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What's High School soccer?

Well I think when Oregon teams travel to Cali, they same "What is Oregon soccer"
Let's be honest there maybe one or two high level teams u12-u18 and that's it. The most so-called premiere teams are pretty mediocre.

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Well I think when Oregon teams travel to Cali, they same "What is Oregon soccer"
Let's be honest there maybe one or two high level teams u12-u18 and that's it. The most so-called premiere teams are pretty mediocre.

You missed the reference. What's HS soccer means: why are we talking about it now. The season is over. Next year is way off in the future. I'm now worried about club.

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You don't know zip!

Obviously a touchy subject for you that you fire back with an insult based on an assumption. Your "blah, blah, blah" regarding verbals, reinforced by mentioning Class of XX verbals is redundant. I said that verbals are moot in the scheme of things until the NLI is signed and the student athlete meets the requirements of the school and the athletic association.

I've been through the process so many times now, and no, I do not have anyone graduating in 2014. For what its worth, I have coached and provided references for my players. More importantly, I know the recruitment process well, as my kids received a 'tonne' of letters, postcards, and small gifts from schools, alums including former soccer players, (no recruiters); and later, they were given even more interest through verbal offers from recruiters and schools, because of excellent GPAs, test scores, a good mix of AP coursework, and tons of volunteerism. My kids did the ODP thing, were on successful club teams, and had parents that both played collegiate sports. I did work with several Class of 2012 and 2013, who waited until senior year to communicate with recruiters. Too many assumptions made by you!

Verbal offers and commitments are a dime a dozen. Typically, college coaches know one another and share info about who has verbally committed. From the player's parent's perspective and likely his/her coach/club, the verbal offer makes for good boasting material, especially on forums and club/team web sites.

Here are some of the typical issues involved with verbal commitments.

1. A student athlete verbally commits prior to official signing with a school and then does the following:
a. Ceases to look into or consider other schools nearer the signing period.
b. Sees his/her skills and quality of play diminish over time, thus drawing disinterest from the school.
c. The recruiter no longer work for the school (Now what? You start all over and it might be too late).
d. Any verbal offer of a scholarship is moot.
e. No written offer arrives in the player's mail box.
f. After July 1st, going into senior year through graduation or possibly later, the student athlete does not meet NCCA, NAIA, or NJCAA testing requirements for play time, and any available aid.
g. The student athlete does not meet the minimum requirements to gain admission to the college or university. The soccer program might offer you something, but in the end school admissions determines acceptance.
h. The student athlete sustains an injury or injuires over time, e.g., torn acl/pcl/ mcl, concussion. I watched both an OSU and ASU coach walk away from games after being there to observe two players and then not offer anything to those players. They have to fit their needs first and might not want to take chances later.
i., k. Most importantly, student athletes fail to ask the recruiter if the verbal commitment is binding between the two of them and the school. Most importantly, no matter when the student athlete makes the verbal commitment, they sit on their laurels and wait for the recruiter to contact them to close the deal.

To come onto this forum and talk about the players verbally committing in their freshman through junior years means nothing until those players have made sure to have their house in order, so to speak, and sign the NLI if required for that level of play. A verbal does not guarantee acceptance by the school or its soccer program, nor does it guarantee funding. So glad to hear about younger players are being recognized by recruiters-it seems to be happening more so on the girls' side these days. Just be cautious in mentioning verbal commitments as anything can happen/change leading up to signing days.

I don't know where you get your information, but most of it where it counts is useless.

