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    Oregon School Activities Association (OSAA) is the nonprofit, quasi-governmental entity that manages, supervises, and regulates interscholastic athletics in the state of Oregon, among other things. All public and private high schools who field interscholastic sports teams are members. While some may argue about how well it does its job, it's pretty much accepted that it has the final world on setting the rules, priorities, and procedures for high school (and middle school) sports in this state. Including soccer.

    OSAA, unsurprisingly, has an academic focus--what some in the competitive club sports world might call a "rec mentality". It emphasizes things like sportsmanship, scholarship, and fair play over a "win-at-all-costs" model. It doesn't always live up to those expectations (cough Jesuit cough), but it tries. It views the development of student-athletes as "whole persons" to be more important than teaching them to specialize in a particular sport, or the techniques and tactics thereof. It regards single-minded focus on a single sport as unhealthy--for that reason, participation in high school soccer outside the high school season is very limited--a few (optional) camps here and there, but otherwise athletes are expected to hit the books during that time, or play other sports during the winter and spring seasons.

    In that regard, it has always had a bit of an uneasy relationship with club soccer (and competitive club teams in other sports, though I will now focus on soccer for the rest of this post). It tends to regard club soccer as not reflecting the same values. For that reason, and a few others, it strives to greatly limit entanglements between high school soccer and club teams. Players' club affiliations or accomplishments are NEVER acknowledged anywhere on a high school pitch. HS teams may NEVER play against club teams, period. Even scrimmages are prohibited. HS coaches are generally prohibited from coaching any of their players (or potential players) at club--it's generally recommended that if a coach wants to do both, that his HS team and his club team should be geographically far apart, or that he should only coach younger kids in club, or that if he coaches boys in high school, he should coach girls in club, etc. It gets messy quickly if a player shows up to a high school tryout who the coach (including assistant coaches) coaches on a club team.

    That said, high school and club soccer have co-existed for years, in part because both sides of this divide respect and honor the temporal boundary of the high school and club seasons. As one of my kid's coach put it, "between August and November, you belong to your high school. The rest of the year, you belong to us". Our club's HS-age teams shut down when HS tryout start, and don't pick up again until after the state finals are done. (Or at least until the playoffs are underway, and most kids on the team have been eliminated--and even then, those still playing are expected to finish their HS season before coming back).

    Oregon has, at times, had various "academy" teams in non-OYSA travel leagues that either respected the high school season, or disallowed participating in high school sports for its members. Timbers Academy, a full-time professional academy team for boys that travels quite a bit and trains year-round, still is in the latter category. As TA is on the "professional" path in the sport, and is generally offering players free training, nobody really has a problem with this state of affairs. Other attempts by travel clubs to restrict participation in high school sports (such as the GDA) have generally failed, with many athletes choosing high school over the club team. In some ways, the market has spoken--if it's a true, professional academy, kids will gladly give up high school soccer to play there. If it's just another pay-to-play club branding itself as an "academy", but not offering any substantial difference in amount or quality of training, or being free to players, not so much. For most kids, high school/club soccer will be the pinnacle of their playing careers. A few will make a college team. Players who actually turn pro, are black swans.

    And this state of affairs--this compromise--has endured for decades. Unless you're in a full-time academy (and don't play prep sports at all).... from August to November you belong to high school. The rest of the year, to your club.

    Until recently--one local youth club has joined a travel league, one that is not regulated by OYSA (thebody overseeing youth club soccer in the state), that has its primary season at the same time as the state high school season. It is portraying this double-dipping as a competitive advantage, and devaluing high school soccer as a result. In addition, it is greatly aggravating the injury risk to players in this club. Since it positions itself as an elite-level club, and includes quite a few top local players, no local high school coach has been willing to put his foot down and limit the minutes of players who are making weekend jaunts up to Seattle.

    If this keeps up, expect the other clubs to do the same--to start having their own training, their own travel, etc. during the high school season. Expect more injuries, tired players, suffering grades, and such as kids are gang-pressed into ever more hectic training and travel schedules, trying to keep up with the Jones's, thinking that their future participation in high level competitive soccer depends on running in this increasingly hectic rat race.

