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How long is the rec season?

Nearly year round now.

How young does classic go now? Where should these very young kids be playing?

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Answer.

Nearly year round now.

How young does classic go now? Where should these very young kids be playing?

Classic usually starts, depending on club, at U-10 or U-11. Younger kids can do any number of rec clubs or teams associated with older, competitive clubs. Portland Metro area has many good grass soccer fields in parks and at schools. There are programs and teams from U-6 and older.

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The public has voted at the "voting booth" and the result is clear and plain to everyone. The "elite", as you define them in a mocking appearing manner, are the ones that use the facilities for their passion and love of the game. My daughter starting playing rec on school and park fields and then advanced to the best local fields. The best fields reduced injuries due to the level of play. The school and park fields were fine until her intensity and skill increased. She now plays for a PAC-12 school. All of the fields are paid for by taxpayer money. She almost never played on a private field. Remember, THPRD manages fields for schools and even the new Timbers facility. Almost all of the local, Beaverton, fields are scheduled through THPRD. The only problem here is that the DOC at ASC wants his players on certain fields, something even my daughter understands is not realistic or warranted. Please stop posting nonsense.

Do you care about the injuries to the rec kids? My daughter played rec and repeatedly twisted her ankle in practice because of the field. Many kids, I know had foot and knee injuries. Most of her team played together for 8-9 years, and they had a better team and coach than at least some classic teams. Most could not move up to classic because of time, money, multiple kids/sports/activites etc, and they wanted to stay together with their coach and friends.

Because of her ankle problems my daughter had to sit out in HS, she could not even ref several times because of her injuries. With a brace and PT, she went on to play HS (BSD) and "classic". She still plays soccer and refs even if she isn't D1.

You can not know which U11 kids are going to play D1 soccer.

I don't know what AU wants now, but they did put 50K into AHS turf with promises and got very little out of it, besides lies. Practice on Turf and access for AU and SW Beaverton is greatly needed.

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Thinking a consolidation of clubs will increase or even maintain player involvement is misguided and there is no evidence to back this up. It is all hyperbole at best.

Consolidation will not change the coaching staff currently residing in Oregon.

You might say there would also be a consolidation of coaches.... which would coincide with the consolidation of teams. Either you have the same number of teams and coaches, which leaves you with the same quality coaching OR you realize a reduction in the number of teams, coaches and players.

Simple logic.

as someone who has seen consolidation, I can validate this. This does not change the quality of coaching or the quality of leadership. It just changes the way players are assigned to teams. You may have better teams at the top (and worse teams at the bottom), but there is no change in the quality of individual players. Good coaches with strong development programs to support them is what we need.

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#1 Look North to Crossfire, Eastside or Washington Premier FC if you need proof of what consolidation can do for competitive soccer. Locally look to OSSA to see what is possible at the older age groups in regards to access. The five member clubs would not be fielding a total of four teams per age! Then look across the Atlantic to see how soccer "clubs" are really run and you will see we are an infant acting like infants when it comes to premier level soccer.

#2 There are a limited number of qualified coaches in the Metro area and there is not a single club with a complete roster for even one sex so when you realize that consolidation would increase that likelihood and then realize the assistants would have first hand experience working with better coaches rather than getting the title head coach regardless of experience you "should" get the idea but you probably will continue to argue that dilution of a limited resource is a good think....typcial Oregonian!

1. There are plenty of clubs in the Washington area in addition to Crossfire, Eastside, or Washington Premier, so I don't know what you are talking about. OSSA is a good club, but prior to OSSA's exsitence.... I remember LO being a pretty good club as well. In fact they were one of Top Drawer's top club not too long ago. You really can't compare how we run a club vs. the clubs in Europe. For one thing there is much more money in their system to fund youth training programs. Players from these academies feed into their professional system which generates money. We don't have that kind of money here for soccer. Soccer is not the #1 sport in USA. It is the #1 rec sport, but will not compete with football, basketball, or baseball at the next level. In fact on the boys side, I see Lacrosse catching up.