1. No real player waits to commit until their senior year to commit. Soccer players, that is the topic here, will find the following to be true: Boys are approached by college coaches about a year earlier than girls. Decent D-1 programs will approach a player through channels very early. I'm talking about programs that just may snag a high quality player before the top level programs make offers. My PAC-12 DD received her first offer for a full athletic scholarship in January of her sophomore year. She investigated and declined. The coach found another player to replace her quite soon.
2. You keep talking about "recruiters", why? In soccer the coaches, i.e., the head, associate and assistant do the recruiting, not recruiters. Makes me believe you are talking about sports other than soccer.
3. Don't sign up or use a recruiter for soccer, ever. Do what most everyone knows to get recruited by the coaches directly.
4. Actual verbals, not ones fabricated by players & their parents, are not "dime a dozen". That's utter nonsense as the vast majority of soccer verbals do result in the player signing a NLI, (National Letter of Intent), the first Wednesday in February of their senior year.
5. When a player does a verbal, most players start identifying with the college program and actually put more effort into their practices and games. They know where they are going and what the competition, other players, they need to beat for playing time.
6. Your "recruiter no longer works for school" comment is plain stupid. In soccer the coaches do the recruiting and the verbal is made with the head coach. Head coach turnover is low, but it can happen.
7. Verbals are made in good faith by both player and coaches. Real verbals include a college compliance departments written offer of what they are offering. We know its not binding, but the vast majority work out exactly as offered.
8. After a verbal is made by both player and college coaches, the coaches do not want to loose a recruit. The player is filling a spot they need. There is constant communication including the coaches coming to see you play. You are not waiting for the offer to show up. You know its coming since you have constant and direct contact with the college coaching staff.
9. "Student does not qualify". Before the verbal the college coaches ask for a non-official high school transcript. It is reviewed and determined if the player is qualified academically if they continue to do as well until high school graduation as they have done so far. It also allows the school to give you an idea of academic aid based on the parents financial profile, as determined by an unofficial FASFA, and the costs left to pay by the player/parents. If this is not done, it's not much of a soccer program.
10. Injuries do happen. It may cause the college coaches to back out of the verbal. However, many times it does not. This is an indicator of the college coach's personal integrity.
11. Obviously, a player must be admitted to the college. There shouldn't be any doubt about this if the player and the college coaching staff/support staff do their thing correctly.

I find your whole post ignorant and harmful, as it seems you do not understand most anything about the process. I am not talking about community college here, but real colleges with real programs and coaches. I've seen my DD's offers from PAC-12, WCC and other schools. I don't think you have. Talk is cheap, but your information is mainly just wrong. By the way,where did you come up with the constant reference to recruiters? College soccer coaches don't use them. There is no need.

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Obviously a touchy subject for you that you fire back with an insult based on an assumption. Your "blah, blah, blah" regarding verbals, reinforced by mentioning Class of XX verbals is redundant. I said that verbals are moot in the scheme of things until the NLI is signed and the student athlete meets the requirements of the school and the athletic association.

I've been through the process so many times now, and no, I do not have anyone graduating in 2014. For what its worth, I have coached and provided references for my players. More importantly, I know the recruitment process well, as my kids received a 'tonne' of letters, postcards, and small gifts from schools, alums including former soccer players, (no recruiters); and later, they were given even more interest through verbal offers from recruiters and schools, because of excellent GPAs, test scores, a good mix of AP coursework, and tons of volunteerism. My kids did the ODP thing, were on successful club teams, and had parents that both played collegiate sports. I did work with several Class of 2012 and 2013, who waited until senior year to communicate with recruiters. Too many assumptions made by you!

Verbal offers and commitments are a dime a dozen. Typically, college coaches know one another and share info about who has verbally committed. From the player's parent's perspective and likely his/her coach/club, the verbal offer makes for good boasting material, especially on forums and club/team web sites.

Here are some of the typical issues involved with verbal commitments.

1. A student athlete verbally commits prior to official signing with a school and then does the following:
a. Ceases to look into or consider other schools nearer the signing period.
b. Sees his/her skills and quality of play diminish over time, thus drawing disinterest from the school.
c. The recruiter no longer work for the school (Now what? You start all over and it might be too late).
d. Any verbal offer of a scholarship is moot.
e. No written offer arrives in the player's mail box.
f. After July 1st, going into senior year through graduation or possibly later, the student athlete does not meet NCCA, NAIA, or NJCAA testing requirements for play time, and any available aid.
g. The student athlete does not meet the minimum requirements to gain admission to the college or university. The soccer program might offer you something, but in the end school admissions determines acceptance.
h. The student athlete sustains an injury or injuires over time, e.g., torn acl/pcl/ mcl, concussion. I watched both an OSU and ASU coach walk away from games after being there to observe two players and then not offer anything to those players. They have to fit their needs first and might not want to take chances later.
i., k. Most importantly, student athletes fail to ask the recruiter if the verbal commitment is binding between the two of them and the school. Most importantly, no matter when the student athlete makes the verbal commitment, they sit on their laurels and wait for the recruiter to contact them to close the deal.

To come onto this forum and talk about the players verbally committing in their freshman through junior years means nothing until those players have made sure to have their house in order, so to speak, and sign the NLI if required for that level of play. A verbal does not guarantee acceptance by the school or its soccer program, nor does it guarantee funding. So glad to hear about younger players are being recognized by recruiters-it seems to be happening more so on the girls' side these days. Just be cautious in mentioning verbal commitments as anything can happen/change leading up to signing days.