    Coaches, schools, and athletic directors, unwilling to lose top-level talent, have been unwilling to intervene. Parents, often with stars in their eyes, are listening to the siren songs of unscrupulous club coaches, telling them to have a cigar and asking which one is Pink. And kids, egged on by their peers, not knowing enough about their own bodies, and thinking they are indestructible, are signing up for this nonsense, wondering why they are so damn tired, and thinking that it's because they aren't tough enough and need to train more to get fit.

    It is time for OSAA to say "enough!". If it wants to keep school sports from being eaten by the big-money sharks and grifters in the club world, it needs to enforce, with teeth, the longstanding agreement it has had with the clubs, and for the physical and mental health of players, make sure that the high school season is kept sacrosanct:

    It should be simple: ANY PLAYER WHO PLAYS A CLUB MATCH AT ANY TIME DURING THE HIGH SCHOOL SEASON, IS INELIGIBLE TO PLAY IN ANY HIGH-SCHOOL MATCHES DURING THE FOLLOWING WEEK. That's the minimum rule--if this is abused, my proposal will turn into "ANY PLAYER WHO PLAYS A CLUB MATCH DURING THE HIGH SCHOOL SEASON IS INELIGIBLE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE HIGH SCHOOL SEASON".

    I'll let the lawyers decide on the precise definition of what constitutes a "club match", but we all know what it means.

    And, just to make sure there is no misunderstanding: HIGH SCHOOL COACHES ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ENSURING THAT ALL PLAYERS ARE ELIGIBLE UNDER THIS RULE; USE OF INELIGIBLE PLAYERS IS A FORFEIT. "I didn't know Johnny was up in Kirkland last weekend getting beaten down by Crossfire Premier; he told me he was at home studying!" will not be accepted as an excuse. If HS coaches cannot trust players to honestly manage their obligations to both club and school, or if certain clubs pressure them to violate those obligations, then perhaps such players shouldn't be playing prep soccer. Clubs that honor the August-November prep season and shut down, will have no problems with this proposal.

    The high school season is for high-school play, and for competition under high-school rules. If kids want to forgo the privilege of playing for hundreds of friends in interscholastic competition for the chance to train with a competitive academy team that offers a better path to the NCAA or the pros (or claims to), great! Nobody prevents them from doing so. And if they want to play club soccer outside the high school season, more power to them! But OSAA needs to understand one thing: the second that one club is allowed to encroach on the high-school season (and use that as a recruiting advantage) and gets away with it, then sooner or later all the clubs will be doing it. And the peace that has existed for decades between the two different models of competition, will be shattered.

    OSAA needs to tell the grifters and con-artists who are threatening the stability of the youth soccer ecosystem, and trying to draw all of us into the insane and fruitless arms race of private training, endless travel, and other pointless things that are damaging to the growing bodies of young men and women, to back down:

    If you make your kids play during the high school season, that's the only place they will be allowed to play. Make your choice, and choose well. High school players will have the weekend (Sunday, at least) to rest, and will only have to endure the training regimen of one program at a time, not two.

    #2
    Originally posted by Guest View Post
    Oregon School Activities Association (OSAA) is the nonprofit, quasi-governmental entity that manages, supervises, and regulates interscholastic athletics in the state of Oregon, among other things. All public and private high schools who field interscholastic sports teams are members. While some may argue about how well it does its job, it's pretty much accepted that it has the final world on setting the rules, priorities, and procedures for high school (and middle school) sports in this state. Including soccer.

    OSAA, unsurprisingly, has an academic focus--what some in the competitive club sports world might call a "rec mentality". It emphasizes things like sportsmanship, scholarship, and fair play over a "win-at-all-costs" model. It doesn't always live up to those expectations (cough Jesuit cough), but it tries. It views the development of student-athletes as "whole persons" to be more important than teaching them to specialize in a particular sport, or the techniques and tactics thereof. It regards single-minded focus on a single sport as unhealthy--for that reason, participation in high school soccer outside the high school season is very limited--a few (optional) camps here and there, but otherwise athletes are expected to hit the books during that time, or play other sports during the winter and spring seasons.