2. Paying $500 per month is not going to attract top level talent.

What is up with the talk about "infants acting like infants when it comes to premier level soccer" ? The fact that you think you know much about premier level soccer is laughable because if that was the case you would probably not be living in Oregon or commenting on this thread. At the end of the day whether it is "rec" or "competitive" in Oregon it is just a sport meant for the kids to enjoy. You need to stop taking yourself so seriously.

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Questions for you.

Do you care about the injuries to the rec kids? My daughter played rec and repeatedly twisted her ankle in practice because of the field. Many kids, I know had foot and knee injuries. Most of her team played together for 8-9 years, and they had a better team and coach than at least some classic teams. Most could not move up to classic because of time, money, multiple kids/sports/activites etc, and they wanted to stay together with their coach and friends.

Because of her ankle problems my daughter had to sit out in HS, she could not even ref several times because of her injuries. With a brace and PT, she went on to play HS (BSD) and "classic". She still plays soccer and refs even if she isn't D1.

You can not know which U11 kids are going to play D1 soccer.

I don't know what AU wants now, but they did put 50K into AHS turf with promises and got very little out of it, besides lies. Practice on Turf and access for AU and SW Beaverton is greatly needed.

1. I am genuinely sorry for your daughter's injuries. My DD has had some severe injuries and they are not good or fun. I hope she has fully recovered now.

2. Why, as an adult and a parent, did you allow your poor daughter to get repeatedly injured? My DD has played on probably every field in Portland and few could cause injuries. Yes, there is long grass and pits in front of the goal and giant mud puddles.
Did you not get her proper medical care? Did the coach not train the players to be physically fit enough to play the game. Did she not heed the doctor's advice about when to start playing again? Your comment about "repeatedly twisted her ankle in practice" is highly suspect. First, if it occurred, you would be using different terminology to describe the injury. Second, foot and knee injuries happen on the best of fields, it's girl's soccer. Do you not know the greater injury rate for girls playing soccer?

3. Your description of playing rec for 8-9 years and then "classic" plus high school seems odd. Was she like 23 when she graduated high school? By the way, your rec team or coach wasn't better than "some classic teams".

4. At the age of U-11, it is obvious who might be a future D-1 player, but whether it happens or not depends on several factors. Stars at this age may not be at U-18. But, you can usually tell which players won't be. How many of the DD's wonderful rec team play D-1 soccer?

5. So the DOC at AUSC tells you that $50,000 went to the AHS field. Really? Even small children wouldn't give $50K to anybody without a written understanding of what was to come in return. Do you actually have any evidence of this transaction?

6. Please tell me that you really think your rec player and my competitive player both belong on the few artificial turf fields in the area as wanted. My DD rarely played on them. She played on the same fields as your DD. What makes your DD, your team, and your club more special than others?

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How many people living in Aloha are actually in district for THPRD? Just because the Beaverton School District maintains their schools does not mean they are entitled to THPRD access.

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Since when did rolling ankles come into the argument of field usage. That has more to do with genetics, muscular efficiency, and structural alignment than it does the field.

The great US National Women's team that won the WC in the 90's grew up playing on crap fields. None of them are complaining. Honestly there is much that can be beneficial at times with training on grass fields and difficult surfaces.

Turf fields are nice, primarily because of the year round training opportunities and the ability to prepare on a surface that you will be competing on in a future competition.

Rec soccer is not year round, nor does it travel out of state, and the surface consistency/preparation is not needed. More than anything, it will hurt a rec soccer program to practice on turf and then compete on grass. The players of this caliber are playing this level, because either they're never going to be able to differentiate their play or they never will NEED to learn for whatever reasons. More than anything, giving turf field to a couple selective rec clubs will hurt them more than help.

Focus on what's important. Develop your coaches, create your identity, find success in areas that are much greater than the size of your club. If you really want to shake up the soccer world, create your own Futsal club within. There is not a shortage on gyms, parking lots, tennis courts, and flat surfaces. All areas that are incredible to develop the highest levels of players.