Man, I don't even know where to begin. This is such garbage. See post no. 873 for reality. You really are doing a disservice to anyone who has a child interested in playing in college by posting this crap.

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Man, I don't even know where to begin. This is such garbage. See post no. 873 for reality. You really are doing a disservice to anyone who has a child interested in playing in college by posting this crap.

Agreed. The post read like pure fiction from someone who knows nothing about which they speak.

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Foolish

Obviously a touchy subject for you that you fire back with an insult based on an assumption. Your "blah, blah, blah" regarding verbals, reinforced by mentioning Class of XX verbals is redundant. I said that verbals are moot in the scheme of things until the NLI is signed and the student athlete meets the requirements of the school and the athletic association.

I've been through the process so many times now, and no, I do not have anyone graduating in 2014. For what its worth, I have coached and provided references for my players. More importantly, I know the recruitment process well, as my kids received a 'tonne' of letters, postcards, and small gifts from schools, alums including former soccer players, (no recruiters); and later, they were given even more interest through verbal offers from recruiters and schools, because of excellent GPAs, test scores, a good mix of AP coursework, and tons of volunteerism. My kids did the ODP thing, were on successful club teams, and had parents that both played collegiate sports. I did work with several Class of 2012 and 2013, who waited until senior year to communicate with recruiters. Too many assumptions made by you!

Verbal offers and commitments are a dime a dozen. Typically, college coaches know one another and share info about who has verbally committed. From the player's parent's perspective and likely his/her coach/club, the verbal offer makes for good boasting material, especially on forums and club/team web sites.

Here are some of the typical issues involved with verbal commitments.

1. A student athlete verbally commits prior to official signing with a school and then does the following:
a. Ceases to look into or consider other schools nearer the signing period.
b. Sees his/her skills and quality of play diminish over time, thus drawing disinterest from the school.
c. The recruiter no longer work for the school (Now what? You start all over and it might be too late).
d. Any verbal offer of a scholarship is moot.
e. No written offer arrives in the player's mail box.
f. After July 1st, going into senior year through graduation or possibly later, the student athlete does not meet NCCA, NAIA, or NJCAA testing requirements for play time, and any available aid.
g. The student athlete does not meet the minimum requirements to gain admission to the college or university. The soccer program might offer you something, but in the end school admissions determines acceptance.
h. The student athlete sustains an injury or injuires over time, e.g., torn acl/pcl/ mcl, concussion. I watched both an OSU and ASU coach walk away from games after being there to observe two players and then not offer anything to those players. They have to fit their needs first and might not want to take chances later.
i., k. Most importantly, student athletes fail to ask the recruiter if the verbal commitment is binding between the two of them and the school. Most importantly, no matter when the student athlete makes the verbal commitment, they sit on their laurels and wait for the recruiter to contact them to close the deal.

To come onto this forum and talk about the players verbally committing in their freshman through junior years means nothing until those players have made sure to have their house in order, so to speak, and sign the NLI if required for that level of play. A verbal does not guarantee acceptance by the school or its soccer program, nor does it guarantee funding. So glad to hear about younger players are being recognized by recruiters-it seems to be happening more so on the girls' side these days. Just be cautious in mentioning verbal commitments as anything can happen/change leading up to signing days.

This post is just backwards and I don't believe a single word of it based on the experience that I am currently going through with my daughter who is a Senior and has verbally committed. She came in contact with the College she will be attending the summer before her Junior year. After the High School season of her Junior year, she again traveled to the college and was formally presented with a full packet detailing every aspect of the offer they were giving her. She gave a verbal committment on the spot as she was pretty sure that was the college she wanted to attend from the beginning of the recruitment process, which started her Freshman year. Since this time, she has been in contact with the coach, but it was not until after this Senior season that communication became almost weekly. I think this was because NCAA rules prohibited amount of contact prio to the season's end.

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This post is just backwards and I don't believe a single word of it based on the experience that I am currently going through with my daughter who is a Senior and has verbally committed. She came in contact with the College she will be attending the summer before her Junior year. After the High School season of her Junior year, she again traveled to the college and was formally presented with a full packet detailing every aspect of the offer they were giving her. She gave a verbal committment on the spot as she was pretty sure that was the college she wanted to attend from the beginning of the recruitment process, which started her Freshman year. Since this time, she has been in contact with the coach, but it was not until after this Senior season that communication became almost weekly. I think this was because NCAA rules prohibited amount of contact prio to the season's end.

