2013 Fall Surf Cup

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So is this the primary motivation to attend Surf Cup? It seems like for the older kids (girls anyway) that they have all committed by the time they are 17 so if this were the reason then it would be a waste of time and money. I think that the primary reason teams like Surf Cup is to get a team accolade if they perform well. It is an excellent rating boost. This is a coach thing.

"...have all committed by the time that they are 17..."

As in 17 of their senior year? Official NCAA commitments happen through signing period during senior year and into the summer. If you're talking about verbal commitments, they mean nothing. BTW, commitments can be nullified if the player is grade/test score deficient by the end of their senior year.

So, attending Surf Cup (girls included) does not harm any player that is a participant. No waste of time and money if the player has done what needs to be done in order to be recruited AND possibly is seen by schools that he/she might not have known about or considered before.

Attendance at a showcase or tournament is not only a "coach thing,"but also a player thing too. If a player is serious about exploring collegiate options, take advantage of opportunities to showcase, but also be well-prepared before, during, and after the games.

Our club has done a lot to help our teams get ready for these showcases by providing our families with help and information. With this advice in hand, our kids are better prepared for the experiences. Best of luck to those players that showcase and are communicating with schools!

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If you actually had a player in the Surf College Cup, you would know 2 basic things:

1. A team doesn't get a spot in the College Cup unless they have done well that season, hence the team matters so that your player can be seen, and

2. College coaches are mainly found at the games between teams doing well, not at games where the teams playing are not doing well at the showcase.

So, if you can understand, team success truly does matter so your player will be seen.

Regarding your point 2., I know firsthand that college coaches can be pulled away from watching games between teams doing well, if you know how to approach coaches and invite them to other games. I've done it and had coaches leave one (San Diego County) tournament to watch players playing in another tournament. We also had one of our boys' second teams at summer Surf one year, and were able to pull coaches away from nearby games (including Far West League) games, to watch a couple of games. Lastly, a few college coaches are also club coaches, so inviting their teams to do friendlies doesn't hurt either.

There are ways to be seen beyond the traditional 'order' of observation and recruiting.

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"...have all committed by the time that they are 17..."

As in 17 of their senior year? Official NCAA commitments happen through signing period during senior year and into the summer. If you're talking about verbal commitments, they mean nothing. BTW, commitments can be nullified if the player is grade/test score deficient by the end of their senior year.

So, attending Surf Cup (girls included) does not harm any player that is a participant. No waste of time and money if the player has done what needs to be done in order to be recruited AND possibly is seen by schools that he/she might not have known about or considered before.

Attendance at a showcase or tournament is not only a "coach thing,"but also a player thing too. If a player is serious about exploring collegiate options, take advantage of opportunities to showcase, but also be well-prepared before, during, and after the games.

Our club has done a lot to help our teams get ready for these showcases by providing our families with help and information. With this advice in hand, our kids are better prepared for the experiences. Best of luck to those players that showcase and are communicating with schools!

This is correct.

However, the reality is, that if there is an offer and a commitment, MOST of the time those are honored by both parties, however there are exceptions.

This year it seems like the 16s are wide open nearly every school we spoke with has yet to make an offer to them. However I know that isn't the case with every school. And in asking players who are at various schools, many said their offer didn't come until the end of the sophomore season or the beginning of the junior season. Therefore, Surf is important for both U16s and U17s. Now for U18s, I suspect it is a little less for recruiting and more for going to a tournament with great teams. However, I am sure that some kids don't commit until they are a U18.

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This is correct.

However, the reality is, that if there is an offer and a commitment, MOST of the time those are honored by both parties, however there are exceptions.

This year it seems like the 16s are wide open nearly every school we spoke with has yet to make an offer to them. However I know that isn't the case with every school. And in asking players who are at various schools, many said their offer didn't come until the end of the sophomore season or the beginning of the junior season. Therefore, Surf is important for both U16s and U17s. Now for U18s, I suspect it is a little less for recruiting and more for going to a tournament with great teams. However, I am sure that some kids don't commit until they are a U18.

