If the point of girls playing ECNL is to challenge themselves with better competition than the same holds true about what is left at the U14 age group in the OPL.

It kind of seems to me that the much deeper overall team talent clearly now resides in the OYSA. Are kids really going to "flock" to the OPL to HSC, Valley Futbol and the likes? Hard to see that happening.

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No offense taken. I realize most of the posts on here are all piss-and-vinegar.

In looking at the OPL U14 girls State Cup the semi-finals and finals were dominated by FC and THUSC. Those teams are now essentially gone to ECNL and since we don't play at one of those clubs, what is now left?

Surely, the lack of competition is going to hurt the teams that are leftover. If the point of girls playing ECNL is to challenge themselves with better competition than the same holds true about what is left at the U14 age group in the OPL.

It kind of seems to me that the much deeper overall team talent clearly now resides in the OYSA. Are kids really going to "flock" to the OPL to HSC, Valley Futbol and the likes? Hard to see that happening.

Hate to say this, because my kid is playing ECNL but you actually have a point. If you are not on our club's ECNL team, for instance, you will be left playing 2nd and 3rd division teams from last year's Fall OPL league.

Sorry to say, but kinda sucks to be you. Guess your daughter should have worked a little harder to sharpen those skills and she could have been playing in the ECNL. No worries, the Timbers will take you as they take just about everybody.

Besides, who the heck in our club is going to coach the non-ECNL players? Now, that is a good question and I really have no clue. Certainly, no one worth noting because they are all working with the ECNL girls.

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No offense taken. I realize most of the posts on here are all piss-and-vinegar.

In looking at the OPL U14 girls State Cup the semi-finals and finals were dominated by FC and THUSC. Those teams are now essentially gone to ECNL and since we don't play at one of those clubs, what is now left?

Surely, the lack of competition is going to hurt the teams that are leftover. If the point of girls playing ECNL is to challenge themselves with better competition than the same holds true about what is left at the U14 age group in the OPL.

It kind of seems to me that the much deeper overall team talent clearly now resides in the OYSA. Are kids really going to "flock" to the OPL to HSC, Valley Futbol and the likes? Hard to see that happening.

agreed, no flocking. Although if the numbers suggested at FC's U14 ECNL tryout are accurate on that thread (dubious at best), they still might be able to field a relatively competitive team. Sounds like L.O. is only losing a player or two, etc. But your point is still taken. However, most of those kids won't be 'flocking' the other way either. Most kids are playing with friends at their relative local club. The uber competitive ones will seek out the ECNL or stay with current teams due to cost, past success or hope they win more medals now.

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agreed, no flocking. Although if the numbers suggested at FC's U14 ECNL tryout are accurate on that thread (dubious at best), they still might be able to field a relatively competitive team. Sounds like L.O. is only losing a player or two, etc. But your point is still taken. However, most of those kids won't be 'flocking' the other way either. Most kids are playing with friends at their relative local club. The uber competitive ones will seek out the ECNL or stay with current teams due to cost, past success or hope they win more medals now.

I have a daughter who will be playing ECNL, but will also add this. If OPL and OYSA play their teams again in the same leagues this coming Fall, no one is going to be flocking to those FC, Crossfire or THUSC teams made up of kids leftover from the ECNL tryouts. Not any good players anyway.

If our "B" teams have to play the top U14 girls teams from the OYSA side they will not do well. Can't really blame them as they will be significantly out gunned in those match-ups without our ECNL girls.

But hey, they can say that they are in clubs that have ECNL programs. And, the TA people can say they wear MLS patches. It will be fun for all.

We, on the other hand, will be doing the elite thingy so you all can fend for yourselves.

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You bring up some good questions, and honestly if you either don't make ENCL or you choose not to play ENCL then you are right that what will be left is a shell of an "A" team.

One other thing nobody is mentioning is in the past the "A" team coaches are the same coaches who will be coaching the ENCL teams, so if all their top girls coaches are doing ENCL then whats left to coach the kids who aren't ENCL. It feels like those clubs are pushing their chips into ENCL. That is fine, but for those who don't make it or choose not to play you are left with the B team coaches and a shell of the A teams. So you are fair to ask if it might be a good idea to look elsewhere.

also As you said what if your Daughter plays for a club who is currently in OPL but not Cross/FCP/Thusc, what competition will she get for league?

I think you have the right idea though, look at all your options, do your homework, ask the right questions and no matter if you go OPL or OYSA I'm sure you will make a good choice for your DD.

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The OPL at U14 and above is D.O.A. There ain't nobody left now that the two ECNL teams took the best girls from FC, THUSC and Crossfire.

Last one out, turn off the lights.

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You bring up some good questions, and honestly if you either don't make ENCL or you choose not to play ENCL then you are right that what will be left is a shell of an "A" team.

One other thing nobody is mentioning is in the past the "A" team coaches are the same coaches who will be coaching the ENCL teams, so if all their top girls coaches are doing ENCL then whats left to coach the kids who aren't ENCL. It feels like those clubs are pushing their chips into ENCL. That is fine, but for those who don't make it or choose not to play you are left with the B team coaches and a shell of the A teams. So you are fair to ask if it might be a good idea to look elsewhere.

also As you said what if your Daughter plays for a club who is currently in OPL but not Cross/FCP/Thusc, what competition will she get for league?

I think you have the right idea though, look at all your options, do your homework, ask the right questions and no matter if you go OPL or OYSA I'm sure you will make a good choice for your DD.

Nice to have a reasonable response on this website from time to time. Thank you.

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Somebody did make the case on one of the other threads that these may simply become "ECNL" only clubs from here on at ages U14 and above. It does sort of seem that Crossfire/THUSC and FC have decided that their focus will be on their ECNL teams primarily and their regular club teams in the older age groups will just be a revenue source.

I guess we will make our decision after the first night of tryouts. If our team is truly gutted then we will need to look elsewhere.

It's more a question of geography than anything else.Realistically, where would a girl from THUSC or FC go, even if they wanted to? Westside? Eastside? Vancouver? Not likely. Westside's teams, other than maybe one, are weaker than even weakened OPL teams would be. To drive to Eastside or Vancouver in the early evening would be unbearable for most (Vancouver to Hillsboro isn't bad but the other direction is gridlock). Even if those clubs had the top teams around, the OPL girls are most likely staying where they are.

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Sad to see there's a troll posing as an ECNL parent on this board.
I guess that's how the wannabe's work...