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Itotally disagree. They have options and should be supported if they want to play pro. They can easily go back to college at a later date if that does not work out and they would be going because they actually want to and not because everyone said it was only option.

On the nba if these players are not ready then why the one and done.specifically those that know they will be one and done. Prior to even starting college

If a kid is good enough to go straight from high school in the U.S. to a professional team those opportunities would find them. The reason they haven't is because the player is better suited at this point to a college level program.

Pro clubs aren't looking for 18-19 year olds that need more development. They need to win today and require players who can help them accomplish this. If they want a Develomental Player they to get those players at 12-14 years old and place them in their academy.

College is quite likely the best overall life choice for the majority of even MLS quality academy players. If you aren't ready at the pro level they will wash you out and find another player from across the world to replace you.

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I know two guys who were great baseball players and could have starred at a top college. , gotten a great education, all the girls you could dream of and been prepared for a good paying career.

Instead both got drafted and got signing bonuses of some hung amount like 30-40k. It was such an ego rush to get drafted and get what seemed at the time to be a big chunk of cash.

One of them is now driving a fork lift for a grocery warehouse and the other works at a sporting goods store and Best Buy on the side. Both struggle to make enough to support their families because they skipped college.

I'd say the wise choice is get an education especially if you can get part of it paid for.

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Any coach who does not encourage players to go to college is doing them a huge disservice. Pro soccer will work out to be a career for a very small number of kids. Education will benefit 100% of them.

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It seems like the two of you are arguing different points. One of you is arguing for what is best for US Soccer, and the other is arguing for what is best for the kid. I think you're both right. If US Soccer were the most important thing in the world then it would be great for all kids with even a shred of talent to enter the pros and develop there. If you're a fringe kid, go to school. Maybe you'll get an MLS chance. If not, you can go make your 40K doing something else.

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What?

This is exactly the attitude that is detrimental to our players. We do have options not enough but some domesticaly and plenty in Europe. Africa and south America. We need to support and encourage our top players not tell them they can't make it and that they should go to school.

Alex and a few others are near the level of rubio and could make it and yes I have personal experience as a coach with both players.

This connection of college and athletics is crap for those who actually want to play pro.

If you just want to extend you career and get an education great but other than that it's redicolus.

Look at the other sports as an example. Why do players have to attend one year of college to go nba.

What's up with American football and the route to nfl being via college.

Players that go to college most often get an education. Something you lack in your misspellings and inability to write a complete thought. How many young lives do you want to waste chasing a very illusive dream of playing soccer anywhere in the world? The vast majority never will. Damn you are exceptionally dumb.

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This is exactly the attitude that is detrimental to our players. We do have options not enough but some domesticaly and plenty in Europe. Africa and south America. We need to support and encourage our top players not tell them they can't make it and that they should go to school.

Alex and a few others are near the level of rubio and could make it and yes I have personal experience as a coach with both players.

This connection of college and athletics is crap for those who actually want to play pro.

If you just want to extend you career and get an education great but other than that it's redicolus.

Look at the other sports as an example. Why do players have to attend one year of college to go nba.

What's up with American football and the route to nfl being via college.

This is nuts! Would you have given this advice to Nagbe? And, before you give me the "he's an exception" story, there are countless other players coming from college and they are pretty dang good players. Unless the player is of the NT quality, they should be encouraged to attend college. For those of you saying that they can always go back, let's discuss that.

So, they go to Europe, play second or third division, earn somewhere between 50-75k for 3 years, spend most of it (that's what I would have likely done), come home, have no eligibility, try and work without a degree for a while, then go back to school, likely a local state school and pay the entire amount of my education. If I stick to it, graduate in 5-6 years (because I have to continue to work), now I am 26, have mounds of debt and am now searching for a job.

Plus, like another poster stated, although playing in college does require significant effort and organization, there are huge benefits not only for the experiences and friendships, but most programs offer tutoring for the athletes, you do get preferential treatment for classes, many offer food programs so said athletes aren't eating mac & cheese while consuming thousands of calories, etc. The experience of playing, the lessons taught and the discipline developed because it is required are life-changing and priceless.

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I think it is important to congratulate Alex and Rolando and any others who make it into the local D1 programs. I am glad, in particular, that Coach Simmons is fishing in his back yard. The play on that team can certainly improve and both recruits will help the effort.