    In that regard, it has always had a bit of an uneasy relationship with club soccer (and competitive club teams in other sports, though I will now focus on soccer for the rest of this post). It tends to regard club soccer as not reflecting the same values. For that reason, and a few others, it strives to greatly limit entanglements between high school soccer and club teams. Players' club affiliations or accomplishments are NEVER acknowledged anywhere on a high school pitch. HS teams may NEVER play against club teams, period. Even scrimmages are prohibited. HS coaches are generally prohibited from coaching any of their players (or potential players) at club--it's generally recommended that if a coach wants to do both, that his HS team and his club team should be geographically far apart, or that he should only coach younger kids in club, or that if he coaches boys in high school, he should coach girls in club, etc. It gets messy quickly if a player shows up to a high school tryout who the coach (including assistant coaches) coaches on a club team.

    That said, high school and club soccer have co-existed for years, in part because both sides of this divide respect and honor the temporal boundary of the high school and club seasons. As one of my kid's coach put it, "between August and November, you belong to your high school. The rest of the year, you belong to us". Our club's HS-age teams shut down when HS tryout start, and don't pick up again until after the state finals are done. (Or at least until the playoffs are underway, and most kids on the team have been eliminated--and even then, those still playing are expected to finish their HS season before coming back).

    Oregon has, at times, had various "academy" teams in non-OYSA travel leagues that either respected the high school season, or disallowed participating in high school sports for its members. Timbers Academy, a full-time professional academy team for boys that travels quite a bit and trains year-round, still is in the latter category. As TA is on the "professional" path in the sport, and is generally offering players free training, nobody really has a problem with this state of affairs. Other attempts by travel clubs to restrict participation in high school sports (such as the GDA) have generally failed, with many athletes choosing high school over the club team. In some ways, the market has spoken--if it's a true, professional academy, kids will gladly give up high school soccer to play there. If it's just another pay-to-play club branding itself as an "academy", but not offering any substantial difference in amount or quality of training, or being free to players, not so much. For most kids, high school/club soccer will be the pinnacle of their playing careers. A few will make a college team. Players who actually turn pro, are black swans.

    And this state of affairs--this compromise--has endured for decades. Unless you're in a full-time academy (and don't play prep sports at all).... from August to November you belong to high school. The rest of the year, to your club.

    Until recently--one local youth club has joined a travel league, one that is not regulated by OYSA (thebody overseeing youth club soccer in the state), that has its primary season at the same time as the state high school season. It is portraying this double-dipping as a competitive advantage, and devaluing high school soccer as a result. In addition, it is greatly aggravating the injury risk to players in this club. Since it positions itself as an elite-level club, and includes quite a few top local players, no local high school coach has been willing to put his foot down and limit the minutes of players who are making weekend jaunts up to Seattle.

    If this keeps up, expect the other clubs to do the same--to start having their own training, their own travel, etc. during the high school season. Expect more injuries, tired players, suffering grades, and such as kids are gang-pressed into ever more hectic training and travel schedules, trying to keep up with the Jones's, thinking that their future participation in high level competitive soccer depends on running in this increasingly hectic rat race.

    Coaches, schools, and athletic directors, unwilling to lose top-level talent, have been unwilling to intervene. Parents, often with stars in their eyes, are listening to the siren songs of unscrupulous club coaches, telling them to have a cigar and asking which one is Pink. And kids, egged on by their peers, not knowing enough about their own bodies, and thinking they are indestructible, are signing up for this nonsense, wondering why they are so damn tired, and thinking that it's because they aren't tough enough and need to train more to get fit.

    It is time for OSAA to say "enough!". If it wants to keep school sports from being eaten by the big-money sharks and grifters in the club world, it needs to enforce, with teeth, the longstanding agreement it has had with the clubs, and for the physical and mental health of players, make sure that the high school season is kept sacrosanct:

    It should be simple: ANY PLAYER WHO PLAYS A CLUB MATCH AT ANY TIME DURING THE HIGH SCHOOL SEASON, IS INELIGIBLE TO PLAY IN ANY HIGH-SCHOOL MATCHES DURING THE FOLLOWING WEEK. That's the minimum rule--if this is abused, my proposal will turn into "ANY PLAYER WHO PLAYS A CLUB MATCH DURING THE HIGH SCHOOL SEASON IS INELIGIBLE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE HIGH SCHOOL SEASON".

