Timbers-Intern?

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http://www.oregonlive.com/news/orego..._river_default

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This isn't surprising. Someone should contact Steve Duin about the Timbers splitting soccer to profit from youth soccer! GW, the man at the helm, has done this twice now! He is manipulating soccer to his own benefit.

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Timbers under MP have always been a cheap organization, that is no secret.

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Timbers under MP have always been a cheap organization, that is no secret.

But now they've got a new revenue source to help pay for all of these interns.

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unreal

I don't think this is the Timbers MP wants to build, it is him management staff that make him look that way.

In the end it is MP's name and responsibility but a lot of this is probably not under his direct supervision and he is only reactionary to the issue.

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Ok, BOLI gave her a judgment. So some panel of bureaucrats thinks that the law allows her to get paid.

However, I do think this is baloney. The position was advertised as "unpaid". She applied and worked the job. Then she decides she wants to get paid because the job changed a bit. They don't want to pay her. Leave then.

I worked an unpaid internship for a year. Lived at my parents house. We put in 80 hour weeks and all we got at the time was a company credit card for meals and booze. Got incredible experience. Made connections that have benefited be handsomely for the past 25 years. Putting the internship on my resume got me a great position with good firm. Massive benefits.

There were 300 people that wanted my job that would have done it for free.

There is the law and there is the spirit of the unpaid internship.

Just my opinion. By taking the labor action she just got $2k, great! But lots of publicity and an employer that will not be friendly when asked about said employee ("talk to the legal dept").

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Ok, BOLI gave her a judgment. So some panel of bureaucrats thinks that the law allows her to get paid.

However, I do think this is baloney. The position was advertised as "unpaid". She applied and worked the job. Then she decides she wants to get paid because the job changed a bit. They don't want to pay her. Leave then.

I worked an unpaid internship for a year. Lived at my parents house. We put in 80 hour weeks and all we got at the time was a company credit card for meals and booze. Got incredible experience. Made connections that have benefited be handsomely for the past 25 years. Putting the internship on my resume got me a great position with good firm. Massive benefits.

There were 300 people that wanted my job that would have done it for free.

There is the law and there is the spirit of the unpaid internship.

Just my opinion. By taking the labor action she just got $2k, great! But lots of publicity and an employer that will not be friendly when asked about said employee ("talk to the legal dept").

Why in the world would she cooperate with a journalist? These kind of things you keep really confidential so as not to prejudice future employers. If I saw her walk into an interview at my company I would be put off immediately.

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Why in the world would she cooperate with a journalist? These kind of things you keep really confidential so as not to prejudice future employers. If I saw her walk into an interview at my company I would be put off immediately.

BINGO

She spells trouble in the making.

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Don't start defaming this person.

The law is the law. As a business, ignorance isn't an excuse for not following the law.

Paid internships are a thing of the past. Most "good" employers pay interns these days. Of course we are talking about the Timbers here so this is on par of what should be expected.

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Ok, BOLI gave her a judgment. So some panel of bureaucrats thinks that the law allows her to get paid.

However, I do think this is baloney. The position was advertised as "unpaid". She applied and worked the job. Then she decides she wants to get paid because the job changed a bit. They don't want to pay her. Leave then.

I worked an unpaid internship for a year. Lived at my parents house. We put in 80 hour weeks and all we got at the time was a company credit card for meals and booze. Got incredible experience. Made connections that have benefited be handsomely for the past 25 years. Putting the internship on my resume got me a great position with good firm. Massive benefits.

There were 300 people that wanted my job that would have done it for free.

There is the law and there is the spirit of the unpaid internship.

Just my opinion. By taking the labor action she just got $2k, great! But lots of publicity and an employer that will not be friendly when asked about said employee ("talk to the legal dept").

Your use of a credit card for "expenses" is actually a stipend and has no bearing in determining employee-status for internships.

I think that she acted i good faith in your mention of the "spirit of the unpaid internship" because after reading the article, it seems that she agreed that she was learning as she went along performing her "unpaid internship" duties. However, once she was assigned to run soccer camps for the Timbers, then the Timbers failed the Test for Unpaid Interns (See U.S. Department of Labor Wage and Hour Division Fact Sheet #71). Oregon's Technical Assistance for Employers (oregon.gov) also references the FLSA's six check points of trainee/student internships as non-employees under wage and payment laws.

Here is where the Timbers failed the Six-point test:

The Timbers had her perform work at their neighborhood camps. Those camps are run as a relationship between clubs and the Timbers. Prior to the Timbers camp agreement, clubs had paid staff running camps. I know this because I was a paid part-time staffer at camps. We also had financial aid players work the camps so that they could earn wages to cover some of their club expenses. The Timbers (via Gavin), requested to take over the camps and compensate the clubs for their help.The Timbers, the clubs, and their staffers benefited by earnings collected by camp fees.

Another check point failure was that this "intern" seemed to take on new responsibilities without receiving continual, ongoing immediate supervision and training from her "employer."