As for the poster who encourages players to go pro, it ignores the cost benefit analysis presently in the US. You just do not earn enough to warrant the conclusion. Until the pay increases and the MLS clubs start developing younger players rather than wanting immediate results, no rational coach/parent should push a child into a short term fix. Brent Richard's injury and ensuing struggles demonstrate the difficult of this choice. The sad thing was that Brent played with a brain and would have fit into Porter's system. I personally hope that Porter rewards local players as it appears his choices seem to favor pedigrees with an Ohio college on the resume.

Since this chat room will spend 15 more pages on non existent ENCL programs, I sure wish they would spend 10% of the discussion about our pro team--even if they are males. Then, again, opinions from most posters probably will be a waste of time. I guess we will return to beating the dead horse of whether to go OPL or OYSA. Hint to this crowd: OPL is dead within a year. You, however, can return to your sticks and stones. . . and debate which U12 girls team is best. Fascinating.

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I think it is important to congratulate Alex and Rolando and any others who make it into the local D1 programs. I am glad, in particular, that Coach Simmons is fishing in his back yard. The play on that team can certainly improve and both recruits will help the effort.

As for the poster who encourages players to go pro, it ignores the cost benefit analysis presently in the US. You just do not earn enough to warrant the conclusion. Until the pay increases and the MLS clubs start developing younger players rather than wanting immediate results, no rational coach/parent should push a child into a short term fix. Brent Richard's injury and ensuing struggles demonstrate the difficult of this choice. The sad thing was that Brent played with a brain and would have fit into Porter's system. I personally hope that Porter rewards local players as it appears his choices seem to favor pedigrees with an Ohio college on the resume.

Since this chat room will spend 15 more pages on non existent ENCL programs, I sure wish they would spend 10% of the discussion about our pro team--even if they are males. Then, again, opinions from most posters probably will be a waste of time. I guess we will return to beating the dead horse of whether to go OPL or OYSA. Hint to this crowd: OPL is dead within a year. You, however, can return to your sticks and stones. . . and debate which U12 girls team is best. Fascinating.

OK, I will start the conversation... why do the Timbers suck so bad ?

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I think it is important to congratulate Alex and Rolando and any others who make it into the local D1 programs. I am glad, in particular, that Coach Simmons is fishing in his back yard. The play on that team can certainly improve and both recruits will help the effort.

As for the poster who encourages players to go pro, it ignores the cost benefit analysis presently in the US. You just do not earn enough to warrant the conclusion. Until the pay increases and the MLS clubs start developing younger players rather than wanting immediate results, no rational coach/parent should push a child into a short term fix. Brent Richard's injury and ensuing struggles demonstrate the difficult of this choice. The sad thing was that Brent played with a brain and would have fit into Porter's system. I personally hope that Porter rewards local players as it appears his choices seem to favor pedigrees with an Ohio college on the resume.

Since this chat room will spend 15 more pages on non existent ENCL programs, I sure wish they would spend 10% of the discussion about our pro team--even if they are males. Then, again, opinions from most posters probably will be a waste of time. I guess we will return to beating the dead horse of whether to go OPL or OYSA. Hint to this crowd: OPL is dead within a year. You, however, can return to your sticks and stones. . . and debate which U12 girls team is best. Fascinating.

One thing... Brent Richards played soccer and earned a degree from UW before making the 1st team.

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OK, I will start the conversation... why do the Timbers suck so bad ?

I don't know, why do you suck so bad? Give them time, they will make the playoffs. As for you, you have already hit your ceiling which is not too high.

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Only 2/30 teams have made playoffs after failing to score 8 points in first 7 matches. Timbers are at 4 points. Playoffs are no guarantee.

Analogy:
A forward who can't score is like a _____ that can't _______.

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Only 2/30 teams have made playoffs after failing to score 8 points in first 7 matches. Timbers are at 4 points. Playoffs are no guarantee.

Analogy:
A forward who can't score is like a _____ that can't _______.

this is a fun game

... a coach who can't win. (?)

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OK, I will start the conversation... why do the Timbers suck so bad ?

Tinkering with a successful playing squad that went far last season and brining in new players that will take time to gel with the team.

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Tinkering with a successful playing squad that went far last season and brining in new players that will take time to gel with the team.

The housewives will not look at this thread unless you indicate it is Encl or, possibly, Timbers. Then, they will say the Portland Timbers are not part of the OPL. I think this discussion cannot occur under Oregon State Commitment.

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The housewives will not look at this thread unless you indicate it is Encl or, possibly, Timbers. Then, they will say the Portland Timbers are not part of the OPL. I think this discussion cannot occur under Oregon State Commitment.

Haha you are probably right. Then again maybe it is nice to leave it 'hidden' in this thread...