You missed one important aspect, those that are committed also attend these tournaments to help those who have yet to commit, get seen by coaches in the best light possible. My DD committed pretty early and then was followed by several others on her team. They all met with the coaches to let them know they would continue to play hard and help the other girls look their best. True teamwork.

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You missed one important aspect, those that are committed also attend these tournaments to help those who have yet to commit, get seen by coaches in the best light possible. My DD committed pretty early and then was followed by several others on her team. They all met with the coaches to let them know they would continue to play hard and help the other girls look their best. True teamwork.

Good point.

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we only had about 600 coaches for girls at Nomads. I asked a coach why there are so few. she indicated that they were only interested in one team, onyx, &, since they were not there, not too many people wanted to come to the tournament. proof that onyx is the best team in the country . Get over yourselves onyx haters

I am tired of the veiled attacks upon the best team in Oregon. If Onyx had competed at Nomads, we would have won a few games. Instead, our girls were bulking up and getting ready for spring soccer. rugby will always be an alternative for us. go Onyx.

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I am tired of the veiled attacks upon the best team in Oregon. If Onyx had competed at Nomads, we would have won a few games. Instead, our girls were bulking up and getting ready for spring soccer. rugby will always be an alternative for us. go Onyx.

C'mon now. Please let your vendetta rest and focus on good conversation and information sharing on this forum. Time to grow up and act objectively.

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I am tired of the veiled attacks upon the best team in Oregon. If Onyx had competed at Nomads, we would have won a few games. Instead, our girls were bulking up and getting ready for spring soccer. rugby will always be an alternative for us. go Onyx.

I don't know who you are, but you always make me chuckle with the over the top comments. I do find it interesting that they didn't go down over thanksgiving. Of course they know that having only a week or so to prepare is a big challenge, one they didn't want to take on.

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What?

Regarding your point 2., I know firsthand that college coaches can be pulled away from watching games between teams doing well, if you know how to approach coaches and invite them to other games. I've done it and had coaches leave one (San Diego County) tournament to watch players playing in another tournament. We also had one of our boys' second teams at summer Surf one year, and were able to pull coaches away from nearby games (including Far West League) games, to watch a couple of games. Lastly, a few college coaches are also club coaches, so inviting their teams to do friendlies doesn't hurt either.

There are ways to be seen beyond the traditional 'order' of observation and recruiting.

A typical jackass comment that some how you know more than every one else. Absolute BS. Real coaches don't talk to parents at tournaments. You don't know anything. A real college coach knows what players he/she is going to observe and may find a worthy player while watching the game. Youth coaches may try to influence a college coach to watch their players, but it rarely works. You simply didn't do what you claim you did, unless it was a community college coach.

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A typical jackass comment that some how you know more than every one else. Absolute BS. Real coaches don't talk to parents at tournaments. You don't know anything. A real college coach knows what players he/she is going to observe and may find a worthy player while watching the game. Youth coaches may try to influence a college coach to watch their players, but it rarely works. You simply didn't do what you claim you did, unless it was a community college coach.

They do if you know them. It's not that other poster's fault that they won't talk to you. There's no need to be rude about it.

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A typical jackass comment that some how you know more than every one else. Absolute BS. Real coaches don't talk to parents at tournaments. You don't know anything. A real college coach knows what players he/she is going to observe and may find a worthy player while watching the game. Youth coaches may try to influence a college coach to watch their players, but it rarely works. You simply didn't do what you claim you did, unless it was a community college coach.

You made an assumption that I am a parent. Wrong. I haven't coached for years.

There are other people in other positions that know and advise student athletes and do talk with recruiters. I do talk with recruiters at showcases and tournaments. I've also talked to recruiters during conferences and club-sponsored combines and kick-arounds.