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1. There are plenty of clubs in the Washington area in addition to Crossfire, Eastside, or Washington Premier, so I don't know what you are talking about. OSSA is a good club, but prior to OSSA's exsitence.... I remember LO being a pretty good club as well. In fact they were one of Top Drawer's top club not too long ago. You really can't compare how we run a club vs. the clubs in Europe. For one thing there is much more money in their system to fund youth training programs. Players from these academies feed into their professional system which generates money. We don't have that kind of money here for soccer. Soccer is not the #1 sport in USA. It is the #1 rec sport, but will not compete with football, basketball, or baseball at the next level. In fact on the boys side, I see Lacrosse catching up.

2. Paying $500 per month is not going to attract top level talent.

What is up with the talk about "infants acting like infants when it comes to premier level soccer" ? The fact that you think you know much about premier level soccer is laughable because if that was the case you would probably not be living in Oregon or commenting on this thread. At the end of the day whether it is "rec" or "competitive" in Oregon it is just a sport meant for the kids to enjoy. You need to stop taking yourself so seriously.

First, the coaching at Crossfire and WPFC and Eastside is deeper than at any OR club therefore all players regardless of A B or C teams get better coaching. With consolidation the theory is that if you merge three clubs you can take the money that you would pay the two other DOC's and administrators and spread that down the coaching ranks and attract better coaches from all over the country.

Second, did I say that the COACHING at OSSA was better? Noooooo I did not. I said that the access for the PLAYERS was better than if those clubs were trying to field HS age teams on their own.

Oregon is a baby when it comes to premier soccer for many reasons one of which is the dilution of talent and the other is because in the Metro area not one club controls their fields or has a top flight facility and we do not have a single club that can put top quality coaches on the pitch in every age group of even one sex.

While running your own mom & pop business may seem like a good idea in youth soccer it is not a recipe with which to compete on a national or even a regional level!

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First, the coaching at Crossfire and WPFC and Eastside is deeper than at any OR club therefore all players regardless of A B or C teams get better coaching. With consolidation the theory is that if you merge three clubs you can take the money that you would pay the two other DOC's and administrators and spread that down the coaching ranks and attract better coaches from all over the country.

Second, did I say that the COACHING at OSSA was better? Noooooo I did not. I said that the access for the PLAYERS was better than if those clubs were trying to field HS age teams on their own.

Oregon is a baby when it comes to premier soccer for many reasons one of which is the dilution of talent and the other is because in the Metro area not one club controls their fields or has a top flight facility and we do not have a single club that can put top quality coaches on the pitch in every age group of even one sex.

While running your own mom & pop business may seem like a good idea in youth soccer it is not a recipe with which to compete on a national or even a regional level!

Your premise is wrong on coaching because it assumes the weakest Crossfire or Eastside coach is better than the best OSSA coach. I doubt that very much.

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Deeper = more qualified coaches

Your premise is wrong on coaching because it assumes the weakest Crossfire or Eastside coach is better than the best OSSA coach. I doubt that very much.

When I say deeper I mean that EVERY team has a good coach where there is not a single club that has the same caliber of coaches at each age group. I would say if looked closely you would see that the Crossfire Assistants would be head coaches here in PDX and only a handful of our head coaches could get hired up north. If you need proof why don't our "good coaches go north for much more money and deeper talent...oh right they just want to be teachers or the weather is better here....GMFB!

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First, the coaching at Crossfire and WPFC and Eastside is deeper than at any OR club therefore all players regardless of A B or C teams get better coaching. With consolidation the theory is that if you merge three clubs you can take the money that you would pay the two other DOC's and administrators and spread that down the coaching ranks and attract better coaches from all over the country. Second, did I say that the COACHING at OSSA was better? Noooooo I did not. I said that the access for the PLAYERS was better than if those clubs were trying to field HS age teams on their own. Oregon is a baby when it comes to premier soccer for many reasons one of which is the dilution of talent and the other is because in the Metro area not one club controls their fields or has a top flight facility and we do not have a single club that can put top quality coaches on the pitch in every age group of even one sex. While running your own mom & pop business may seem like a good idea in youth soccer it is not a recipe with which to compete on a national or even a regional level!

