Will the ENCL have any effect on OPL?

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You might also understand that there is a vast world of boys soccer that don't even care about ECNL. They probably don't understand why you keep misspelling uncle. So stay in your happy little girls world. It will be interesting to watch boys who are irritated at their fees going to support ECNL as they decide to leave OPL...

This couldn't be more true. There is very little reason to stay OPL if you are a boy.

On the girls side, it is likely that some top players move to ECNL clubs this year if they are good enough to make the top team. What will be interesting is the development of the Thorns Academy over the next few years. Will other MLS/nwsl create similar academies? Will there be leagues for the to participate in? Will there eventually be more than one age group? Will costs truly be subsidized to keep costs down like they do for DA? If things are done well, TA clubs will remain a player in girls soccer. It's just unfortunate that there is such a dilution. I think that will be a problem for years to come.

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You bring up a good point. Lets use a real life example then.

I do think more TA players are apt to go to FC portland over the crossfire encl team, but thats just my opinoin.

But lets break this down a bit. Lets say an ENCL team has 18 player roster at U14. First realize not every top player will go (money is an issue, and some parents don't want the travel or time commitments) The majority of the teams will still be formed with their current teams.

Crossfire Losc, WUSC, CUSC, and Thusc probably combined to fill just about that entire roster, but lets say they pick up 2 players from Eastside to complete their 18.

FCP 11 players from current team and then 3 from westside, 2 from WA Timbers, 2 from other clubs (FCSC, VFC, ect.)

yes losing the top couple players might hurt those teams, but its not going to crush those teams either. They wont be as good as the ENCL teams but they will still be better than the B teams from those clubs.

Now for the OPL you are combining the top players from Losc, Wusc, Cusc, Thusc, and FCP for your ENCL teams which means all those teams left over from the ENCL will be weaker from losing all their top players as well.

So whats your fall league in OPL going to look like?: FCP B, Thusc B, Crossfire B, Crossfire C, and then whichever teams outside of those want to join. If you compare that to Westside A, WA Timbers A, Eastside A, CFC A, EMFC A, ect. which one should be more competitive for the players who are still left?

Absolutely no one from the couv'.....FCSC or wash timbers will be going to ECNL this coming year at u14.....it's just too costly right now.... Not to mention FCSC is better than any of the ECNL teams that will be formed at u14. My opinion, u14 ECNL will not be strong this coming year. Eastside

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Absolutely no one from the couv'.....FCSC or wash timbers will be going to ECNL this coming year at u14.....it's just too costly right now.... Not to mention FCSC is better than any of the ECNL teams that will be formed at u14. My opinion, u14 ECNL will not be strong this coming year. Eastside

Is this true? If a team from Salmon Creek Wa is better than ECNL that does not bode well for ECNL in Oregon.

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Absolutely no one from the couv'.....FCSC or wash timbers will be going to ECNL this coming year at u14.....it's just too costly right now.... Not to mention FCSC is better than any of the ECNL teams that will be formed at u14. My opinion, u14 ECNL will not be strong this coming year. Eastside

I would agree about WashT. Nobody on that team could make an ECNL team. Just watch to see how many Nemesis players are at ECNL tryouts next weekend...

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Yer a silly person and you don't even know it

You forget, as posted earlier, by playing at an ECNL club on a non-ECNL team, you will get to financially support the ECNL players, a potion of your registration will hold their costs down. So essentially you are getting the same as today, a little lower level of competition, but you will pay more for it...because you get to wear the name even without the ECNL badge.

It's like watching a magician, don't let them distract your eyes. ECNL will make the clubs holding it stronger. It will destroy the league dynamics. This is what those clubs don't want anyone to realize. Behind the scenes, THUSC doesn't care about consolidating the states talent pool, they are obsessed with WS and taking all those players.

Behind all those grandiose ideas are really little men with intense ego. Don't be fooled by the pretty picture.

So you think a club could attract and retain players if a meaningful portion of their fees were directed to subsidize a extreme minority of Players? You OBVIOUSLY have not been on a board because if you had you would know those things have to be disclosed and the other parents are not going to sit back and have much more than $10 per player siphoned off to support the Elite players. Hell we can't even get $5 dedicated to fund ODP.

Keep trying to scare us away from the ECNL with your barrage of IGNORANT and FACTLESS speculation......its rather entertaing. Not humorous but entertaining straw grasping.

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So you think a club could attract and retain players if a meaningful portion of their fees were directed to subsidize a extreme minority of Players? You OBVIOUSLY have not been on a board because if you had you would know those things have to be disclosed and the other parents are not going to sit back and have much more than $10 per player siphoned off to support the Elite players. Hell we can't even get $5 dedicated to fund ODP.

Keep trying to scare us away from the ECNL with your barrage of IGNORANT and FACTLESS speculation......its rather entertaing. Not humorous but entertaining straw grasping.

Not so sure. Westside has been doing this for years, supporting the boys program with scholarships with funds from the girls side.

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Is this true? If a team from Salmon Creek Wa is better than ECNL that does not bode well for ECNL in Oregon.

Depends. Team is like an ECNL team. There are girls on that team that have played at FCP, EST, etc. They have and are driving from all over. Then to get some competition, do the WYSA instead of OPL or OYSA.

