Who is the biggest club in pdx?

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If you know that I have no clue, then you must have significant clue. Please enlighten us.

Are we going to actually debate or are you just going to throw stones?

I'm all up for intelligent conversation.

Judging by the first post you had..........you're not only too stupid to realize what you are talking about but are one of the few who actually will post stupidly thinking people will believe your lack of knowledge filled with sub par deductive reasoning.

You certainly won't think anything of it or the majority of idiots on here who are struggling to make sense of the 3-5 years of their kids experience in club soccer. What you don't realize but you soon will, your experience with this will be over before you know it but what will remain is your image of character or lack of intellect to everyone around you.

Enjoy making your beds :)

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Judging by the first post you had..........you're not only too stupid to realize what you are talking about but are one of the few who actually will post stupidly thinking people will believe your lack of knowledge filled with sub par deductive reasoning.

You certainly won't think anything of it or the majority of idiots on here who are struggling to make sense of the 3-5 years of their kids experience in club soccer. What you don't realize but you soon will, your experience with this will be over before you know it but what will remain is your image of character or lack of intellect to everyone around you.

Enjoy making your beds :)

Impossible to debate with people who resort to name calling in the absence of any actual substance to their posts. You have not addressed a single point in my post. If you disagree -- great! -- but explain why and provide a counter point. If you think I lack knowledge then please provide evidence to back up this claim.

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Who won a national title this year?

Who sent the most teams out of state?

Thusc sends teams out of state who can't do well in state. Makes a lot of sense.

Who sent the most teams to Surf and Mustang?

Not the worst question yet it applies to the above. Unless you are a garbage club. Anyone gets into mustang.

Who won the most NWCL titles?

Irrelivent. You can recruit to make a winning team. A winning team at u11 means jack at u15.

Who won the most State finals?

Even more stupidity. You can be awful and still win Oregon state cup. Even then what does it matter?


Who signs the most kids to college?

Good question. However doesnt mean anything when you have a kid who has been developed by one club over 5 years to join another club their last year for showcases while the kid at that Same club was under developed because they have horrible younger age coaches or the coach wanted to win state finals because you really think its important.




Jesus how stupid was the parent who posted this?

Maybe you should ask what teams won the most league games? Or what team wins the most scrimmages.

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Impossible to debate with people who resort to name calling in the absence of any actual substance to their posts. You have not addressed a single point in my post. If you disagree -- great! -- but explain why and provide a counter point. If you think I lack knowledge then please provide evidence to back up this claim.

It's impossible to debate with someone who thinks stupidity is substance. Wouldn't want your head to explode.

Why not start with someone that actually has points. Why not actually start with someone to make people actually think you re not a monkey just thinking your rediculous logic makes sense.

Your first post is all the point in need to make to back up the one I just posted.

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Dear mouthbreather,

Clearly you would rather rate clubs on points you can't quantify that way you can crybaby about how people are idiots and blah blah blah.

Tangible results what clubs should be measured against.

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Dear mouthbreather,

Clearly you would rather rate clubs on points you can't quantify that way you can crybaby about how people are idiots and blah blah blah.

Tangible results what clubs should be measured against.

If you say so? Make sure you find out which club wins the most at u8.

You re so dumb its comical.

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If you say so? Make sure you find out which club wins the most at u8.

You re so dumb its comical.

So silly.... Taking a micro look at this topic is just naive. U8 LOL! How about all the other age groups? You look at the aggregate performance across all age groups.

Again, you simply dodge quantifiable metrics by bringing up fringe examples.

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The very root of our issue is the fact that people are still asking this question, thinking it is relevant. Quantity does not matter. Quality does.

Here is a better question:

Does it matter how many teams Washington Timbers has?

No. Because outside of the top one or two teams at each age group the rest are glorified rec teams, with parent volunteer coaches that have no idea about soccer or coaching. Yet they are all wearing Timbers gear, representing the Timbers brand. But they are not representing well. The Timbers brand should mean something special, but it doesn't in the current set up --- at least, not in a soccer sense. In a marketing sense it is definitely selling more shirts.

Or how about this one:
Is the best team/coach always at the club with the most players? No. One of the best teams in the country came from a club with very few teams. And their players are being scouted by Euro scouts on a daily basis. Why? Because the club/coach developed a quality product.

But, you say, the bigger clubs have the most (insert college players, trophies, etc...):

Yep. And if you through enough wet noodles at a wall something is guaranteed to stick. But it is a game of chance when it needs to be a game of intent and purpose.

We need to start asking better questions.

This is very easy to understand.

There isn't one club in the area that has superior coaching from top to bottom. Each club has barely enough coaches to fill the spots...and yes...this is at every club.
Washington Timbers are a full service club....that is they serve all levels of soccer...***C has two levels - Rec and Advanced Comp....now if you want to call our second or third teams (that play in the second or third division) glorified rec teams than that is fine and your opinion....***C serves everyone...bottomline.

Does it matter how many teams ***C has? YES...the more players the better chance of getting the best athletes....more players is absolutely better.....Seattle United has something like 14000 players...and each year they field better players than 90% of every Oregon team out there.....

