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I agree with the part about being a target when you are good, but who wants to spend an entire season working your way up from RCL 3 to RCL 2, and then another season to RCL1? That's a lot of time with teams that will not help you improve your play.

Can they evenn start at RCL3 or do they need to start at 4? What are the rules for a select club like PFC?

Select teams from non-RCL clubs can't enter the RCL directly, except under very special circumstances. Basically they would have to win the NPSL (North Puget Sound League) and then apply to enter the RCL at the lowest division available. And then they wouldn't be allowed to be promoted. That's just the way it is.

The ONLY way to for this team to play in the RCL is for them to move to the WA Timbers. Timbers are the only RCL club in the area (the next closest is Blackhills in Olympia) and teams have to be located and practice / play within their association's boundaries. And then they can only start at U13, and ONLY in the lowest division. And that's assuming that the brain trust at WA Timbers would even allow them to play in the RCL, which is far from a given.

If, however, they did manage to get into the RCL, there is promotion after each season, fall and spring, so you can get to RCL1 in less than 2 years.

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You'll see. It's always the same. Just give it time. If telling the truth makes me a "loser", so be it. I've been through this many times over the years and I've listened to countless parents tell me "I wish we had moved a year (or two) earlier".

Seems like you are the kind of complainer that other complaining parents would gravitate to. Naturally, you are going to hear others repeat your line about "should have moved sooner".

The truth is that you will NEVER know what would have happened if you stayed. You can only hope what you did was the right thing.

So there is no "truth", as you call it, just your opinion that what you did was right for you.

You say you have been through this many times over the years...is that supposed to mean that you have some experience and that you know the best way? Ha. Maybe you are always making the wrong decisions.

Many people have made arguments for teams leaving PFC over the years but I don;t know of any that are a success.

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Seems like you are the kind of complainer that other complaining parents would gravitate to. Naturally, you are going to hear others repeat your line about "should have moved sooner".

The truth is that you will NEVER know what would have happened if you stayed. You can only hope what you did was the right thing.

So there is no "truth", as you call it, just your opinion that what you did was right for you.

You say you have been through this many times over the years...is that supposed to mean that you have some experience and that you know the best way? Ha. Maybe you are always making the wrong decisions.

Many people have made arguments for teams leaving PFC over the years but I don;t know of any that are a success.

Of course they haven't been a success. The teams at PFC have historically been very weak select teams. And I'm not talking about moving the entire team. It's only the top 4-5 players that would benefit from moving to an established club with a real development program. The rest will simply continue to play select level or quit for other activities. You may not want to believe it will happen, but it will. It always does. Look at any U14 Premier division team in Portland/Vancouver. NONE of them have even half the roster they had at U11.

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you must not know the RCL very well...

every team in RCL 2 would win OPL NPL Division...

most of the RCL 3 teams would be competitive in OPL NPL Division

I know RCL very well.

What is the point you are trying to make? The topic is how can this team quickly get to RCL 2 or RCL1?

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Select teams from non-RCL clubs can't enter the RCL directly, except under very special circumstances. Basically they would have to win the NPSL (North Puget Sound League) and then apply to enter the RCL at the lowest division available. And then they wouldn't be allowed to be promoted. That's just the way it is.

The ONLY way to for this team to play in the RCL is for them to move to the WA Timbers. Timbers are the only RCL club in the area (the next closest is Blackhills in Olympia) and teams have to be located and practice / play within their association's boundaries. And then they can only start at U13, and ONLY in the lowest division. And that's assuming that the brain trust at WA Timbers would even allow them to play in the RCL, which is far from a given.

If, however, they did manage to get into the RCL, there is promotion after each season, fall and spring, so you can get to RCL1 in less than 2 years.

I thought WT FC is no longer an RCL club, just an "affiliate". Not sure what that means beyond that they no longer get to place teams at D2 to start anymore.

How does PSPL measure up to RCL? I hear that their top tier is between RCL 1 and 2.

