Is ODP Worth it?

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I think its more likely we are arguing with one ECNL troll (YOU) who's kid isn't good enough to make the best local team but is gullible enough to think that driving 25 hours a week will get your kid a scholarship.

So now they are making up things to get others on the island with them.

You keep on crazy, we are all laughing at you.

1. Crossfire's Dues 5k + travel costs + gas + food = you being an idiot. 10k a year.

2. Discovery player = not your kid so why are you traveling to be number 21 on a 25 person roster?

3. Vegas/Surf/Disney > ECNL Showcases = Your an idiot who is also a moron for not being able to look it up.

4. Intelligence > Naive = Too bad you haven't realized this yet.


Here hold on to this bag, the crossfire coach will be back to get it....................

1. Crossfire's $5K dues INCLUDES travel costs, you moron. http://www.crossfiresoccer.org/home/614251.html
2. ECNL players are seen by college coaches every game they play. Hundreds at national events. http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague....rd/583857.html Non-ECNL players might be seen a couple of times a year, and that is only if they play for one of the few teams that actually is accepted to Surf or Vegas.
3. ALL Crossfire U18 ECNL players and 18 of 20 WPFC U18 ECNL players have made verbal comittments. http://www.hometeamsonline.com/teams...K&s=soccer&t=c
4. 44 of the top 50 G94 teams in the country are ECNL teams, including Crossfire (#22) and WPFC (#35). https://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club...=6&ageName=u18 Don't see FC Portland in that group.

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Assumptions make the Anti ECNL Troll just that

He is still saying that discovery players pay the full club fee - False

He still refuses to understand that discovery players only go up once or twice a week only 2 or three times a month not 4 times every week.

He still does not get that the cost of tournament travel of a similarly completive local club + ODP is almost identical to ECNL

He still glosses over the value of practicing with and playing against consistently BETTER players.

He is still saying that all the ECNL teams are 25 and your DD is not going to get any playing time - False

He is still missing the point that in Oregon currently there is only ONE team that might get the similar exposure as an ECNL team. So what do you do if you are at a different age or DON'T want to play for TA?

He still doesn't get that there are college coaches at LEAGUE games as well as practices for some of the clubs. Let me know the next time there is an Ivy League and a SEC coach watching a THUSC practice and send me a telegram the next time there are 5-6 D1 coaches watching an OPL league game between Onyx and WST!

He is still LYING about the number of committed players because he thinks club websites are the ONLY "proof".


Does it take more time & gas no doubt. For some the payoff is worth it, besides how much time do you have left with your DD? Some of us enjoy sitting in a car talking with our children.

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he is still saying that discovery players pay the full club fee - false

he still refuses to understand that discovery players only go up once or twice a week only 2 or three times a month not 4 times every week.

Sure play discovery but you know full well your crazy ass is doing it even if your kid isn't good enough to be discovery. Even then your travel is completely stupid.

He still does not get that the cost of tournament travel of a similarly completive local club + odp is almost identical to ecnl

complete lie and not only do you not have a clue what your talking about i don't know how you can even say that with a straight face.

He still glosses over the value of practicing with and playing against consistently better players.

Ha! Kids who get cut at onyx go make a spot at ecnl crossfire....pretty much throws that point. Being on ecnl doesn't make your kid any better, i would point out it makes them worse.

More kids go to college from fc and local clubs here in portland than ecnl in wa combined. Its even worse in wa where surrounding clubs decimate ecnl clubs in that number.

Think about it. You think your kid from here is better than 500 kids that are playing at eastside, nationals, seattle united, pac nw who are going d1? Or are they just dumber than you?

What a joke

he is still saying that all the ecnl teams are 25 and your dd is not going to get any playing time - false

how much do you want to bet? I'll bet you your name on here that i can find ecnl teams in wa especially in wa who are pumping 23-25 on their roster. Your kid probably doesn't play much, who are you kidding?


He is still missing the point that in oregon currently there is only one team that might get the similar exposure as an ecnl team. So what do you do if you are at a different age or don't want to play for ta?

Your put is a mood one considering that your kid couldn't make a ta team alon with the simple fact the end result is worse with ecnl

he still doesn't get that there are college coaches at league games as well as practices for some of the clubs. Let me know the next time there is an ivy league and a sec coach watching a thusc practice and send me a telegram the next time there are 5-6 d1 coaches watching an opl league game between onyx and wst!