    I'll let the lawyers decide on the precise definition of what constitutes a "club match", but we all know what it means.

    And, just to make sure there is no misunderstanding: HIGH SCHOOL COACHES ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ENSURING THAT ALL PLAYERS ARE ELIGIBLE UNDER THIS RULE; USE OF INELIGIBLE PLAYERS IS A FORFEIT. "I didn't know Johnny was up in Kirkland last weekend getting beaten down by Crossfire Premier; he told me he was at home studying!" will not be accepted as an excuse. If HS coaches cannot trust players to honestly manage their obligations to both club and school, or if certain clubs pressure them to violate those obligations, then perhaps such players shouldn't be playing prep soccer. Clubs that honor the August-November prep season and shut down, will have no problems with this proposal.

    The high school season is for high-school play, and for competition under high-school rules. If kids want to forgo the privilege of playing for hundreds of friends in interscholastic competition for the chance to train with a competitive academy team that offers a better path to the NCAA or the pros (or claims to), great! Nobody prevents them from doing so. And if they want to play club soccer outside the high school season, more power to them! But OSAA needs to understand one thing: the second that one club is allowed to encroach on the high-school season (and use that as a recruiting advantage) and gets away with it, then sooner or later all the clubs will be doing it. And the peace that has existed for decades between the two different models of competition, will be shattered.

    OSAA needs to tell the grifters and con-artists who are threatening the stability of the youth soccer ecosystem, and trying to draw all of us into the insane and fruitless arms race of private training, endless travel, and other pointless things that are damaging to the growing bodies of young men and women, to back down:

    If you make your kids play during the high school season, that's the only place they will be allowed to play. Make your choice, and choose well. High school players will have the weekend (Sunday, at least) to rest, and will only have to endure the training regimen of one program at a time, not two.
    you want to nip this in the bud?

    Contact Marshall Haskins
    mhaskins@pps.net
    (P) 503.916.3223
    PIL Athletics Senior Director.

    He approves updx ecnl squads to use pps district owned and controlled facilities, at but not limited to these schools:

    McDaniel HS
    Jefferson HS
    Lincoln HS
    Marshall Campus

    Furthermore his pps athletic district employs many updx staff coaches and a few of their directors as pps HS soccer coaches, who conviently use the facilities for FALL upddx ecnl club play.

    For example:

    Lincoln HS Boys coach- Brandon McNeil updx director ecnl

    Ida B. Wells HS Boys coach- Dylan Lomanto updx coach ecnl

    Grant HS Boys coach - Erik Miller updx dir. of facilities (lol)

    McDaniel HS Boys coach - Ugo Uche updx coach

    McDaniel HS Girls coach J.D. Penilton updx coach ecnl R

    Benson(Marshall camp) HS Boys coach Kemal Vejo updx coach

    It's all on Haskins, not the OSAA.


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      #3
      Originally posted by Guest View Post

      you want to nip this in the bud?

      Contact Marshall Haskins
      mhaskins@pps.net
      (P) 503.916.3223
      PIL Athletics Senior Director.

      He approves updx ecnl squads to use pps district owned and controlled facilities, at but not limited to these schools:

      McDaniel HS
      Jefferson HS
      Lincoln HS
      Marshall Campus

      Furthermore his pps athletic district employs many updx staff coaches and a few of their directors as pps HS soccer coaches, who conviently use the facilities for FALL upddx ecnl club play.

      For example:

      Lincoln HS Boys coach- Brandon McNeil updx director ecnl

      Ida B. Wells HS Boys coach- Dylan Lomanto updx coach ecnl

      Grant HS Boys coach - Erik Miller updx dir. of facilities (lol)

      McDaniel HS Boys coach - Ugo Uche updx coach

      McDaniel HS Girls coach J.D. Penilton updx coach ecnl R

      Benson(Marshall camp) HS Boys coach Kemal Vejo updx coach

      It's all on Haskins, not the OSAA.