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Of course they haven't been a success. The teams at PFC have historically been very weak select teams. And I'm not talking about moving the entire team. It's only the top 4-5 players that would benefit from moving to an established club with a real development program. The rest will simply continue to play select level or quit for other activities. You may not want to believe it will happen, but it will. It always does. Look at any U14 Premier division team in Portland/Vancouver. NONE of them have even half the roster they had at U11.

First off, PFC is maybe, what, five years old? So not much of a history yet.

Next, they have played a lot in OPL and have done pretty well, IIRC.

Anyway, what is the club in this (Vancouver) area with a "real development program"? You can't tell us it's Timbers. :-o

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you must not know the RCL very well...

every team in RCL 2 would win OPL NPL Division...

most of the RCL 3 teams would be competitive in OPL NPL Division

This is BS. The top teams in either OYSA or OPL could play in RCL1. They wouldn't win it and would likely be in positions 6-8 but they would be RCL1. After the top couple of teams in each league, then you are getting into RCL2 territory.

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First off, PFC is maybe, what, five years old? So not much of a history yet.

Next, they have played a lot in OPL and have done pretty well, IIRC.

Anyway, what is the club in this (Vancouver) area with a "real development program"? You can't tell us it's Timbers. :-o

PFC has been around for a long time, just not under that name. Remember Chinook and Tri-Mountain before them? Those two merged to form PFC in 2010. PFC teams have always been 2nd division or lower in the OPL (until now with the split leagues).

And I agree, Timbers does not have a "real development program". That's why there are so many WA license plates in the parking lot at Liberty HS every night of the week.

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You'll see. It's always the same. Just give it time. If telling the truth makes me a "loser", so be it. I've been through this many times over the years and I've listened to countless parents tell me "I wish we had moved a year (or two) earlier".

Of course they all say that once they move. But what club retains 90, 80 even %50 of their team from the lower ages. None. If these clubs were so special, they would retain those kids. Its portland, kids migrate to the team that is best at that age. It could be any club that has "that" team. If they developed kids, then they would not need to pick up kids. So give it a rest.

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I thought WT FC is no longer an RCL club, just an "affiliate". Not sure what that means beyond that they no longer get to place teams at D2 to start anymore.

How does PSPL measure up to RCL? I hear that their top tier is between RCL 1 and 2.

WT FC is no longer a full voting member of the RCL. They can no longer place teams in the league until U13, and then only in the lowest division available.

The PSPL is not as strong as the RCL. There are a couple of good teams at each age group but the depth isn't there like in the RCL. And many of the PSPL teams are in eastern WA (Spokane and Tri-Cities).

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Of course they all say that once they move. But what club retains 90, 80 even %50 of their team from the lower ages. None. If these clubs were so special, they would retain those kids. Its portland, kids migrate to the team that is best at that age. It could be any club that has "that" team. If they developed kids, then they would not need to pick up kids. So give it a rest.

Except that it doesn't happen that way. There are 3 "destination" clubs that all girls migrate to as they get older - FCP, THUSC, Crossfire. That's it. All of the other clubs lose players and whole teams as they age. That's why those 3 can always field multiple teams even at the HS ages and fill a whole league just themselves while the TA clubs would be lucky to field 1 HS age team total.

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PFC teams have always been 2nd division or lower in the OPL (until now with the split leagues).

Do a little more homework and you'll see that this is not true.

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Do a little more homework and you'll see that this is not true.

Maybe "always" was a little strong. How about 99% of the teams.

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WT FC is no longer a full voting member of the RCL. They can no longer place teams in the league until U13, and then only in the lowest division available.

The PSPL is not as strong as the RCL. There are a couple of good teams at each age group but the depth isn't there like in the RCL. And many of the PSPL teams are in eastern WA (Spokane and Tri-Cities).

PSPL not as strong as RCL 1 but look at lastplanet's rankings (on WA premier website) and their top tier is at 1 or 2.

It could be that PSPL has a lot of Eastern W but more likely it depends on your age and gender group. Are you saying that you travel more with PSPL? Doubt it. I don't know one RCL team that doesn't have to travel east at least once a season.

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Maybe "always" was a little strong. How about 99% of the teams.

More homework needed.