This is very similar to my DD's situation and the coaches contact has increased exponentially her senior year.

What a fun time for the girls.

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Agreed. The post read like pure fiction from someone who knows nothing about which they speak.

Once issue that they bring up, however, is somewhat accurate. It's the "what do I do now" scenario when a recruiter or coach leaves the program that you have committed to. Sure, the school is the same and players should chose schools first and foremost. But the emotional attachment is with the coach, so if they leave, you better hope for another offer or that you can establish that same attachment to the new coach.

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Once issue that they bring up, however, is somewhat accurate. It's the "what do I do now" scenario when a recruiter or coach leaves the program that you have committed to. Sure, the school is the same and players should chose schools first and foremost. But the emotional attachment is with the coach, so if they leave, you better hope for another offer or that you can establish that same attachment to the new coach.

Didn't University of Oregon change coaches recently? Like maybe last year?

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Didn't University of Oregon change coaches recently? Like maybe last year?

I think Katz first full year was this year.

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Obviously a touchy subject for you that you fire back with an insult based on an assumption. Your "blah, blah, blah" regarding verbals, reinforced by mentioning Class of XX verbals is redundant. I said that verbals are moot in the scheme of things until the NLI is signed and the student athlete meets the requirements of the school and the athletic association.

I've been through the process so many times now, and no, I do not have anyone graduating in 2014. For what its worth, I have coached and provided references for my players. More importantly, I know the recruitment process well, as my kids received a 'tonne' of letters, postcards, and small gifts from schools, alums including former soccer players, (no recruiters); and later, they were given even more interest through verbal offers from recruiters and schools, because of excellent GPAs, test scores, a good mix of AP coursework, and tons of volunteerism. My kids did the ODP thing, were on successful club teams, and had parents that both played collegiate sports. I did work with several Class of 2012 and 2013, who waited until senior year to communicate with recruiters. Too many assumptions made by you!

Verbal offers and commitments are a dime a dozen. Typically, college coaches know one another and share info about who has verbally committed. From the player's parent's perspective and likely his/her coach/club, the verbal offer makes for good boasting material, especially on forums and club/team web sites.

Here are some of the typical issues involved with verbal commitments.

1. A student athlete verbally commits prior to official signing with a school and then does the following:
a. Ceases to look into or consider other schools nearer the signing period.
b. Sees his/her skills and quality of play diminish over time, thus drawing disinterest from the school.
c. The recruiter no longer work for the school (Now what? You start all over and it might be too late).
d. Any verbal offer of a scholarship is moot.
e. No written offer arrives in the player's mail box.
f. After July 1st, going into senior year through graduation or possibly later, the student athlete does not meet NCCA, NAIA, or NJCAA testing requirements for play time, and any available aid.
g. The student athlete does not meet the minimum requirements to gain admission to the college or university. The soccer program might offer you something, but in the end school admissions determines acceptance.
h. The student athlete sustains an injury or injuires over time, e.g., torn acl/pcl/ mcl, concussion. I watched both an OSU and ASU coach walk away from games after being there to observe two players and then not offer anything to those players. They have to fit their needs first and might not want to take chances later.
i., k. Most importantly, student athletes fail to ask the recruiter if the verbal commitment is binding between the two of them and the school. Most importantly, no matter when the student athlete makes the verbal commitment, they sit on their laurels and wait for the recruiter to contact them to close the deal.

To come onto this forum and talk about the players verbally committing in their freshman through junior years means nothing until those players have made sure to have their house in order, so to speak, and sign the NLI if required for that level of play. A verbal does not guarantee acceptance by the school or its soccer program, nor does it guarantee funding. So glad to hear about younger players are being recognized by recruiters-it seems to be happening more so on the girls' side these days. Just be cautious in mentioning verbal commitments as anything can happen/change leading up to signing days.

It's astounding how uninformed this post is.

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I think Katz first full year was this year.

Yes it was. And while she will probably be given 4 years to get that program on track, during each successive year she has to show improvement. I'm not knocking Oregon nor am I knocking any kid who is looking hard at Oregon, but the reality is that you really need to evaluate the program closely before giving your verbal to them. She's done well elsewhere, so you would expect her to do well at UO, however past success is not indicative of any future success. And anyone going there may have to endure the turnover of a coaching staff. Security of the coaching staffs are one of our criteria in looking at schools, which includes D1 through NAIA.