      I suspect Mr. Haskins is part of the problem, not part of the solution, though I could be wrong.

      What would be more entertaining is a letter to the OYSA staff/board, jointly signed by a plurality of youth club directors in Oregon, stating essentially the following:

      * We represent the bulk of the Oregon competitive club soccer scene. Most of your top players play for us and pay us thousand of dollars for the privilege.
      * We value and respect high school soccer, and consider it a fundamental part of the experience of young athletes.
      * As such, we have collectively long agreed to respect the high school soccer season; no high school club activities are scheduled during the season, and the state association actively discourages this.
      * It has come to our attention, however, that one club, operating outside the state regulatory framework, has been entering teams into a competitive league that operates during the high school season
      * This club has gained a significant competitive advantage over its peers by virtue of its violations of this longstanding implicit agreement.

      As such...
      * Given the lead time for such things, we do not plan any changes to our fall programming for the 2024-25 academic year; we will continue to shut down high school operations from mid-August to the conclusion of the state championships in the fall.
      * However, if this situation is not rectified by the start of the 2025-26 academic season, should it become necessary, we WILL start offering club programming to high school athletes during the fall season
      * If and when we do start offering such programming, we will expect HS-athletes, who are paying us lots of money, to prioritize our club offerings over high school sports, which we generally view to offer a far lower standard of competition than club soccer.
      * Which will result in the likely-permanent devaluation of high school soccer in the state, as it becomes essentially a JV activity as none of the top athletes will participate any more.

      Unfortunately, I suspect that's where we are headed. It's been a longstanding principle of economics that unless the cheats and boundary-pushers and scofflaws are actively reined in by everyone else, eventually they will win. This phenomenon is called by different names in different branches of the field (Gresham's Law, prisoners' dilemma, scabbing, etc.), but the second one cheater is allowed to prosper and undermine everyone else, then pretty soon everyone will start cheating too, and everyone will eventually be worse off than before. Unfortunately, whoever cheats FIRST will gain an advantage over the people who only abandon the rules of fair play as a measure of last resort.

      Fair play is for suckers.

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        #4
        Let your son make the right choice for him. Why try to force everyone into the same path? Thorns didn’t allow HS soccer a few years ago and was a disaster. Kids want to play HS. Better negotiate with ECNL when the season is played.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Guest View Post
          Oregon School Activities Association (OSAA) is the nonprofit, quasi-governmental entity that manages, supervises, and regulates interscholastic athletics in the state of Oregon, among other things. All public and private high schools who field interscholastic sports teams are members. While some may argue about how well it does its job, it's pretty much accepted that it has the final world on setting the rules, priorities, and procedures for high school (and middle school) sports in this state. Including soccer.

          OSAA, unsurprisingly, has an academic focus--what some in the competitive club sports world might call a "rec mentality". It emphasizes things like sportsmanship, scholarship, and fair play over a "win-at-all-costs" model. It doesn't always live up to those expectations (cough Jesuit cough), but it tries. It views the development of student-athletes as "whole persons" to be more important than teaching them to specialize in a particular sport, or the techniques and tactics thereof. It regards single-minded focus on a single sport as unhealthy--for that reason, participation in high school soccer outside the high school season is very limited--a few (optional) camps here and there, but otherwise athletes are expected to hit the books during that time, or play other sports during the winter and spring seasons.

          In that regard, it has always had a bit of an uneasy relationship with club soccer (and competitive club teams in other sports, though I will now focus on soccer for the rest of this post). It tends to regard club soccer as not reflecting the same values. For that reason, and a few others, it strives to greatly limit entanglements between high school soccer and club teams. Players' club affiliations or accomplishments are NEVER acknowledged anywhere on a high school pitch. HS teams may NEVER play against club teams, period. Even scrimmages are prohibited. HS coaches are generally prohibited from coaching any of their players (or potential players) at club--it's generally recommended that if a coach wants to do both, that his HS team and his club team should be geographically far apart, or that he should only coach younger kids in club, or that if he coaches boys in high school, he should coach girls in club, etc. It gets messy quickly if a player shows up to a high school tryout who the coach (including assistant coaches) coaches on a club team.

