OYSA promoting US Club Soccer???

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USYS has already conceded that they are losing in the top level of soccer nation wide. It isn't just in Oregon.

Actually they have done nothing of the kind. They recognize that their are some major competitors to their services and those two competitors are not OPL affiliated:

ECNL and Academy. Amazing that people will believe just about anything.

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So, what don't I get. Take my situation and explain where I am wrong. I know, I need to understand how great it is that they are trying to put the kids ahead of their pride but this is complete BS. In the real business world, you can look to improve and even from your competitors, but you never do what is being done in this example. Just like my examples that are laughable, they are exactly equivalent to the topic we are discussing.

Real leaders at top-notch companies do something different, not just better.

Listen, USYSA is the largest soccer organization on the planet under FIFA. I don't see the problem with the largest organization working with a much smaller organization to better the soccer world here in the United States. They both have great ideas and I believe that they both want to work together in order to better the game. You, on the other hand think differently.
For example - I have taken coaching courses on both sides of the spectrum....I have my national "B" which I received through USYSA and my Premier Diploma which I received from NSCAA - both organizations are good, they work together and they have the same ultimate goal - to make the game better and to help it grow.

USYSA has lost some of it's competitiveness in the past 5 years with US Club taking some good clubs. What you don't understand is there is a shift heading back to USYSA that is starting in 2014.....and believe it or not it's coming from the big guy himself - Klinnsman
He is changing the landscape...don't worry, you don't have to follow. You can stay in the 80's and live the dream, play some Van Halen and enjoy life...you will be left behind.

MLS runs 50% of Premier Soccer now in the US....it will keep growing. If you think that you know more than Klinnsman than you need to apply for that job and give your thoughts on how US Soccer should be run.

Klinnsman has stated numerous times that the problem with US Soccer is that there are too many outlets or ways to develop and find players....the US needs to streamline and create one way....all entities need to work together and develop the same curriculum....

this is what the future is.....get used to it

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USYSA has lost some of it's competitiveness in the past 5 years with US Club taking some good clubs. What you don't understand is there is a shift heading back to USYSA that is starting in 2014.....and believe it or not it's coming from the big guy himself - Klinnsman
He is changing the landscape...don't worry, you don't have to follow. You can stay in the 80's and live the dream, play some Van Halen and enjoy life...you will be left behind.

MLS runs 50% of Premier Soccer now in the US....it will keep growing. If you think that you know more than Klinnsman than you need to apply for that job and give your thoughts on how US Soccer should be run.

Klinnsman has stated numerous times that the problem with US Soccer is that there are too many outlets or ways to develop and find players....the US needs to streamline and create one way....all entities need to work together and develop the same curriculum....

this is what the future is.....get used to it

Holy hyperbole, Batman! Please provide links to support even 1 of your assertions above.

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So, what don't I get. Take my situation and explain where I am wrong. I know, I need to understand how great it is that they are trying to put the kids ahead of their pride but this is complete BS. In the real business world, you can look to improve and even from your competitors, but you never do what is being done in this example. Just like my examples that are laughable, they are exactly equivalent to the topic we are discussing.

Real leaders at top-notch companies do something different, not just better.

OYSA as an organization are members of both US Club, and USYS. OPL Tries to make it seem like they are the sole outlet of US club but they are not.

You are obviously stuck in your archaic business paradigm, but there are many examples of modern businesses cooperating to share best practices.

Also we are not talking about businesses, or manufacturers, we are talking about non-profit service providers. OYSA is not a competitor to US Club, anymore than a business might be a competitor to the US Chamber of Commerce.

The key point however is OPL is trying to build this myth that OYSA is going to exclude everyone, and treat people as second class citizens, yet this is a perfect example of them being open to anyone who is willing to bring value to the table.

Again if you don't get it, there is nothing anyone can do to force your eyes to open, just please don't drive or operate heavy machinery while you are in your fog.

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Hyperbole or not. What this guy doesn't understand is that US Club forced USYS to change. USYS was stuck in the *pick your decade*, while US Club changed the model. USYS is not just catching up to US Club.

Even if USYS overtakes US Club the reality is that the changes have been positive. Hopefully all soccer reunites and we have modernized the system.

