Timbers Academy U13/U14 Patterson Cup 2023 Results

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Do the TA coaches have any pride in player development? If someone asks them in a few years "hey which players did you bring through your youth program?" what are they gonna say? None?. Why would someone would like to work as a coach in an environment like that? It is not the $$ because I heard pay is low. Don't get it. You either work for $$ or recognition..it seems neither is present here.

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JW is Timbers discovery manager and has had final say for selections at the 09 ODP tryouts the past two years. He's the head coach at the Patterson Cup. For better or worse, these are the guys he wants. I think we're seeing that the training for many of this group prior to getting to this level has been sub-optimal, and that's primarily on Portland-area clubs and coaches. Surely the academy training will be better.

Wrong. CDP was the man last year and JW took his place.

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Oregon 09s can't score goals... look at the state cup final. Two "good" offenses vs two average defenses and the only goal scored was on a ridiculous keeper error.

Well they just scored a goal against SKC.

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Highlight of the tourney: the teams combined for 1 goal through 8 games. They’re now 0-8.

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Ha 0-8 now they know how NW Elite felt when they played the Thorns

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Its not about winning, its about development. So 0 and 8 scoring 1 goal is better than the teams that rolled them

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JW is Timbers discovery manager and has had final say for selections at the 09 ODP tryouts the past two years. He's the head coach at the Patterson Cup. For better or worse, these are the guys he wants. I think we're seeing that the training for many of this group prior to getting to this level has been sub-optimal, and that's primarily on Portland-area clubs and coaches. Surely the academy training will be better.

BS- in a world done right JW and academy staff would/are developing a curriculum and development process and spending time with the local club directors and “A” team coaches to teach what technical development should look like at each stage leading up to the time TA takes over the continuing development of those who have separated themselves from the group. Any quality organization starts from the top and permeates all the way down through the lowest levels.

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BS- in a world done right JW and academy staff would/are developing a curriculum and development process and spending time with the local club directors and “A” team coaches to teach what technical development should look like at each stage leading up to the time TA takes over the continuing development of those who have separated themselves from the group. Any quality organization starts from the top and permeates all the way down through the lowest levels.

They have no resume so they can't do what you propose. I don't understand why Timbers spend $$ to produce nothing. Wouldn't it better to spend a little bit more, hire appropriate coaching and attempt to bring to the 1st team a couple of players every few years? Why this status quo? Nobody comes through the academy. I don't get it.

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They have no resume so they can't do what you propose. I don't understand why Timbers spend $$ to produce nothing. Wouldn't it better to spend a little bit more, hire appropriate coaching and attempt to bring to the 1st team a couple of players every few years? Why this status quo? Nobody comes through the academy. I don't get it.

The first team head coach doesn’t care about bringing up youngsters. It’s that simple.

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BS- in a world done right JW and academy staff would/are developing a curriculum and development process and spending time with the local club directors and “A” team coaches to teach what technical development should look like at each stage leading up to the time TA takes over the continuing development of those who have separated themselves from the group. Any quality organization starts from the top and permeates all the way down through the lowest levels.

You say “any quality organization” after describing mooching off of local clubs. If Timbers want to be a “quality organizaiton” in the world of soccer, they should start their academy at much younger ages. End of story.

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Losing every game doesn’t taint TA quality one bit. I don’t know what PDX community wants from the program, with the aged out players TA wasn’t fun for a lot of the players because the in house competition made them get punished for mistakes which tanked any creativity players had. Now TA rolled out a methodology that lets players express themselves people anre quick to criticize.
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They are playing against teams that already have been playing together with players that may or may not be on TA roster. Don’t focus on results now, watch how they play with time performances will improve and results will come. If results matter 2/3rds of the players wouldn’t have been there. It’ll have been a team full of 6ft tall kids with a leg power of hulk and the touch of a tree trunk.

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The first team head coach doesn’t care about bringing up youngsters. It’s that simple.

Correct.

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Losing every game doesn’t taint TA quality one bit. I don’t know what PDX community wants from the program, with the aged out players TA wasn’t fun for a lot of the players because the in house competition made them get punished for mistakes which tanked any creativity players had. Now TA rolled out a methodology that lets players express themselves people anre quick to criticize.
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They are playing against teams that already have been playing together with players that may or may not be on TA roster. Don’t focus on results now, watch how they play with time performances will improve and results will come. If results matter 2/3rds of the players wouldn’t have been there. It’ll have been a team full of 6ft tall kids with a leg power of hulk and the touch of a tree trunk.

What's lost in this stirring conversation is the reality that the TA is really just another local club team comprised of local youth players and local part-time wannabe soccer coaches. It's cool the MLS single entity model mandates the Timbers have a couple of local youth boys club teams and the Timbers are thereby obligated by the MLS to cover the cost of participation and travel. Nobody in the PDX community really cares about this program, which matches Timber's ambitions as well. Their placeholder in the local club community allows the remaining beyond-average clubs to lean into creative Instagram posts and privates. It's truly a revolution, that has setback a once Regionally & Nationally relevant state to the dark ages. RCTID.

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Losing every game doesn’t taint TA quality one bit. I don’t know what PDX community wants from the program, with the aged out players TA wasn’t fun for a lot of the players because the in house competition made them get punished for mistakes which tanked any creativity players had. Now TA rolled out a methodology that lets players express themselves people anre quick to criticize.
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They are playing against teams that already have been playing together with players that may or may not be on TA roster. Don’t focus on results now, watch how they play with time performances will improve and results will come. If results matter 2/3rds of the players wouldn’t have been there. It’ll have been a team full of 6ft tall kids with a leg power of hulk and the touch of a tree trunk.

You don’t know what you’re talking about; they have tried to send the best players out there but it’s obvious their ability to evaluate is suspect. And they’re playing against teams that have been playing together the same amount of time that the Timbers discovery teams have. These are all pre-academy:discovery teams across the board at U13 and U14.

Both teams lost today and are now a combined 0-10. The 2009 team scored another goal while the 2010 is scoreless through 5 games. They have scored 2 goals in the tournament (both by 2009 crew) and give up 24.

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All those parents who’s kids didn’t get picked for Discovery on here just hoping for the TA teams to have a bad tournament so they can blame the coaches and say the players they were picked weren’t the best ones and how your kid is better and should’ve been picked. News flash your kid is still not at the level to make a Discovery program and or TA team and you being on here constantly crying about it will not I repeat will not make your kid better. The sad thing is we know who you are and how you come on here and talk about people but when you see them on the field you are a bunch of k*ss *SS and talk to them like you don’t come on here and bash them under a anonymous umbrella. The academy teams they are playing against have been playing together for 3+ years and are top rated academy teams at that how do you expect TA to do good when they come from competing in the Friendship Cup which is a joke of a tournament while the other academy teams just finished off their MLS next season. Sometimes I wonder how you as a parent think you know more than the coaches yet you yourselves have no idea what development is.