How familiar are you with the coaching at Crossfire, WPFC, and Eastside that you would go about making a stupid generic statement that all players are getting better coaching at these clubs.

Also, I did not say anthing about the coaching at OSSA. I just said that LO fielded very good teams prior to OSSA. OSSA is basically LO team plus a few players that would likely join LO any way if there was not a OSSA.

While running your mouth about how great consolidation is... it is obvious you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

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When I say deeper I mean that EVERY team has a good coach where there is not a single club that has the same caliber of coaches at each age group. I would say if looked closely you would see that the Crossfire Assistants would be head coaches here in PDX and only a handful of our head coaches could get hired up north. If you need proof why don't our "good coaches go north for much more money and deeper talent...oh right they just want to be teachers or the weather is better here....GMFB!

And you know the Crossfire assistants, right?? As well as Eastside, right? Because you are so knowledgeable about Washington soccer?

PDX has plenty of good assistants as well. Just take a look at LO and FC Portland's coaching line up.

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When I say deeper I mean that EVERY team has a good coach where there is not a single club that has the same caliber of coaches at each age group. I would say if looked closely you would see that the Crossfire Assistants would be head coaches here in PDX and only a handful of our head coaches could get hired up north. If you need proof why don't our "good coaches go north for much more money and deeper talent...oh right they just want to be teachers or the weather is better here....GMFB!

I could only assume you meant what you wrote. We can't read your mind so say what you mean and stop whining when you get called on nonsense.

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1. I am genuinely sorry for your daughter's injuries. My DD has had some severe injuries and they are not good or fun. I hope she has fully recovered now.

2. Why, as an adult and a parent, did you allow your poor daughter to get repeatedly injured? My DD has played on probably every field in Portland and few could cause injuries. Yes, there is long grass and pits in front of the goal and giant mud puddles.
Did you not get her proper medical care? Did the coach not train the players to be physically fit enough to play the game. Did she not heed the doctor's advice about when to start playing again? Your comment about "repeatedly twisted her ankle in practice" is highly suspect. First, if it occurred, you would be using different terminology to describe the injury. Second, foot and knee injuries happen on the best of fields, it's girl's soccer. Do you not know the greater injury rate for girls playing soccer?

3. Your description of playing rec for 8-9 years and then "classic" plus high school seems odd. Was she like 23 when she graduated high school? By the way, your rec team or coach wasn't better than "some classic teams".

4. At the age of U-11, it is obvious who might be a future D-1 player, but whether it happens or not depends on several factors. Stars at this age may not be at U-18. But, you can usually tell which players won't be. How many of the DD's wonderful rec team play D-1 soccer?

5. So the DOC at AUSC tells you that $50,000 went to the AHS field. Really? Even small children wouldn't give $50K to anybody without a written understanding of what was to come in return. Do you actually have any evidence of this transaction?

6. Please tell me that you really think your rec player and my competitive player both belong on the few artificial turf fields in the area as wanted. My DD rarely played on them. She played on the same fields as your DD. What makes your DD, your team, and your club more special than others?

1. Thanks, and agreed.

2. Did get training, field bad, practice intense but good, tried other options, loved playing. Long story. My response was to your statement that your daughter deserves the better fields to prevent injury, well what about my kid?

3. Played k-8th grade, same core team/coach.

4. At least 1 plus others playing college!

5. Agreed, big mistake and just shows how trustworthy BK, AHS, BSD,THJSL/THPRD are and why it may take lawyers and a court to sort this out.

6. Again just responding to your comment when you said that your DD was better and deserved the better fields. What makes your DD more special than mine? The problem was amplified this spring when all of the grass fields were closed because of the wet.

Just try to understand the needs of many kids in THPRD including Aloha and SW Beaverton area!