What does an OPL club lose going to OYSA

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That comment was priceless. So RESULTS mean nuuuthing and your opinion of the future means more?

Yes we will know the COST of either choice this Summer but right now the ONLY thing we KNOW is where the best have chosen to play and that is not a debate.

Yes, results from one Fall season is worthless. But it does show how all knowing you are.

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Yes, results from one Fall season is worthless. But it does show how all knowing you are.

Keep thinking that if it makes you feel better.

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That comment was priceless. So RESULTS mean nuuuthing and your opinion of the future means more?

Yes we will know the COST of either choice this Summer but right now the ONLY thing we KNOW is where the best have chosen to play and that is not a debate.

Exactly. Please. Stay where you are. Dont move.

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You can put up all of the one time snapshots from fall season all you want. It means squat. The only way you'll know is OPL teams playing OYSA teams in tournaments. Until then your just all talk.

How about we put up snapshots of OPL results from the past three years? Four? Will that do? When does the body of data from fall league play matter? Never?

Why do you suppose Westside or Eastside were tapped to be a TA club? Because they lose every fall? Because their training is poor? Wrong. When it comes to boys, the RESULTS of week in and week out play in the fall season is a FAR BETTER indication of success and strength than a few games over a single weekend in a single tournament. That said, if you want, pull up the results of the top summer tournis this year too. TA boys clubs win.

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How about we put up snapshots of OPL results from the past three years? Four? Will that do? When does the body of data from fall league play matter? Never?

Why do you suppose Westside or Eastside were tapped to be a TA club? Because they lose every fall? Because their training is poor? Wrong. When it comes to boys, the RESULTS of week in and week out play in the fall season is a FAR BETTER indication of success and strength than a few games over a single weekend in a single tournament. That said, if you want, pull up the results of the top summer tournis this year too. TA boys clubs win.

WST, FC Portland and to a lesser degree EST. Unfortunately WST and EST is at the expense of their girls program. I will never understand why parents send their daughters to either of these clubs.

[Slow Xavi]

Right. But more importantly, playing weak teams REALLY isnt good for development either. Do you hear of great coaches using friendlies or scrimmages with "bad" teams to prep winning ones? Fool.

I think good coaches put a great deal of effort into thinking about what level of push their team (and individual players) need at any given time - some times that means playing against the big kid on the block, some times means playing against someone else.

Sounds like some people are now just a shill for weak competition in the OPL. No one believes this sycophantic tripe, do they? I hate a person who clearly cant analyse something for what it is - without self serving bias.

I like ham?

When the top winning teams, now I am talking boys in the younger U ages, leave, competition will suffer, GREATLY.

Dont believe me? Just go out to the OPL site and review the top teams in each of the boys fall league play for this year. Many are gone, M A N Y. So, if you are happy with LESS competition, and feel, not getting beat is the greatest benefit and path to DEVELOPMENT, then, by all means, keep them in the OPL. But if you have a talented player, are sick of middle of the road results, and now face a league of far less competitive play, then now is the time to seek green pitches. My opinion. And no,I dont work for OYSA, the Timbers, or any TA club or any club for that matter. Think people. Think hard.

I don't think the split leagues is good for soccer in this state - I think it is small tragedy - but at this point we are half pregnant with it.

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The test is not back

I think good coaches put a great deal of effort into thinking about what level of push their team (and individual players) need at any given time - some times that means playing against the big kid on the block, some times means playing against someone else.


I don't think the split leagues is good for soccer in this state - I think it is small tragedy - but at this point we are half pregnant with it.

Actually no "we" are not pregnant yet. There is still time for the OPL non OPC clubs to send a loud and clear message and join OYSA for the winter league. If that happened the remaining OPL clubs would be left with only 5 "A" teams to play regardless of quality.

Continuing the split without being able to demonstrate or enumerate clear and identifiable benefits to their members is a disservice to the parents and players of the OPL. When the 800 pound gorilla in the room picks the other league you have to be able to explain the benefits and describe a survival plan.

So far all we get is "they stunk in the past". No clear business plan on how they are going to provide competition that does NOT include even more travel than to Bend, Eugene and Medford.

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How about we put up snapshots of OPL results from the past three years? Four? Will that do? When does the body of data from fall league play matter? Never?

Why do you suppose Westside or Eastside were tapped to be a TA club? Because they lose every fall? Because their training is poor? Wrong. When it comes to boys, the RESULTS of week in and week out play in the fall season is a FAR BETTER indication of success and strength than a few games over a single weekend in a single tournament. That said, if you want, pull up the results of the top summer tournis this year too. TA boys clubs win.

Careful with this argument, because if you complain "their success was rooted in OPL, then for the older teams, the liver pools, the internationals, the Galacticos, etc. their success actually dates back to pre-OPL. So then is their success a product of OYSA? Realistically a teams success has very little to do with the league they play in. The league provides competition, and so a team should choose the level right for them... Other than that a leagues "contribution" to the success of a team is little to none.

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How about we put up snapshots of OPL results from the past three years? Four? Will that do? When does the body of data from fall league play matter? Never?

Why do you suppose Westside or Eastside were tapped to be a TA club? Because they lose every fall? Because their training is poor? Wrong. When it comes to boys, the RESULTS of week in and week out play in the fall season is a FAR BETTER indication of success and strength than a few games over a single weekend in a single tournament. That said, if you want, pull up the results of the top summer tournis this year too. TA boys clubs win.

Considering they let any club who wishes become a TA club there is NO standard. LOL!!

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Considering they let any club who wishes become a TA club there is NO standard. LOL!!

Hey look, it's LOL bozo again!!!

[Slow Xavi]

Actually no "we" are not pregnant yet.

My post assumed the undecideds don't break one way or another in big numbers. That is an assumption, not a prediction: as wise man says, "we shall see".

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It soul

The answer to your question. What does an OPL lose by going back to OYSA. Its soul.

In OYSA you will be defined as Timbers Club or a 2nd class club.

OPL clubs or US Club clubs can direct their own future and develop players based on those players need and no the big green machine.

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So as one of the non Timber clubs you are SCARED

The answer to your question. What does an OPL lose by going back to OYSA. Its soul.

In OYSA you will be defined as Timbers Club or a 2nd class club.

OPL clubs or US Club clubs can direct their own future and develop players based on those players need and no the big green machine.

Wow what a display of confidence! Your assumption that as a non TA club you would get run over ...like the OYSA would let that happen......

Booo did ya pee yer pants?

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The answer to your question. What does an OPL lose by going back to OYSA. Its soul.

In OYSA you will be defined as Timbers Club or a 2nd class club.

OPL clubs or US Club clubs can direct their own future and develop players based on those players need and no the big green machine.

Our club has played in the OPL since its formation and we have never had a voice or vote, so how can you claim we direct our own future? Maybe for the OPC clubs this is true, but for the rest of us, this is a lie.

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You have a choice NOW

Our club has played in the OPL since its formation and we have never had a voice or vote, so how can you claim we direct our own future? Maybe for the OPC clubs this is true, but for the rest of us, this is a lie.

Right now your club and team have a choice to LEAVE the OPL. Call a parent meeting before its too late!