They do not go to practices. That would actually be a violation. Try again liar.

Let me know the next time there is a coach at your practices and i'll be sure to inform them to stay away from your lying ass.


He is still lying about the number of committed players because he thinks club websites are the only "proof".

Committed players? Lie? So funny that you have no idea what your are talking about. I bet your kid is a u-14...you seem to think that u-18 isn't what i say it is. Someone lied to you and now you are making everyone around you dumber. Wait they don't listen to you.

Does it take more time & gas no doubt. For some the payoff is worth it, besides how much time do you have left with your dd? Some of us enjoy sitting in a car talking with our children.

you may enjoy it but your kid hates listening to you talk about how she needs to play better from a guy who couldn't kick a ball. I bet they loath it.

Again you are probably u-14. Good luck making it to u-18.

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He is still saying that discovery players pay the full club fee - False

He still refuses to understand that discovery players only go up once or twice a week only 2 or three times a month not 4 times every week.

He still does not get that the cost of tournament travel of a similarly completive local club + ODP is almost identical to ECNL

He still glosses over the value of practicing with and playing against consistently BETTER players.

He is still saying that all the ECNL teams are 25 and your DD is not going to get any playing time - False

He is still missing the point that in Oregon currently there is only ONE team that might get the similar exposure as an ECNL team. So what do you do if you are at a different age or DON'T want to play for TA?

He still doesn't get that there are college coaches at LEAGUE games as well as practices for some of the clubs. Let me know the next time there is an Ivy League and a SEC coach watching a THUSC practice and send me a telegram the next time there are 5-6 D1 coaches watching an OPL league game between Onyx and WST!

He is still LYING about the number of committed players because he thinks club websites are the ONLY "proof".


Does it take more time & gas no doubt. For some the payoff is worth it, besides how much time do you have left with your DD? Some of us enjoy sitting in a car talking with our children.

44 of the top 50 G94 teams are ECNL. This includes Crossfire (#22) and WPFC (#35). No other team from WA or OR makes the list.

WPFC G94 ECNL has 18 out of 20 players with college comittments.
http://www.hometeamsonline.com/teams...K&s=soccer&t=c

ALL of Crossfire's G94 ECNL team has college comittments. Can't point to a website but it is true nevertheless.

The cost of ECNL is comparable to ANY high-level team that wants similar exposure. And such teams are few and far between in the Northwest outside of ECNL.

The idea that FC Portland, NWN, or any other WA or OR team will have more college commitments than the Crossfire or WPFC ECNL teams is a joke. They are the best teams (see rankings), with rosters full of very strong players, with constant exposure to college coaches.

This is not to say that ECNL is the only ticket to a scholarship. ODP is certainly another route for those not in ECNL. The occasional high-level team that is not ECNL is yet another.

But the undeniable fact is that ECNL guarantees the highest level of competition and the highest level of exposure to college coaches. At least around here it does.

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Forgot to post the link to the Top 50 G94 teams.

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club-...omen/u18/6/256

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44 of the top 50 G94 teams are ECNL. This includes Crossfire (#22) and WPFC (#35). No other team from WA or OR makes the list.

WPFC G94 ECNL has 18 out of 20 players with college comittments.
http://www.hometeamsonline.com/teams...K&s=soccer&t=c

ALL of Crossfire's G94 ECNL team has college comittments. Can't point to a website but it is true nevertheless.

The cost of ECNL is comparable to ANY high-level team that wants similar exposure. And such teams are few and far between in the Northwest outside of ECNL.

The idea that FC Portland, NWN, or any other WA or OR team will have more college commitments than the Crossfire or WPFC ECNL teams is a joke. They are the best teams (see rankings), with rosters full of very strong players, with constant exposure to college coaches.

This is not to say that ECNL is the only ticket to a scholarship. ODP is certainly another route for those not in ECNL. The occasional high-level team that is not ECNL is yet another.

But the undeniable fact is that ECNL guarantees the highest level of competition and the highest level of exposure to college coaches. At least around here it does.

I'll bet you your name on here that crossfires 94s do not have all commited. I'll go a step further. I'll bet you that only 50% of them are even commited at this point.

I'll also bet you that FC Portland has more than crossfire ecnl. I'll be you that PAC nw maroon has more commitments than FC and crossfire.

I guess your statements are pretty much worthless if the 2nd is true.