You can waste your time calling me names and disbelieving what I do. No matter. There are plenty of us out at these showcases in our roles as student-athlete supporter services.
My methods work and are legitimate and legal. As a matter of fact, I stress the point to parents to not approach recruiters. I also tell recruiters that I don't know, right off the bat, that I am not a parent with a team.

BTW,I am not with a community college, but to slam a community college coach is a sad statement on your behalf. I would to see you make that statement to Mike Pantalione and Hugh Bell. Go tell some NCAA university staffers that formerly worked under Mike what you think of community college coaches. Make the same statement to former players, Mike Randolph (former LA Galaxy), Alan Gordon (San Jose Earthquakes, transfer to OSU and 2-time PAC 10 honors), Avery John (former New England Revolution, D.C. United, transfer to American University), Roger Espinoza (former (Sporting)Kansas City Wizards, transfer to Ohio State & College Cup team finalist), Irving Garcia (former Chicago Red Bulls, transfer to U.C. Irvine), Justin Meram (Columbus Crew, transfer to University of Michigan).

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You made an assumption that I am a parent. Wrong. I haven't coached for years.

There are other people in other positions that know and advise student athletes and do talk with recruiters. I do talk with recruiters at showcases and tournaments. I've also talked to recruiters during conferences and club-sponsored combines and kick-arounds.

You can waste your time calling me names and disbelieving what I do. No matter. There are plenty of us out at these showcases in our roles as student-athlete supporter services.
My methods work and are legitimate and legal. As a matter of fact, I stress the point to parents to not approach recruiters. I also tell recruiters that I don't know, right off the bat, that I am not a parent with a team.

BTW,I am not with a community college, but to slam a community college coach is a sad statement on your behalf. I would to see you make that statement to Mike Pantalione and Hugh Bell. Go tell some NCAA university staffers that formerly worked under Mike what you think of community college coaches. Make the same statement to former players, Mike Randolph (former LA Galaxy), Alan Gordon (San Jose Earthquakes, transfer to OSU and 2-time PAC 10 honors), Avery John (former New England Revolution, D.C. United, transfer to American University), Roger Espinoza (former (Sporting)Kansas City Wizards, transfer to Ohio State & College Cup team finalist), Irving Garcia (former Chicago Red Bulls, transfer to U.C. Irvine), Justin Meram (Columbus Crew, transfer to University of Michigan).

That's an interesting role, and a valuable one. Do you do it for a particular club, or if you are at a showcase do you try to help out on behalf of all Oregon players? I assume that you are somewhat known in that the coaches would trust you and your judgement. I don't have a lot of experience with coaches, but I do know that they take information from trusted sources, but don't take information from sources they don't know. The coaching world is amazingly small as every club coach I know seems to know dozens of college coaches. The network is very tight.

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I don't know who you are, but you always make me chuckle with the over the top comments. I do find it interesting that they didn't go down over thanksgiving. Of course they know that having only a week or so to prepare is a big challenge, one they didn't want to take on.

Onyx, along with other THUSC teams are in North Carolina right now for the CASL. They did not go down to Surf for Thanksgiving, because THUSC temas were in NorCal for a tournament. Right after the highschool is a big time of year for travel at THUSC. They attend many college showcases prior to the NLI signing in February. It has always been that way at THUSC. THe same can be said for FCP and OSSA.

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Onyx, along with other THUSC teams are in North Carolina right now for the CASL. They did not go down to Surf for Thanksgiving, because THUSC temas were in NorCal for a tournament. Right after the highschool is a big time of year for travel at THUSC. They attend many college showcases prior to the NLI signing in February. It has always been that way at THUSC. THe same can be said for FCP and OSSA.

What other THUSC teams are in NC? I just glanced through the tournament list and didn't see any others.

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What other THUSC teams are in NC? I just glanced through the tournament list and didn't see any others.

Sodium and Onyx is all I know.