          That said, high school and club soccer have co-existed for years, in part because both sides of this divide respect and honor the temporal boundary of the high school and club seasons. As one of my kid's coach put it, "between August and November, you belong to your high school. The rest of the year, you belong to us". Our club's HS-age teams shut down when HS tryout start, and don't pick up again until after the state finals are done. (Or at least until the playoffs are underway, and most kids on the team have been eliminated--and even then, those still playing are expected to finish their HS season before coming back).

          Oregon has, at times, had various "academy" teams in non-OYSA travel leagues that either respected the high school season, or disallowed participating in high school sports for its members. Timbers Academy, a full-time professional academy team for boys that travels quite a bit and trains year-round, still is in the latter category. As TA is on the "professional" path in the sport, and is generally offering players free training, nobody really has a problem with this state of affairs. Other attempts by travel clubs to restrict participation in high school sports (such as the GDA) have generally failed, with many athletes choosing high school over the club team. In some ways, the market has spoken--if it's a true, professional academy, kids will gladly give up high school soccer to play there. If it's just another pay-to-play club branding itself as an "academy", but not offering any substantial difference in amount or quality of training, or being free to players, not so much. For most kids, high school/club soccer will be the pinnacle of their playing careers. A few will make a college team. Players who actually turn pro, are black swans.

          And this state of affairs--this compromise--has endured for decades. Unless you're in a full-time academy (and don't play prep sports at all).... from August to November you belong to high school. The rest of the year, to your club.

          Until recently--one local youth club has joined a travel league, one that is not regulated by OYSA (thebody overseeing youth club soccer in the state), that has its primary season at the same time as the state high school season. It is portraying this double-dipping as a competitive advantage, and devaluing high school soccer as a result. In addition, it is greatly aggravating the injury risk to players in this club. Since it positions itself as an elite-level club, and includes quite a few top local players, no local high school coach has been willing to put his foot down and limit the minutes of players who are making weekend jaunts up to Seattle.

          If this keeps up, expect the other clubs to do the same--to start having their own training, their own travel, etc. during the high school season. Expect more injuries, tired players, suffering grades, and such as kids are gang-pressed into ever more hectic training and travel schedules, trying to keep up with the Jones's, thinking that their future participation in high level competitive soccer depends on running in this increasingly hectic rat race.

          Coaches, schools, and athletic directors, unwilling to lose top-level talent, have been unwilling to intervene. Parents, often with stars in their eyes, are listening to the siren songs of unscrupulous club coaches, telling them to have a cigar and asking which one is Pink. And kids, egged on by their peers, not knowing enough about their own bodies, and thinking they are indestructible, are signing up for this nonsense, wondering why they are so damn tired, and thinking that it's because they aren't tough enough and need to train more to get fit.

          It is time for OSAA to say "enough!". If it wants to keep school sports from being eaten by the big-money sharks and grifters in the club world, it needs to enforce, with teeth, the longstanding agreement it has had with the clubs, and for the physical and mental health of players, make sure that the high school season is kept sacrosanct:

          It should be simple: ANY PLAYER WHO PLAYS A CLUB MATCH AT ANY TIME DURING THE HIGH SCHOOL SEASON, IS INELIGIBLE TO PLAY IN ANY HIGH-SCHOOL MATCHES DURING THE FOLLOWING WEEK. That's the minimum rule--if this is abused, my proposal will turn into "ANY PLAYER WHO PLAYS A CLUB MATCH DURING THE HIGH SCHOOL SEASON IS INELIGIBLE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE HIGH SCHOOL SEASON".

          I'll let the lawyers decide on the precise definition of what constitutes a "club match", but we all know what it means.

          And, just to make sure there is no misunderstanding: HIGH SCHOOL COACHES ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ENSURING THAT ALL PLAYERS ARE ELIGIBLE UNDER THIS RULE; USE OF INELIGIBLE PLAYERS IS A FORFEIT. "I didn't know Johnny was up in Kirkland last weekend getting beaten down by Crossfire Premier; he told me he was at home studying!" will not be accepted as an excuse. If HS coaches cannot trust players to honestly manage their obligations to both club and school, or if certain clubs pressure them to violate those obligations, then perhaps such players shouldn't be playing prep soccer. Clubs that honor the August-November prep season and shut down, will have no problems with this proposal.