And this doesn't exclude the simple fact that a kid from Portland going to uw while a crossfire ecnl can't even get a hefty NAIA offer really makes your travel and promoting look like stupidity

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The FC Portland team that played this last wekend as the Navy team in the G18 has everyone committed to some level of college soccer but one.

These levels range from DI (money and walk-ons) to NAIA.

Why does it matter what level, or how much a player gets if they are going on to play. Isn't the point to PLAY. Find the school that fits your academic needs.

If you are putting soccer before academics you might as well get your MRS degree.

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The more ASSumptions you make the more you look like an .......

you may enjoy it but your kid hates listening to you talk about how she needs to play better from a guy who couldn't kick a ball. I bet they loath it.

Again you are probably u-14. Good luck making it to u-18.

Wrong on all five counts TROLL.

I can't imagine being such a bitter and negative person. I'll say a prayer for your children!

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I'll bet you your name on here that crossfires 94s do not have all commited. I'll go a step further. I'll bet you that only 50% of them are even commited at this point.

I'll also bet you that FC Portland has more than crossfire ecnl. I'll be you that PAC nw maroon has more commitments than FC and crossfire.

I guess your statements are pretty much worthless if the 2nd is true.

And this doesn't exclude the simple fact that a kid from Portland going to uw while a crossfire ecnl can't even get a hefty NAIA offer really makes your travel and promoting look like stupidity

Crossfire '94 has 11 committed. Considering they have only 16 that are really on the roster, (not the ecnl roster that is listed, that is a combination of a and b players, to give them bodies if injuries happen)that is a bit more than 50%. Baylor, Penn, UW, WSU, Idaho, Coloradox2, Ivy League School, UTSA, Alabama, Loyola...are the schools they are going to.

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Wrong on all five counts TROLL.

I can't imagine being such a bitter and negative person. I'll say a prayer for your children!

Says the parent who hauls their kid 30 hours a week in the car while critiquing them on their play.

Just because you say they are wrong doesn't mean they are. Unfortunately you can't make up things to hopefully recruit people to your island. Noone liked you when you were here, noone will follow you north.

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[QUOTE=Unregistered;909776]Says the parent who hauls their kid 30 hours a week in the car while critiquing them on their play.

Just because you say they are wrong doesn't mean they are. Unfortunately you can't make up things to hopefully recruit people to your island. Noone liked you when you were here, noone will follow you north.[/QUOTE

Troll - please explain why you are such an ECNL hater?

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Troll - please explain why you are such an ECNL hater?

Dont you know by now ?

The only peps on here that are haters of any thing that resembles the highest level of play are parents of a player that either didnt make the team at tryouts, been benched by others that are better or was cut from the team once they reached capacity.

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Dont you know by now ?

The only peps on here that are haters of any thing that resembles the highest level of play are parents of a player that either didnt make the team at tryouts, been benched by others that are better or was cut from the team once they reached capacity.

Uhhhhh but Crossfire has players that were cut by Onyx and I know they have players that wouldn't make Onyx...

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Dont you know by now ?

The only peps on here that are haters of any thing that resembles the highest level of play are parents of a player that either didnt make the team at tryouts, been benched by others that are better or was cut from the team once they reached capacity.

BAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA

All this talk about EXCELLENCE! HIGHEST LEVEL OF PLAY! BEST COMPETITION! BEST COACHING!


#POST

WASHINGTON PREMIER ECNL

Lost to Salmon Creek, Westside Timbers, Onyx, and Mountain United in NWCL

with a 8-13 G/D

Is this the type of excellence we should expect from ECNL?

Better idea! Why don't instead of going to play De Anza.....just come and play OPL and watch them struggle!


You better hope this years Crossfire team doesn't tie or lose to them like they normally do because won't that be a funny shot in your gut to think Crossfire can't even beat a team that got rolled up on by OPL teams.

Sounds like the highest level of play to me......................................maybe you should just go play at Salmon Creek and save yourself the embarrassment of having to justify yourself when people find out your cup is full of cool aid.

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I love how these ECNL people were pumping up the 94's of ECNL


Crossfire lost to OSSA...............

WPFC lost to FC Portland and OSSA


Let the excuses roll now? I thought the coaching/competition/ was BY FAR superior and how does an OPL team do that?

Man I can only imagine the shock and awe when a parent who has been sitting the bench at CRossfire ECNL for 3 years comes to find out they can't even beat a NON ECNL team from Oregon.