OPL vs OYSA is the same. OPL force OYSA to modernize. It was stuck and broken. At a minimum, positive changes are happening. The competition between the two leagues will has already initiated positive change like shifting to smaller side games and free PDP programs.

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OPL vs OYSA is the same. OPL force OYSA to modernize. It was stuck and broken. At a minimum, positive changes are happening. The competition between the two leagues will has already initiated positive change like shifting to smaller side games and free PDP programs.

As I recall, the small sided game issue was the original catalyst to the formation of the OPL. They did not agree.

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OYSA as an organization are members of both US Club, and USYS. OPL Tries to make it seem like they are the sole outlet of US club but they are not.

You are obviously stuck in your archaic business paradigm, but there are many examples of modern businesses cooperating to share best practices.

Also we are not talking about businesses, or manufacturers, we are talking about non-profit service providers. OYSA is not a competitor to US Club, anymore than a business might be a competitor to the US Chamber of Commerce.

The key point however is OPL is trying to build this myth that OYSA is going to exclude everyone, and treat people as second class citizens, yet this is a perfect example of them being open to anyone who is willing to bring value to the table.

Again if you don't get it, there is nothing anyone can do to force your eyes to open, just please don't drive or operate heavy machinery while you are in your fog.

You are mistaken in that you think OYSA is a member of US Club. It amps up through USYS. Clubs who compete in the OYSA can compete in the OPL or any sanctioned USYS or US Club event. There is nothing restricting this for teams, coaches, or players.

OYSA -> USYS -> USSF
OPL -> US Club -> USSF

You are also mistaken if you think these governing bodies are not competing.

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As I recall, the small sided game issue was the original catalyst to the formation of the OPL. They did not agree.

And now those SAME people have changed their minds and are going back to OYSA.

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And now those SAME people have changed their minds and are going back to OYSA.

Maybe they recognized the epic fail. At some point you have to cut your losses.

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OPL vs OYSA is the same. OPL force OYSA to modernize. It was stuck and broken. At a minimum, positive changes are happening. The competition between the two leagues will has already initiated positive change like shifting to smaller side games and free PDP programs.

The OPL forced OYSA to modernize by shifting to smaller sided games?

You do realize that OPL from day one was resolute that small sided games should not be mandated. This is why they started their own league. Using your logic it would seem that OPL forced OYSA to delay modernization while they collected some extra fees and felt like big shots.

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The OPL forced OYSA to modernize by shifting to smaller sided games?

You do realize that OPL from day one was resolute that small sided games should not be mandated. This is why they started their own league. Using your logic it would seem that OPL forced OYSA to delay modernization while they collected some extra fees and felt like big shots.

Again again again... it is the SAME PEOPLE who voted against small sided games and to start the OPL that have now had an epiphany and are forcing everyone back to OYSA. Get that through your soggy skull!

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Again again again... it is the SAME PEOPLE who voted against small sided games and to start the OPL that have now had an epiphany and are forcing everyone back to OYSA. Get that through your soggy skull!

Actually, OYSA did not change. The individuals that founded the OPL had a change of heart... so, OPL changed. Now those individuals concede the err of their ways and have chosen to go back.

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Actually, OYSA did not change. The individuals that founded the OPL had a change of heart... so, OPL changed. Now those individuals concede the err of their ways and have chosen to go back.

Or more like they are simply manipulating soccer in Oregon. They could have just as easily pushed the topic within the OPL. They never did.

This is about the Timbers and money. People are just searching for excuses to justify splitting soccer again.

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Or more like they are simply manipulating soccer in Oregon. They could have just as easily pushed the topic within the OPL. They never did.

This is about the Timbers and money. People are just searching for excuses to justify splitting soccer again.

I call such utter bull**** on this simply because there was not good excuse, reason, justification or anything else for the OPL to split off in the first place. Now the wrong is being made right and I am happy to see it.

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I call such utter bull**** on this simply because there was not good excuse, reason, justification or anything else for the OPL to split off in the first place. Now the wrong is being made right and I am happy to see it.

The wrong is only being made 60% right, or wrong, depending on how you look at it.