Mount Hood Challenge - Bait and Switch?

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heard the two (Val & Mike), split over $150k between em off just the one tourney.

Good for them. Nike and Adidas split billions of dollars each year selling shoes, shorts, socks & shirts. Local sporting goods stores make tens of millions re-selling these same items.

The Oregon Ducks probably spent more on their football team's 15th helmet option. Sports is big business and, if you live in Portland, you live in the one of the world meccas for sport as a business.

Heck, the Portland Timbers owner's dad is the former CEO of Goldman Sachs and the US Secretary of the Treasury. You think they got into that business because they like the Timbers Army chants?

I don't really understand why you are surprised by the $150k for a youth sporting event. This is chump change in today's overall business of sports.

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Good for them. Nike and Adidas split billions of dollars each year selling shoes, shorts, socks & shirts. Local sporting goods stores make tens of millions re-selling these same items.

The Oregon Ducks probably spent more on their football team's 15th helmet option. Sports is big business and, if you live in Portland, you live in the one of the world meccas for sport as a business.

Heck, the Portland Timbers owner's dad is the former CEO of Goldman Sachs and the US Secretary of the Treasury. You think they got into that business because they like the Timbers Army chants?

I don't really understand why you are surprised by the $150k for a youth sporting event. This is chump change in today's overall business of sports.

all fine and dandy, but those companies aren't riding the shirt tails of a non-profit to do so.

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all fine and dandy, but those companies aren't riding the shirt tails of a non-profit to do so.

A Credit Union is non profit. Take a look at the salaries for their executives. The CEO of Goodwill is also pretty well paid and Goodwill is non profit.

Get over it. If you don't like the tournament or the club then don't participate.

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all fine and dandy, but those companies aren't riding the shirt tails of a non-profit to do so.

Non-profit does not mean you cannot make money. It means the majority of your business is for non-profit. WUSC is a non-profit but they are allowed to do fundraisers, they can take in a huge donation and they can run a large tournament. All clubs can.

And if your club was doing this tournament, you would be giddy with the money it brings in. I would love for our club to have this size tournament.

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heard the two (Val & Mike), split over $150k between em off just the one tourney.

that's it? are you sure it wasn't more?
that would suck if that's all they made....that is not enough profit for what they've built

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all fine and dandy, but those companies aren't riding the shirt tails of a non-profit to do so.

Last time I checked, the U of O and Oregon State are both state owned universities. Keep buying those Nike's and salsa.

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Eg3a9z

The nice lady I spoke to on the phone at WUSC was very matter of fact about my question.

I don't know who either Westlund or Morris actually are, once again can anyone help?

Then you must not have participated in the tournament. If you took the time to call WUSC, then you should take the time to look at the tournament website. It's all very transparent. Why do you care? Get a life.

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I'm running out of troll food so my last comment on this thread

all fine and dandy, but those companies aren't riding the shirt tails of a non-profit to do so.

You have a amazing talent for failing to distinguish between the charitable organization and the for profit enterprise. Using cliches, speaking hyperbolically and sharing rumors does not make something true or valid.

So Mike is making money by providing a service to a non profit. Good for Mike; he's found a market. That the WUSC tournament has grown from under 200 teams to over 600 teams strongly suggests that Mike is providing real value to WUSC. Many for profit businesses make money by providing services to charitable organizations. True, there are limitations but those limitations are very, very narrow and generally relate to "actual" conflicts of interest, not perceived ones, or distributions of money through a shell company under the pretense of providing services. Persons and entities unrelated to the charitable organization--meaning members of the board or key employees of the nonprofit--have no ethical, legal or moral obligation to provide services at a discount or for free. Nor is a charitable organization required to do the work in house.

Someone mentioned, maybe you, that anyone can run a tournament, suggesting paying Mike anything is a misuse of the charitable organization's funds or alternatively that WUSC is acting unethically by charging what it charges for a tournament fee. If it were true that anyone can run a tournament, which is a big "if", then we should expect to see more tournaments in the PDX-Vancouver area with the number of teams that WUSC attracts. We don't, which again supports the value Mike provides to WUSC. Mike has created value for his services by consistently organizing large tournaments and WUSC apparently is willing to pay for that value since it is receiving, I suspect, a lot of additional revenue for its club as the Mt Hood Challenge has grown and it can offload a lot of the details to someone that can obviously handle it quite well.

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Boring Discussion

Really. This is so boring.

Vote with your feet and money. You don't like, don't take part.

The discussion is like so lost in crap.

If the one who is bitching can do a better job, go for it.

Maybe the Oregonian or a TV station will listen to you.

Otherwise, the discussion is just a load in a diaper not getting changed.

Stop feeding this baby and maybe he/she will dry up back to Rec.

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Providing a service is one thing

But being able to run your own for profit business (a youth usys/usclub soccertournament) that you COULD NOT run without the 501c3 status granted to the charitable group called WUSC.

