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    State Cup 2013

    Anybody know when they are going to post the brackets and schedules? It always seem like they put them to the last minute. Why??

    #2
    do the math

    I have figured out my club seeding for state cup....the clues are all there for you.....Serpentine seeding is the key......navigate gently thru the back routes of the opl website and you can see the magic.....or you can pm me

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      I have figured out my club seeding for state cup....the clues are all there for you.....Serpentine seeding is the key......navigate gently thru the back routes of the opl website and you can see the magic.....or you can pm me
      That only works if you know who all the teams are and what seeding method they are using. For u11-u14 that's probably pretty easy. Not so easy for the u15-u18 teams, they are still playing their winter league so at what point are they freezing the standings to seed the teams?

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        That only works if you know who all the teams are and what seeding method they are using. For u11-u14 that's probably pretty easy. Not so easy for the u15-u18 teams, they are still playing their winter league so at what point are they freezing the standings to seed the teams?
        I think last year it was the Saturday after spring break was the deadline for roster freeze in the U15 & up group.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          That only works if you know who all the teams are and what seeding method they are using. For u11-u14 that's probably pretty easy. Not so easy for the u15-u18 teams, they are still playing their winter league so at what point are they freezing the standings to seed the teams?
          Seeding based on last year's OPL State Cup semifinalists and then teams based on order of standings through March 17th games.

          Although our team is seeded high as one of last year's semifinalists, I still confusion/issues for all teams with this methodology:

          1. For instance, If there are two 2013 prelims brackets (e.g., 8 teams entered), are the 2012 semifinalists going to be seeded as first & second who advanced to finals being top in the the two 2013 brackets, with the two losers seeded second (based on GD)?
          Or,
          Will last year's semifinalists be placed serpentine fashion by virtue of simply being in the semifinals?
          Or,
          Will 2013 league standings to date be used to determine order of 2012 semifinalists?

          2. 2013 standings to date means that some teams have completed more games than other teams. Doesn't this skew the seeding for state cup? I see teams in our league that have completed their league season while quite a few still have games to go and will definitely end up having more points. This does have an effect on where they start out in the prelims.

          I am content with where we are for state cup but am bringing these points up simply for discussion points. There is no way to accommodate every team due to season and state cup scheduling and field use constraints so I am not complaining. Your thoughts?

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Seeding based on last year's OPL State Cup semifinalists and then teams based on order of standings through March 17th games.

            Although our team is seeded high as one of last year's semifinalists, I still confusion/issues for all teams with this methodology:

            1. For instance, If there are two 2013 prelims brackets (e.g., 8 teams entered), are the 2012 semifinalists going to be seeded as first & second who advanced to finals being top in the the two 2013 brackets, with the two losers seeded second (based on GD)?
            Or,
            Will last year's semifinalists be placed serpentine fashion by virtue of simply being in the semifinals?
            Or,
            Will 2013 league standings to date be used to determine order of 2012 semifinalists?

            2. 2013 standings to date means that some teams have completed more games than other teams. Doesn't this skew the seeding for state cup? I see teams in our league that have completed their league season while quite a few still have games to go and will definitely end up having more points. This does have an effect on where they start out in the prelims.

            I am content with where we are for state cup but am bringing these points up simply for discussion points. There is no way to accommodate every team due to season and state cup scheduling and field use constraints so I am not complaining. Your thoughts?
            WEB site


            2013 Portland Timbers OPL State Cup Brackets

            All brackets (FLIGHTS) are seeded via the serpentine method of, starting with the first seed, going across the brackets to the right, down, and then back across to the left, and so on until all teams were placed.

            U11-U14 teams were seeded based on the order of finish, from top to bottom, in the the 2012 OPL Fall Season Standings.
            U15-U18 teams were seeded based first, on the semi-finalists from the 2012 OPL State Cup, then by the order of placement in the 2013 OPL Winter Season Standings, through March 18.

            In all Brackets, the teams will play as follows:

            3 Team Brackets
            1st seed plays 2nd seed at home and 3rd seed away.
            2nd seed plays 3rd seed at home and 1st seed away.
            3rd seed plays 1st seed at home and 2nd seed away.

            4 Team Brackets
            1st seed playes 2nd and 3rd seeds at home and 4th seed away.
            2nd seed plays 3rd and 4th seeds at home and 1st seed away.
            3rd seed plays 4th seed at home and 1st and 2nd seeds away.
            4th seed plays 1st seed at home and 2nd and 3rd seeds at away.

            5 Team Brackets
            1st seed playes 2nd and 3rd seeds at home, and 4th and 5th seeds away.
            2nd seed plays 3rd and 4th seeds at home, and 1st and 5th seeds away.
            3rd seed plays 4th and 5th seeds at home, and 1st and 2nd seeds away.
            4th seed plays 1st and 5th seeds at home, and 2nd and 3rd seeds away.
            5th seed plays 1st and 2nd seeds at home, and 3rd and 4th seeds away.


