Are there any clubs without politics?

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Right. Parks & Rec I found little to no politics, similar to Pacific.

And let's not confuse "Pacific SC" which is a rec club (formerly Battleground, Prairie and Lewis River) that just so happens to be run by the same people in charge of "Pacific FC". One is rec and the other is essentially rec+ (with a couple of exceptions). In some age groups the "A" teams at Pacific FC are not competitive with the "D" teams at VT.

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And let's not confuse "Pacific SC" which is a rec club (formerly Battleground, Prairie and Lewis River) that just so happens to be run by the same people in charge of "Pacific FC". One is rec and the other is essentially rec+ (with a couple of exceptions). In some age groups the "A" teams at Pacific FC are not competitive with the "D" teams at VT.

And in some age groups, Pacific FC's A teams are very comparable to VUSA's Premier A teams. At many age groups, Pacific FC is an incredible value.

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And in some age groups, Pacific FC's A teams are very comparable to VUSA's Premier A teams. At many age groups, Pacific FC is an incredible value.

Yep...depends on the age group. Certainly can be an amazing value if you're on one of their top teams and a still a good value for a great club experience for the others.

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And in some age groups, Pacific FC's A teams are very comparable to VUSA's Premier A teams. At many age groups, Pacific FC is an incredible value.

hmmm...fascinating assertion. would this be on the boys or girls side and at what age groups? The OPL fall 2012 results should shed some light on your assertions.

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hmmm...fascinating assertion. would this be on the boys or girls side and at what age groups? The OPL fall 2012 results should shed some light on your assertions.

I don't see any Pacific teams in the premier division????

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hmmm...fascinating assertion. would this be on the boys or girls side and at what age groups? The OPL fall 2012 results should shed some light on your assertions.

Both of these statements seem a little extreme. NO A Pacific teams compete with Timbers A teams. No way.
And there are few, if any, Timbers D teams that compete with Pacific A teams.
A good Pacific team will compete with a Timbers B team. Most Pacific top "select teams" are better than the Timbers select team. You can look at Fall League to verify that.

Not saying one is better over the other, choose based on what you need. Again, just seemed a little extreme in the facts from both sides.

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I don't see any Pacific teams in the premier division????

I don't see any Timbers B teams in the Premier Division either.

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I don't see any Pacific teams in the premier division????

I was also curious so checked out the Fall OPL 2012 results. Looks like for boys U13 is a premier division team and U11 is near top of Div 1 (looks like they got moved up halfway thru the season and went 4-1-1). In girls, there are 3 Division 1 teams - U11, U13, U14.

So, definitely not a consistent presence in the premier divisions, but still some quality teams.

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I was also curious so checked out the Fall OPL 2012 results. Looks like for boys U13 is a premier division team and U11 is near top of Div 1 (looks like they got moved up halfway thru the season and went 4-1-1). In girls, there are 3 Division 1 teams - U11, U13, U14.

So, definitely not a consistent presence in the premier divisions, but still some quality teams.

The boys from U13 team just went over to Timbers club this year as was instructed that is club can help them move forward. The GU11 team is listed in last place for DIV 1 spring OPL. Give it a break Pacific parent. Also, jthis forum is about the politics in clubs and not about Pacific caliber of players. Start your own thread for that.

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U13B Pacific To VT?

The move right now is hear say and a lot will depends on the coach taking over at the Timbers plus they have to take part in the tryouts so nothing is decided yet so don't make sweeping states before the state cups have finished, all it does is divides players and parents and starts the whole political separation.

Im a parent and know that my son doesn't know where he is playing next year and to assume hes already made the timbers without tryouts would be very arrogant on our part.

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[QUOTE=Unregistered;937514]The boys from U13 team just went over to Timbers club this year as was instructed that is club can help them move forward. /QUOTE]

Give it a rest and stick to what you know. We have enough liars and know it alls in this world.

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The boys from U13 team just went over to Timbers club this year as was instructed that is club can help them move forward. /QUOTE]

Give it a rest and stick to what you know. We have enough liars and know it alls in this world.

Yep, and to say that Pacific is in same caliber club as VT is what the Pacific poster indicates but, for the Pacific players to even consider moving to VT indicates they are not. And again, this thread is about politics in the clubs and if there is any clubs without them not about the Pacific players. Again, start your own thread about Pacific if you want to talk about how there teams.

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Back to the string topic...

Our son is in his 6th year of competetive and the most "political" complications were:
-younger brother of a really good player and the parents expected favoritism/special treatment
-player's older brother had our coach and so there was some favoritism
-parents making the coaches life miserable so coach plays their son to get the parents off his back
-parents volunteering for everything, taking on all team tasks/chores, etc.

All of which seem typical of all clubs to some extent. However, when the team reached high school age...that's when the politics became apparent and disparaging. Our pool of players have had 7 or 8 coaches since they entered high school. More than half of them are coaches for the high school soccer teams in our area. The players on the club team who are going to the high schools where the club coaches also coach play every game for the entire game. Furthermore, our pool has 3 teams and these players will swing between the teams so they can get as much playing time as possible. This has been the most difficult political issue for us for the past two years.

