What does an OPL club lose going to OYSA

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I really need an OPL supporter to explain to me what is "lost" by rejoining the OYSA?

Self respect? Compromised principles?

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Good one

Self respect? Compromised principles?

That would require that you had either to begin with! how about delivering on the PROMISES you made when you tore OR soccer apart the first time?

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That would require that you had either to begin with! how about delivering on the PROMISES you made when you tore OR soccer apart the first time?

And this is the battle OPL will continue to fight and lose. They made promises about how they were going to improve Oregon's top level soccer. Now they are being abandoned not only by a majority of teams but by original members of their organization. If OPL hopes to keep any relevance they will have to do it through creating an "alliance like" organization for Girls competitive teams. If that doesn't fit their vision, then it is time for them to close their doors and move on.

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And this is the battle OPL will continue to fight and lose. They made promises about how they were going to improve Oregon's top level soccer. Now they are being abandoned not only by a majority of teams but by original members of their organization. If OPL hopes to keep any relevance they will have to do it through creating an "alliance like" organization for Girls competitive teams. If that doesn't fit their vision, then it is time for them to close their doors and move on.

Be careful what you wish for. Your TA team actually has a chance of winning something now that you've split off from the OPL. You shouldn't be so anxious to have the rest of the OPL clubs join you...

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That would require that you had either to begin with! how about delivering on the PROMISES you made when you tore OR soccer apart the first time?

Totally agree, but I will say in OPL's defense it is very hard to transition roles from the revolutionary breakaway to become a creator/sustainer of a new system. Sometimes after the revolution is done, the revolutionary has to pack up and let the system heal itself

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Again, I was talking about those B & C teams, not Premiere, not NWCL. I was referring to those lower level teams. The ones that you need to support the club with.

It's the B and C teams that travel now with OPL, the bulk (not all) of the top teams come from portland metro area. Look at the schedules from last fall.

[Unregistered]

The problem with returning to OYSA is why. There is no downside to reuniting Oregon soccer under a single umbrella. The problem is GW and the Timbers bias for their TA clubs. Non-TA clubs will play second fiddle in the league and representation. The other problem is that this move is rooted in GW and Timbers greed. They want to subsidize their DA program.

Instead of giving back for the good of the game, the Timbers want to take and profit from the youth game.

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The primary risk is having to play a bunch of Timbers teams who all play super direct which can be a challenge when you’re trying to actually teach the kids to play. You also risk getting further into a culture that only values wins which leads to direct play and lack of player development. Plus you have to listen to the timbers coaches yell at their players the entire match.
You also put yourself into a situation of the unknown; we really don’t know how the OYSA / Timbers league is going to shake out. In fact they don’t even know how everything is going to run seeing as how they won’t even step up and make the decisions; had to get some committees going to call the shots. Which is a joke as now the money you are paying your club staff is being used to pay them to figure out how this league should run and what it values; this is a job that should be done by the league and its management team.

[Unregistered]

The problem with returning to OYSA is why. There is no downside to reuniting Oregon soccer under a single umbrella. The problem is GW and the Timbers bias for their TA clubs. Non-TA clubs will play second fiddle in the league and representation. The other problem is that this move is rooted in GW and Timbers greed. They want to subsidize their DA program.

Instead of giving back for the good of the game, the Timbers want to take and profit from the youth game.

Exactly, if the Timbers would not have created the Alliance clubs going back would not be such an issue but then again had they not created the Alliance clubs GW would not have a bunch of puppets to tell what to do.

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Exactly, if the Timbers would not have created the Alliance clubs going back would not be such an issue but then again had they not created the Alliance clubs GW would not have a bunch of puppets to tell what to do.

How is the perceived "power" of the Alliance teams any different that the original Oregon Premier Council OPL member clubs? The difference is that you are likely part of on of those original founding OPL clubs and now you feel like you are on the outside looking in. This is how every other club in the state felt when the OPL was formed.

Personally, I think this whole situation is ridiculous. Say hello to the new boss...pretty much the same as the old boss if you aren't part of the inner circle.

[Unregistered]

I really need an OPL supporter to explain to me what is "lost" by rejoining the OYSA?

I see that by staying out of the OYSA you will not have access to the best competition in either sex.

I see the alternative to getting equal or better competition as being more expensive than rejoining.