Is the best team/coach always at the club with the most players? No. You are absolutely right.....it wouldn't matter if you're the biggest or the smallest club this still holds true...I'm not even quite sure what you mean. The idea is to service all levels of soccer...

I love your noodles analogy....it pretty much answered your first question....it just contradicted your first answer....more players=better off - especially if they are served correctly, which they are at ***C....

***C is in it's infancy but has the best potential of all clubs....a paid GM and a large member group should help this club progress nicely.

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***C never stops trolling this forum do you?

Obviously this thread was started by you. Obviously the thread about "Professionally Run clubs" was started by you. You never stop attacking Salmon Creek and any other club or coach up in Vancouver.

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***C never stops trolling this forum do you?

Obviously this thread was started by you. Obviously the thread about "Professionally Run clubs" was started by you. You never stop attacking Salmon Creek and any other club or coach up in Vancouver.

I have never started a thread on this website. I've never degraded any other club on this forum. If you read my previous post I only talked about the club that my DD is associated with.

I think highly of FCSC - they serve their members well also...if they didn't they wouldn't be around :) Pacific and FCSC do a great job servicing the second and third tiered players in Clark County....we need clubs like you to help grow this great game even bigger!

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A club with that many members you would think that you would have more success. 4,300 members 0 Titles

Just in case you've been hiding under a rock or have a very small brain (either is fine, I won't judge), the club was newly merged between WSA and VT. The membership tally is quite new.

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This is very easy to understand.

There isn't one club in the area that has superior coaching from top to bottom. Each club has barely enough coaches to fill the spots...and yes...this is at every club.
Washington Timbers are a full service club....that is they serve all levels of soccer...***C has two levels - Rec and Advanced Comp....now if you want to call our second or third teams (that play in the second or third division) glorified rec teams than that is fine and your opinion....***C serves everyone...bottomline.

Does it matter how many teams ***C has? YES...the more players the better chance of getting the best athletes....more players is absolutely better.....Seattle United has something like 14000 players...and each year they field better players than 90% of every Oregon team out there.....

Is the best team/coach always at the club with the most players? No. You are absolutely right.....it wouldn't matter if you're the biggest or the smallest club this still holds true...I'm not even quite sure what you mean. The idea is to service all levels of soccer...

I love your noodles analogy....it pretty much answered your first question....it just contradicted your first answer....more players=better off - especially if they are served correctly, which they are at ***C....

***C is in it's infancy but has the best potential of all clubs....a paid GM and a large member group should help this club progress nicely.

The point of the noodle analogy is that when it works it is by chance, not by design.

"the more players the better chance of getting the best athletes" --- this statement embodies so much of what is holding us back as a soccer nation.

My original post was not really about Washington Timbers. Just used them to illustrate the point that the number of players a club has is ultimately not a good indicator of quality.

The Rush franchise boasts the largest membership of any youth club in the world. So what? Doesn't mean that Rush have a good system, just means that they have a lot of players. When you have that many teams you are bound to win some titles. It would be crazy if they didn't. Doesn't mean they are able to replicate that success consistently. Even a broken clock is right twice a day....

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***C never stops trolling this forum do you?

Obviously this thread was started by you. Obviously the thread about "Professionally Run clubs" was started by you. You never stop attacking Salmon Creek and any other club or coach up in Vancouver.

Whoa, I'll jump in. Where did Salmon Creek come from?

Obviously you are a SC parent or coach. No one attacks you. People just simply point out everyday instances in your club. Biting, cheating, recruiting, lying. My kid doesn't even play in Vancouver but very I'm aware of the stuff you "support".

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This is very easy to understand.

There isn't one club in the area that has superior coaching from top to bottom. Each club has barely enough coaches to fill the spots...and yes...this is at every club.
Washington Timbers are a full service club....that is they serve all levels of soccer...***C has two levels - Rec and Advanced Comp....now if you want to call our second or third teams (that play in the second or third division) glorified rec teams than that is fine and your opinion....***C serves everyone...bottomline.

Does it matter how many teams ***C has? YES...the more players the better chance of getting the best athletes....more players is absolutely better.....Seattle United has something like 14000 players...and each year they field better players than 90% of every Oregon team out there.....

Is the best team/coach always at the club with the most players? No. You are absolutely right.....it wouldn't matter if you're the biggest or the smallest club this still holds true...I'm not even quite sure what you mean. The idea is to service all levels of soccer...

I love your noodles analogy....it pretty much answered your first question....it just contradicted your first answer....more players=better off - especially if they are served correctly, which they are at ***C....

***C is in it's infancy but has the best potential of all clubs....a paid GM and a large member group should help this club progress nicely.

Has ***C ever won anything?

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Has ***C ever won anything?

They have won some national titles, but not the top level national titles. So take that for what its worth. They have won some washington state titles in the past, which is much harder to do than winning state in Oregon.

the fact is though, 95% of the clubs in this area can't claim winning really anything. And many of those clubs that have won in the past haven't won anything for a LONG time.

From what I gathered people are just saying that ***C is a big strong club. I'm not sitting here saying they put out the best teams in the area. They have positioned themselves as one of the top 6 clubs in Washington and you could easily put them in that same category in Oregon as well.

We need to stop looking in the past soo much and focus on the future a bit more.