There is a demand in Oregon/SW Wa to get the best girls available and have them play the best around the country.

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Depends. Team is like an ECNL team. There are girls on that team that have played at FCP, EST, etc. They have and are driving from all over. Then to get some competition, do the WYSA instead of OPL or OYSA.

There is a demand in Oregon/SW Wa to get the best girls available and have them play the best around the country.

Salmon Creek can't play in the RCL so the only way for those girls to get better competition is to go ECNL.

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Not so sure. Westside has been doing this for years, supporting the boys program with scholarships with funds from the girls side.

The difference is that the fee PAID by the Boys AND Girls was the SAME and included the portion for scholarship assistance. The mere presence of the girls provided the bulk if the extra $'s.

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Salmon Creek can't play in the RCL so the only way for those girls to get better competition is to go ECNL.

If they mixed w WashT they would be as good as ECNL team, play RCL, get great competition, college exposure, save about $6k. Truthfully, as a SW Wa person, I completely wish that WashT, fcsc, and pacific could somehow work together. It would be a powerful combo if you could channel the top players on to one team. Why not work together and keep ALL the talent close to home? I know, I know... Money and control.

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If they mixed w WashT they would be as good as ECNL team, play RCL, get great competition, college exposure, save about $6k. Truthfully, as a SW Wa person, I completely wish that WashT, fcsc, and pacific could somehow work together. It would be a powerful combo if you could channel the top players on to one team. Why not work together and keep ALL the talent close to home? I know, I know... Money and control.

Wishful thinking. Peeps in Oregon, were wishing for something similar and then the league split in half. ENCL will be a couple of grand higher then good local club teams that do a lot of traveling. But way better competition.

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Very interesting

To note that everything the OPL barkers complained about with OYSA is now shown to be a part of OPL. The complaint about timbers wanting money and control, how is ECNL different, the part about having non-elite members of your club pay to support the elite...rings very familiar too.

So has there been a change of heart, or was this moral outrage just a smoke screen. Thank for a moment before you get all hot and puffy.

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So you think a club could attract and retain players if a meaningful portion of their fees were directed to subsidize a extreme minority of Players? You OBVIOUSLY have not been on a board because if you had you would know those things have to be disclosed and the other parents are not going to sit back and have much more than $10 per player siphoned off to support the Elite players. Hell we can't even get $5 dedicated to fund ODP.

Keep trying to scare us away from the ECNL with your barrage of IGNORANT and FACTLESS speculation......its rather entertaing. Not humorous but entertaining straw grasping.

Rather than speculate about what might happen, why not look North for your clue. Both Crossfire and WPFC lead Washington in the number of teams they are able to form at every age group. Crossfire has 4 teams at every age group. WPFC has 3 or 4. At the ECNL age groups, even their B teams are often in RCL Division 1.

One might argue that this would have been true before ECNL, but it is quite clear that having ECNL has not hurt the rest of the club in any way, unless you want to count the fact that these clubs now don't routinely win state championships on the girls side in the ECNL age groups like they used to.

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To note that everything the OPL barkers complained about with OYSA is now shown to be a part of OPL. The complaint about timbers wanting money and control, how is ECNL different, the part about having non-elite members of your club pay to support the elite...rings very familiar too.

So has there been a change of heart, or was this moral outrage just a smoke screen. Thank for a moment before you get all hot and puffy.

hm... interesting perspective...
meanwhile, back in the real world.

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Rather than speculate about what might happen, why not look North for your clue. Both Crossfire and WPFC lead Washington in the number of teams they are able to form at every age group. Crossfire has 4 teams at every age group. WPFC has 3 or 4. At the ECNL age groups, even their B teams are often in RCL Division 1.

One might argue that this would have been true before ECNL, but it is quite clear that having ECNL has not hurt the rest of the club in any way, unless you want to count the fact that these clubs now don't routinely win state championships on the girls side in the ECNL age groups like they used to.

your post doesn't work....

Seattle has a metro area population close to 5 million
Portland metro has a population of 2 million

Seattle has more athletes, they can accommodate ECNL because they have enough quality players.
Portland does not have the quality to have two ECNL, this is a fact. My guess is that ECNL will take off in the PDX area....each of the clubs will be good at certain age groups....whoever is cheaper and provides the best coaching will have the best teams....it's not difficult to figure out....on a side note....this coming year most of the ECNL teams will get their *****es handed to them by non-ECNL teams....it will be a few years before all age groups even compete here locally because we are not deep enough in talent.

I want ECNL to work I just think we are not ready yet.
Another issue with ECNL is that if you look at the clubs that are being accepted each year it will show you that they are not picking truly "ELite" clubs.....there are some very weak teams in ECNL. If you have come on here b!tching about MLS Affiliates as money grabbing donkeys and you are blind to ECNL not being there to grab money out of your pocket you are obscenely retarded....this whole business is about money.

ECNL will be a great experience for a very, very small number of families.....the funny thing is that those same families can end with the same end result for waaaaaaaaaay less money.
You will see in a few years.....the same amount of kids getting scholarships will be no different than in the past.