In my opinion, I don't think high school coaches should be allowed to use the club to strengthen their school team. At the same time, I don't know if this is common practice amongst all clubs and par for the course.

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Our son is in his 6th year of competetive and the most "political" complications were:
-younger brother of a really good player and the parents expected favoritism/special treatment
-player's older brother had our coach and so there was some favoritism
-parents making the coaches life miserable so coach plays their son to get the parents off his back
-parents volunteering for everything, taking on all team tasks/chores, etc.

All of which seem typical of all clubs to some extent. However, when the team reached high school age...that's when the politics became apparent and disparaging. Our pool of players have had 7 or 8 coaches since they entered high school. More than half of them are coaches for the high school soccer teams in our area. The players on the club team who are going to the high schools where the club coaches also coach play every game for the entire game. Furthermore, our pool has 3 teams and these players will swing between the teams so they can get as much playing time as possible. This has been the most difficult political issue for us for the past two years.

In my opinion, I don't think high school coaches should be allowed to use the club to strengthen their school team. At the same time, I don't know if this is common practice amongst all clubs and par for the course.

Great post. There should be a rule that in all premier that you can't coach own kids team. The whole highschool thing sucks. There should be a rule that you can't coach highschool if coaching club as a conflict of interest. I also hate suck ups. We have an assistant coach who has a kid on team and starts over other quality players. Really sucks. Any clubs in area better at "playing fair" politics over others?

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OSAA Rule of 2

Great post. There should be a rule that in all premier that you can't coach own kids team. The whole highschool thing sucks. There should be a rule that you can't coach highschool if coaching club as a conflict of interest. I also hate suck ups. We have an assistant coach who has a kid on team and starts over other quality players. Really sucks. Any clubs in area better at "playing fair" politics over others?

OSAA has rules. There are rules about when you can practice. Most coaches follow the rule by coaching the opposite gender. They can't coach more than 2 or even be on the field during certain times, recruiting etc. If you see any coaches breaking this rule, you should report it to the school (AD or principal) or OSAA.

http://www.osaa.org/publications/han...#_Toc330294554

55. Practice Limitation Rule
A. Philosophy. The following statements outline the philosophy of the OSAA regarding in-season and out-of-season sports.
1) The mission of OSAA member schools is to foster well-rounded individuals. The purpose of interscholastic athletics is to help educate boys and girls and not to prepare students for college athletics, which is a by-product of interscholastic competition available to a very small percentage of high school athletes.
2) For most students, specialization in a single athletic activity is not in their best long-term interests.
3) Students should be encouraged by coaches, administrators, and parents to participate in a variety of school activities, including more than one sport during the school year.
4) Schools should not allow use of school equipment, including uniforms and school district vehicles, and facilities by non-school organizations that promote a philosophy contrary to the above statements.
5) There should be no promotion or publicity within a school for non-school programs, which promote a philosophy contrary to the above statements.
B. Preface. The spirit of the Practice Limitation Rule is that every school and participant shall have the same opportunity to practice prior to the first contest. Practice is defined as the involvement of individuals from a member high school in any program, demonstration, instruction, or participation conducted in part or in its entirety by a person or a group of people who are or who have been involved in the coaching of any of these athletes in that sport at the high school, including volunteer coaches. Unless a person has been approved by the school district as a member of the coaching staff, that person may not practice against a team or a team member (example- throwing batting practice or working against a basketball post player). (Revised December 2004)
C. Team Sports Limitation. Schools may conduct practices and/or compete in contests in team sports (baseball, basketball, football, softball, soccer, volleyball) only during the designated OSAA sports seasons as outlined in Rule 6. It shall be a violation of the rule if there is any attempt during the Association year to gather more than two members of the same high school program together per day outside the OSAA defined season to receive specialized athletic instruction from any coach associated with the participating athletes' high school program. Attempts to circumvent the rule by encouraging team members to attend out-of-season practices or camps during the Association year other than through general dissemination of information or brochures shall be considered a violation of this rule.

Also

http://www.osaa.org/broadcastemail/R...moOct12010.pdf

OSAAExecutive Board Policy #58 / Practice Limitation Rule (“Rule of Two”)
Questions concerning the “Rule of Two” come to our office on a regular basis. There are a few pointsthat have come to
lightrecently that we wantto clarify. Note thatthese clarifications apply to club teams during the association year only
and do not apply to summerteams.
1. Organization ofOut of Season Club Teams: There is nothing inOSAA policy that prohibitsstudentsfromplaying
on a teamin the offseason. A high school coach, paid or volunteer, isNOT allowed to organize these teamsin
anymanner. Coaches can only be involved in “general dissemination ofinformation”.
2. Practice forOut of Season Club Teams: A high school coach, paid or volunteer, isNOT allowed to attend
practice ifmore than two studentsfromhis/her high school are part ofthatteam.
3. ContestsforOut of Season Club Teams: A high school coach, paid or volunteer, is allowed to attend contests,
asspectators only, ifmore than two studentsfromhis/her high school are part ofthatteam.
OSAAExecutive Board Policy #12 / School Representation Clarification forIndividual Sport