          The high school season is for high-school play, and for competition under high-school rules. If kids want to forgo the privilege of playing for hundreds of friends in interscholastic competition for the chance to train with a competitive academy team that offers a better path to the NCAA or the pros (or claims to), great! Nobody prevents them from doing so. And if they want to play club soccer outside the high school season, more power to them! But OSAA needs to understand one thing: the second that one club is allowed to encroach on the high-school season (and use that as a recruiting advantage) and gets away with it, then sooner or later all the clubs will be doing it. And the peace that has existed for decades between the two different models of competition, will be shattered.

          OSAA needs to tell the grifters and con-artists who are threatening the stability of the youth soccer ecosystem, and trying to draw all of us into the insane and fruitless arms race of private training, endless travel, and other pointless things that are damaging to the growing bodies of young men and women, to back down:

          If you make your kids play during the high school season, that's the only place they will be allowed to play. Make your choice, and choose well. High school players will have the weekend (Sunday, at least) to rest, and will only have to endure the training regimen of one program at a time, not two.
          What was the response from OSAA to your proposal?

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            #6
            BM been cheating his entire career, are you the dude to stop him? Doubtful.

            You don't quite understand the OSAA structure or how it functions . The OSAA is a private, non-profit membership association made up of public and private high schools across Oregon. They are non-partisan organization, with a mission to provide opportunities for tens of thousands Oregon student to annually participate in interscholastic athletics and activities. The OSAA is under the guidance of their MEMBER SCHOOLS, they create and implement all policies. Haskins can either self report his role in this Practice Limitation Rule (6A,5A,4A) violation from the OSAA handbook https://osaa.org/docs/handbooks/osaahandbook.pdf pg.101 Section 54.A.5. or the member schools admin that are complicit in this can self report to the OSAA. It's really that simple. OSAA can only enforce what member schools self report.

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              #7
              The ECNL season will change next year when the NW gets their own ECNL league and United get their mid to lower table club kicked from the Seattle division back to thunderdome 2.0

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                #8
                Originally posted by Guest View Post
                BM been cheating his entire career, are you the dude to stop him? Doubtful.

                You don't quite understand the OSAA structure or how it functions . The OSAA is a private, non-profit membership association made up of public and private high schools across Oregon. They are non-partisan organization, with a mission to provide opportunities for tens of thousands Oregon student to annually participate in interscholastic athletics and activities. The OSAA is under the guidance of their MEMBER SCHOOLS, they create and implement all policies. Haskins can either self report his role in this Practice Limitation Rule (6A,5A,4A) violation from the OSAA handbook https://osaa.org/docs/handbooks/osaahandbook.pdf pg.101 Section 54.A.5. or the member schools admin that are complicit in this can self report to the OSAA. It's really that simple. OSAA can only enforce what member schools self report.
                No wonder Jesuit gets away with so much, if there's nobody else that can rat them out and lay down the law. Bummer.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Guest View Post
                  The ECNL season will change next year when the NW gets their own ECNL league and United get their mid to lower table club kicked from the Seattle division back to thunderdome 2.0
                  And that would solve the problem, assuming an OR/ID ECNL league, much as the current ECRL league does, plays in the spring when Oregon and Idaho don't have high school soccer season.

                  But if that DOESN'T happen, don't be surprised if other clubs don't decide that "we need to go full year, and not have our top player playing four months of kickball". High school soccer is both a) vitally important, because of the opportunities it offers kids that don't have a good club nearby, or can't afford one, and b) still suffers from the reputation, not entirely undeserved, that it's a vastly inferior product. It is certainly getting better, as the knowledge and skill of the non-professional coaching pool (i.e. people who don't go into coaching as a full-time job, which includes many HS coaches who also teach math or history) continues to improve, along with the overall soccer culture of the country. But don't think that there aren't grifters out there who view any alternate pathway as a threat to their business model, and would love to see prep soccer relegated back to "rec-level garbage that no college scout should bother paying any attention to".