            PLAY DATES FOR KNOCKOUT ROUNDS:
            Quarterfinals: April 27
            Semiffinals: April 28
            Finals: May 4

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              #7
              The GU18 seeding will be interesting. 2 of th 4 semi teams from last do not exsist any longer.

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                #8
                late again

                next week maybe

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  I have figured out my club seeding for state cup....the clues are all there for you.....Serpentine seeding is the key......navigate gently thru the back routes of the opl website and you can see the magic.....or you can pm me
                  Yeah I should clarify, I figured out the U15 boys side of things.....dont PM me with U9 girls...I dont know and I dont care

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                    #10
                    GU18
                    OSSA Blue
                    FC PDX Navy
                    EMFC Havoc
                    Corvallis Reign
                    Thelo

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                      #11
                      State Cup Predictions, Girls

                      U11 - FC Portland over Eastside
                      U12 - Eastside over FC Portland
                      U13 - EMFC over FC Portland
                      U14 - THUSC over Sherwood
                      U15 - WST over Eastside
                      U16 - OSSA over FC Portland
                      U17 - OSSA over THUSC
                      U18 - FC Portland over OSSA

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        U11 - FC Portland over Eastside
                        U12 - Eastside over FC Portland
                        U13 - EMFC over FC Portland
                        U14 - THUSC over Sherwood
                        U15 - WST over Eastside
                        U16 - OSSA over FC Portland
                        U17 - OSSA over THUSC
                        U18 - FC Portland over OSSA
                        U11 THUSC over FC
                        U12 Eastside over THUSC
                        U13 THUSC over FC
                        U14 THUSC over Sherwood
                        U15 THUSC over WST
                        U16 OSSA over FC
                        U17 THUSC over OSSA
                        U18 OSSA over FC

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          U11 THUSC over FC
                          U12 Eastside over THUSC
                          U13 THUSC over FC
                          U14 THUSC over Sherwood
                          U15 THUSC over WST
                          U16 OSSA over FC
                          U17 THUSC over OSSA
                          U18 OSSA over FC
                          Hmm wonder which club you are from? Lol. THUSC wins u14 and that's about it wo some serious luck. THUSCers crack me up.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            U11 - FC Portland over Eastside
                            U12 - Eastside over FC Portland
                            U13 - EMFC over FC Portland
                            U14 - THUSC over Sherwood
                            U15 - WST over Eastside
                            U16 - OSSA over FC Portland
                            U17 - OSSA over THUSC
                            U18 - FC Portland over OSSA
                            From that tally, Ossa and FC are tops. Then you have Eastside. Then you have EMFC, THUSC, WST sort of tied for next. And I think that seems appropriate. If you could throw in VT and fcsc you could probably move eastside WST THUSC and EMFC down 2 notches for the Portland metro area.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              WEB site


                              2013 Portland Timbers OPL State Cup Brackets

                              All brackets (FLIGHTS) are seeded via the serpentine method of, starting with the first seed, going across the brackets to the right, down, and then back across to the left, and so on until all teams were placed.

                              U11-U14 teams were seeded based on the order of finish, from top to bottom, in the the 2012 OPL Fall Season Standings.
                              U15-U18 teams were seeded based first, on the semi-finalists from the 2012 OPL State Cup, then by the order of placement in the 2013 OPL Winter Season Standings, through March 18.

                              In all Brackets, the teams will play as follows:

                              3 Team Brackets
                              1st seed plays 2nd seed at home and 3rd seed away.
                              2nd seed plays 3rd seed at home and 1st seed away.
                              3rd seed plays 1st seed at home and 2nd seed away.

                              4 Team Brackets
                              1st seed playes 2nd and 3rd seeds at home and 4th seed away.
                              2nd seed plays 3rd and 4th seeds at home and 1st seed away.
                              3rd seed plays 4th seed at home and 1st and 2nd seeds away.
                              4th seed plays 1st seed at home and 2nd and 3rd seeds at away.

                              5 Team Brackets
                              1st seed playes 2nd and 3rd seeds at home, and 4th and 5th seeds away.
                              2nd seed plays 3rd and 4th seeds at home, and 1st and 5th seeds away.
                              3rd seed plays 4th and 5th seeds at home, and 1st and 2nd seeds away.
                              4th seed plays 1st and 5th seeds at home, and 2nd and 3rd seeds away.
                              5th seed plays 1st and 2nd seeds at home, and 3rd and 4th seeds away.


                              PLAY DATES FOR KNOCKOUT ROUNDS:
                              Quarterfinals: April 27
                              Semiffinals: April 28
                              Finals: May 4
                              Yes. I already knew this when you responded to my posting. As you can see, my questions remain valid as your pasted information from the OPL Web site shows how seeding can still be confusing.

                              For example, if there are eight teams entered in this year's state cup, how does the OPL seed last year's four semifinalists? Do the two teams that advanced to last year's final take the first spot of two brackets, and if so how do you know which bracket the remaining two semifinal's losers take for the secondary spots?

                              Does the OPL also determine seeding for last year's semifinalists in the first and second spots of the two brackets and from results of this year's league games to date? See the confusion here?

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