That's not called providing a service.Especially since he DOES NOT PROVIDE THIS SERVICE IN THE REAL BUSINESS WORLD (outside of non-profit youth clubs). Why in God's name would a 'service' ever be limited to only a non-profit soccer club. I know when--when you can avoid the challenges in securing fields and getting the permission to host as private business.

This is just a straight loop-hole being used by a 'service provider' who could never host a tournament on his own and uses WUSC as his conduit to cash.

That's why exactly why these type of Non-Profits are formed. To help out the small businessman who desperately wants to run tournaments but can't afford participant medical insurance coverage, secure access to fields for games and knows he will never be granted permission to host a tournament by USYS or US CLUB soccer.

I love it.

Really how much does a game scheduler actually make for his service?

The other monies to the hotel provider is done outside the 501c3 so what she makes is not public or even given back to the non-profit.

It's a great model if it's legal.

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But being able to run your own for profit business (a youth usys/usclub soccertournament) that you COULD NOT run without the 501c3 status granted to the charitable group called WUSC.

That's not called providing a service.Especially since he DOES NOT PROVIDE THIS SERVICE IN THE REAL BUSINESS WORLD (outside of non-profit youth clubs). Why in God's name would a 'service' ever be limited to only a non-profit soccer club. I know when--when you can avoid the challenges in securing fields and getting the permission to host as private business.

This is just a straight loop-hole being used by a 'service provider' who could never host a tournament on his own and uses WUSC as his conduit to cash.

That's why exactly why these type of Non-Profits are formed. To help out the small businessman who desperately wants to run tournaments but can't afford participant medical insurance coverage, secure access to fields for games and knows he will never be granted permission to host a tournament by USYS or US CLUB soccer.

I love it.

Really how much does a game scheduler actually make for his service?

The other monies to the hotel provider is done outside the 501c3 so what she makes is not public or even given back to the non-profit.

It's a great model if it's legal.

It's ok to pay your coach so why wouldn't it be ok to pay them for their service? All are independant contractors that can be highered and fired at any time.

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Jealousy perhaps?

It's ok to pay your coach so why wouldn't it be ok to pay them for their service? All are independant contractors that can be highered and fired at any time.

Ignorance of the work it takes to put on this big and successful of a tournament only explains half of the hate being posted. The other half is pure economic jealousy. I'm confident that the hater does not make a six figure income otherwise he would appreciate the effort and professionalism required to be that successful.

The lack of appreciation for the experience and connections that have been developed to attract and retain club participation screams from every negative post.

Disclaimer. I am not now nor have I ever been associated with the promoter I just understand how much work is involved.

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I follow most of this

This guy is not running a tournament for WUSC? or is it his tourney.
He is running his business (mt. hood challenge) using the WUSC jurisdiction as a non-profit soccer club that can host tournaments. Correct?

It's really too bad he can't do it on his own, this wouldn't be a discussion.
He would be considered just a great business man.

The reality is WUSC doesn't need this guy, just any independent contractor that can schedule games, most are willing to do it for less than 150K. I'm told.

What 3 to 5 day event requires a 150K service fee? Did this guy bring them the tournament and this is their fee(WUSC) to have him? Sure sounds that way.

No coach would every get paid 150K for the 5-7 days at Regionals even though it took them a year of hard work to accomplish this feat.

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Just a couple of minor points

This guy is not running a tournament for WUSC? or is it his tourney.
He is running his business (mt. hood challenge) using the WUSC jurisdiction as a non-profit soccer club that can host tournaments. Correct?

It's really too bad he can't do it on his own, this wouldn't be a discussion.
He would be considered just a great business man.

The reality is WUSC doesn't need this guy, just any independent contractor that can schedule games, most are willing to do it for less than 150K. I'm told.

What 3 to 5 day event requires a 150K service fee? Did this guy bring them the tournament and this is their fee(WUSC) to have him? Sure sounds that way.

No coach would every get paid 150K for the 5-7 days at Regionals even though it took them a year of hard work to accomplish this feat.

Youth soccer coaches for non-profit clubs are not independent contractors they are employees. Sounds like this guy should at least be an employee for the club as they, the club set the dates for the tourney not him. Independent contractors work at their leisure and set their own schedule, plus a whole bunch of other criteria they must meet with the I.R.S.

Really seems like somebody is pushing the envelope and taking advantage of a club to run their 'own' tournament.

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Youth soccer coaches for non-profit clubs are not independent contractors they are employees. Sounds like this guy should at least be an employee for the club as they, the club set the dates for the tourney not him. Independent contractors work at their leisure and set their own schedule, plus a whole bunch of other criteria they must meet with the I.R.S.

Really seems like somebody is pushing the envelope and taking advantage of a club to run their 'own' tournament.

Well, I have been an ind. contractor and the company you contract with can and most often does set the schedule. You are not only wrong on that point but also the fact that most coaches are in fact contracted. Quit talking out of your arse and stop acting like you know something you clearly do not.