"The student receives ongoing instruction at the employer´s work site and receives close on-site supervision throughout the learning experience, with the result that any productive work that the student performs is offset by the burden to the employer from the training and supervision provided "
(http://www.oregon.gov/BOLI/TA/Pages/T_FAQ_Interns.aspx)

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Ok, BOLI gave her a judgment. So some panel of bureaucrats thinks that the law allows her to get paid.

However, I do think this is baloney. The position was advertised as "unpaid". She applied and worked the job. Then she decides she wants to get paid because the job changed a bit. They don't want to pay her. Leave then.

I worked an unpaid internship for a year. Lived at my parents house. We put in 80 hour weeks and all we got at the time was a company credit card for meals and booze. Got incredible experience. Made connections that have benefited be handsomely for the past 25 years. Putting the internship on my resume got me a great position with good firm. Massive benefits.

There were 300 people that wanted my job that would have done it for free.

There is the law and there is the spirit of the unpaid internship.

Just my opinion. By taking the labor action she just got $2k, great! But lots of publicity and an employer that will not be friendly when asked about said employee ("talk to the legal dept").

Idiot. You are the type of arogant a-holes that need to change how you treat people. Just because you were treated that way and it worked out for you does not mean it is right. She understood it was unpaid for what she signed up to do and was willing to do it unpaid. They then had her do things that unpaid interns are not allowed to do and was something she didn't agree to do as an intern. She did the right thing by going to management about it and then was let go. That is why she did what she did. If they would of shown some professionalism and respect, she would not have done what she did. I commend her for standing up to these jerks.

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Your use of a credit card for "expenses" is actually a stipend and has no bearing in determining employee-status for internships.

I think that she acted i good faith in your mention of the "spirit of the unpaid internship" because after reading the article, it seems that she agreed that she was learning as she went along performing her "unpaid internship" duties. However, once she was assigned to run soccer camps for the Timbers, then the Timbers failed the Test for Unpaid Interns (See U.S. Department of Labor Wage and Hour Division Fact Sheet #71). Oregon's Technical Assistance for Employers (oregon.gov) also references the FLSA's six check points of trainee/student internships as non-employees under wage and payment laws.

Here is where the Timbers failed the Six-point test:

The Timbers had her perform work at their neighborhood camps. Those camps are run as a relationship between clubs and the Timbers. Prior to the Timbers camp agreement, clubs had paid staff running camps. I know this because I was a paid part-time staffer at camps. We also had financial aid players work the camps so that they could earn wages to cover some of their club expenses. The Timbers (via Gavin), requested to take over the camps and compensate the clubs for their help.The Timbers, the clubs, and their staffers benefited by earnings collected by camp fees.

Another check point failure was that this "intern" seemed to take on new responsibilities without receiving continual, ongoing immediate supervision and training from her "employer."

"The student receives ongoing instruction at the employer´s work site and receives close on-site supervision throughout the learning experience, with the result that any productive work that the student performs is offset by the burden to the employer from the training and supervision provided "
(http://www.oregon.gov/BOLI/TA/Pages/T_FAQ_Interns.aspx)

Employment law is like unions. It does a lot of good but ultimately just as much bad. In my opinion.

Regardless of the law, and that ultimately will be up to a courtroom to consider, she could have left at any point. Boil is not what I consider a fair venue, not by any measure. She never should have worked a minute unpaid when she felt like she deserved to be paid. Go ahead a quote the law all day. The law is not reasonable or fair in my opinion. I think she should have mitigated the situation by not continuing to work unpaid, when she knew the employer wasn't planning to pay her.

I hope the employer wins in a court of law. On principal.

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Idiot. You are the type of arogant a-holes that need to change how you treat people. Just because you were treated that way and it worked out for you does not mean it is right. She understood it was unpaid for what she signed up to do and was willing to do it unpaid. They then had her do things that unpaid interns are not allowed to do and was something she didn't agree to do as an intern. She did the right thing by going to management about it and then was let go. That is why she did what she did. If they would of shown some professionalism and respect, she would not have done what she did. I commend her for standing up to these jerks.

So you were there and saw the actual events? Did you testify at the admin hearings? Or did you glean your facts from a one page internet article? It's funny you insult people when you have NO idea what really happened.

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So you were there and saw the actual events? Did you testify at the admin hearings? Or did you glean your facts from a one page internet article? It's funny you insult people when you have NO idea what really happened.

So we should assume you work for the Timbers and are aware of the facts. This makes sense considering it seems the Timbers have been hard at work on this blog polluting it with their propaganda.

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So we should assume you work for the Timbers and are aware of the facts. This makes sense considering it seems the Timbers have been hard at work on this blog polluting it with their propaganda.

Hahaha. Now that's funny. I am sure the Timbers have nothing better to do than monitor a chat room that has 5-6 guys regularly reading/posting. In fact, I bet the entire Timbers management team is huddled around a computer monitor right now in their situation room deep in the heart of Timbers HQ, guzzling coffee and hanging on every post here. Teams of lawyers and PR people pace outside the room to spring into action the minute they are summoned. I'm sure they probably spent 10-12 hours a day reading the highly informative posts here.