I see that some of you risk seeing your boys programs wither on the vine.

So other than having your DOC's call the shots what are the down sides?

Dignity and respect, self worth, individual identity, etc.

[Unregistered]

How is the perceived "power" of the Alliance teams any different that the original Oregon Premier Council OPL member clubs? The difference is that you are likely part of on of those original founding OPL clubs and now you feel like you are on the outside looking in. This is how every other club in the state felt when the OPL was formed.

Personally, I think this whole situation is ridiculous. Say hello to the new boss...pretty much the same as the old boss if you aren't part of the inner circle.

Exactly!! It is all ridiculous and for any of the OPL folks to be righteous or the TA folks either is silly. It's a mess we, as parents and more importantly our kids, must now trudge through.

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The primary risk is having to play a bunch of Timbers teams who all play super direct which can be a challenge when you’re trying to actually teach the kids to play. You also risk getting further into a culture that only values wins which leads to direct play and lack of player development. Plus you have to listen to the timbers coaches yell at their players the entire match.
You also put yourself into a situation of the unknown; we really don’t know how the OYSA / Timbers league is going to shake out. In fact they don’t even know how everything is going to run seeing as how they won’t even step up and make the decisions; had to get some committees going to call the shots. Which is a joke as now the money you are paying your club staff is being used to pay them to figure out how this league should run and what it values; this is a job that should be done by the league and its management team.

You babble out of both sides of your mouth. What are you saying?

You first complain about having to play under the timbers rules, then you complain that what will happen is unknown, they are taking to much input, and our clubs are being asked to have opinions, and gosh darn it they should just tell us what to do.

Your issue is you are standing outside the door, hearing people being asked their opinions, but no-one is asking yours. Reality check here, all you have to do is open the door.

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You babble out of both sides of your mouth. What are you saying?

You first complain about having to play under the timbers rules, then you complain that what will happen is unknown, they are taking to much input, and our clubs are being asked to have opinions, and gosh darn it they should just tell us what to do.

Your issue is you are standing outside the door, hearing people being asked their opinions, but no-one is asking yours. Reality check here, all you have to do is open the door.

Hmmm..

You may want to read my post again. As I stated that I did not have much interest in playing against the TA teams as they play very direct. It’s not a rule that they made rather a choice of valuing winning over player development. Which equates to fast kid upfront play ball to them or every time you’re within 30 yards of the goal go ahead and boot it towards net. This is a bit of a blanket statement and the TA teams do have some quality coaches but it’s a tough sell for them if they want to play creative, possession style soccer. Club gives them a hard time, parents want results now and for the most part by results they mean wins.

Should OYSA tell us what to do, well it would be nice to hear what they value. You see what a person feels has value and worth will tell you what their decisions will be. Example if OYSA / Timbers value the development of creative, perceptive players who are comfortable on the ball they would have already made a commitment to playing small sided games at u-8 to u-13. Instead they may play small sided games, depending upon what the committees decide, so they will make the proper decision as long as it won’t rock the boat.

On opening the door, already been invited in but had to decline as did a number of other people affiliated with local clubs. We have our own responsibilities, leagues and clubs to run and can’t be drug into this again. If you want to be a service provider your really the one who should make the product and put it on the market. Not ask me to make your product so you can sell it to me.

[Slow Xavi]

Hmmm..

You may want to read my post again. As I stated that I did not have much interest in playing against the TA teams as they play excessively direct - a number of future MLSers on those teams over the years. It’s not a rule that they made rather a choice of valuing winning over player development. Which equates to fast kid upfront play ball to them or every time you’re within 30 yards of the goal go ahead and boot it towards net. This is a bit of a blanket statement and the TA teams do have some quality coaches but it’s a tough sell for them if they want to play creative, possession style soccer. Club gives them a hard time, parents want results now and for the most part by results they mean wins.

The only group of TA teams I have seen with some regularity over the years are the older Westside boys teams - I thought they played good soccer. Can't speak to other clubs or younger ages.

Having said that, I don't think playing the highest competition is always the best for development - if I coached a middle of the road u12 boys team, not sure get whipped by TA clubs every week is best for development: yes, teams need to play against stronger competition, at times, but teams need to taste some success as well. For that reason, I wouldn't automatically play in the league with the "best" competition - I think it more important to play in a league where a team is going to taste some success and some difficulty.