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                    Originally posted by Guest View Post
                    Oregon School Activities Association (OSAA) is the nonprofit, quasi-governmental entity that manages, supervises, and regulates interscholastic athletics in the state of Oregon, among other things. All public and private high schools who field interscholastic sports teams are members. While some may argue about how well it does its job, it's pretty much accepted that it has the final world on setting the rules, priorities, and procedures for high school (and middle school) sports in this state. Including soccer.

                    ....

                    If you make your kids play during the high school season, that's the only place they will be allowed to play. Make your choice, and choose well. High school players will have the weekend (Sunday, at least) to rest, and will only have to endure the training regimen of one program at a time, not two.
                    Is the situation different for other sports that involve club teams, basketball and baseball? It's a genuine question, I don't pose the question to be contradictory.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Guest View Post

                      Is the situation different for other sports that involve club teams, basketball and baseball? It's a genuine question, I don't pose the question to be contradictory.
                      HS basketball does have to engage in turf wars with AAU teams, but is in a generally stronger position. Dunno about baseball.

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                        #12
                        Basketball solved this issue with Elite Youth Basketball Scholastic's divisions.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Guest View Post

                          Is the situation different for other sports that involve club teams, basketball and baseball? It's a genuine question, I don't pose the question to be contradictory.
                          Believe it or not on the other end of this spectrum , there is a place where club and high school sport work hand and glove in harmony.

                          Durinf the HS season you attend club training all week and then compete for your high school on the day of the meet.

                          This is the SOP for many higher level OSAA high school swimmers in the greater metropolitan area.

                          So proposing a policy that doesn't allow you to play/train with your club, during a HS season would be shot down in an instant.

                          On the other hand this oddity would never happen in top american sports like baseball, basketball or Football.

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                            #14
                            Seems like having an Oregon/Idaho full ECNL league would solve a lot of these conflicts. As bad a rap as HS soccer gets for being too direct and "kick and chase", the teamwork and leadership values it teaches the kids is invaluable. Especially if we are talking about 15 and 16 year olds who could play in ECNL, these would likely be starting for HS teams as frosh/sophomores. My kid started as a freshman and the experience of playing with juniors and seniors and watching their leadership and demanding accountability was like nothing he had experienced at the club level up to that point, even when playing up an age group. Not to mention the pride these kids feel wearing their school colors and playing in front of rowdy student sections.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Guest View Post

                              Believe it or not on the other end of this spectrum , there is a place where club and high school sport work hand and glove in harmony.

                              Durinf the HS season you attend club training all week and then compete for your high school on the day of the meet.

                              This is the SOP for many higher level OSAA high school swimmers in the greater metropolitan area.

                              So proposing a policy that doesn't allow you to play/train with your club, during a HS season would be shot down in an instant.

                              On the other hand this oddity would never happen in top american sports like baseball, basketball or Football.
                              Swimming is an interesting case.

                              a) it's a boutique sport, especially at the highest levels of competition. Access to pools, particularly ones of the correct dimensions for competition, is a big issue.
                              b) the national federation has a lot more power to regulate the sport than US Soccer does (let alone things like football or baseball that aren't Olympic sports).
                              c) the national federation also hasn't, at various times, taken positions openly hostile to scholastic swimming. It wasn't long ago that the US Soccer, via the USSDA, was essentially declaring to the entire world that high school soccer was crap that no serious athlete should bother with.

                              That said, OSSA and OSYA have long respected each others' turf, despite vastly different missions and goals. And I think the current system is good; even if high school soccer isn't as tactically or technically sophisticated (and it's not; any of the top half-dozen U18/U19 club teams could smack the living crap out of even the best HS team), it fills a very important role in involving the larger community in growing the game.

                              But having clubs encroaching on the high school season to gain a cheap recruiting advantage is a problem. If someone wants to start a real soccer academy, train year round, and compete full-time in MLS Next, that would be great--the Timbers could use some competition. But that's not what UPDX is doing.

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