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as a potential OPL newbie, how does it work? who decides and when? is there a specific rule that prohibits teams from starting in Premier? RCL locks in soon....

Angela. OPL Director Nightmare.

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as a potential OPL newbie, how does it work? who decides and when? is there a specific rule that prohibits teams from starting in Premier? RCL locks in soon....

The way it's suppose to work is top six from last Fall get automatic spots in Premier. Bottom two drop a division. Top two go up a division. But sometimes circumstances get in the way. Like Vancouver wanting in. Or maybe a Premier team dissolves. Then what? Then it's basically all the DOCs get in a room and discus team placement. The eight founding DOCs have final say but take input from all the other DOCs. Good luck to your team.

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Top 16 Vancouver/Oregon

1- Vancouver Red
2- FC Portland
3- Eugene
4- THUSC
5- WSA Valencia
6- Lake Oswego
7- SC Nemesis
8- WUSC
9- Bend RUSH
10- Bridlemile
11- Westside
12- WSA Liberty
13- FC White
14- RVSC
15- Eastside
16- THUSC Cronium

Zirconium was a finalist in the State Cup and won the United Cup, beating Vancouver in the finals 2-0. 4th?

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Zirconium was a finalist in the State Cup and won the United Cup, beating Vancouver in the finals 2-0. 4th?

The top 4 on the list can win or lose to each other on any day, many ties. After the top 4 it drops off quickly.

I found it curious the Bodnar team from 3 Rivers (Tri-Cites) is maybe a top 16 team in WA and they beat LO 2-1 at the clash this weekend. I know one game doesn't tell you a lot about a team, but it does show the depth that WA has over OR. After the top 3-4 in WA their seems to be a drop off as well. The difference is WA has 20 more teams after them that can beat an LO on any given day. And LO seems to beat every team in OR except the top 3 on most days. I think we have a strong age group. Is it like this at all age groups? Is it better? Is it worse? I guess I wonder why our #5 can't seem to be as good as their #5 consistently, or even our #20 vs their #20.

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The top 4 on the list can win or lose to each other on any day, many ties. After the top 4 it drops off quickly.

I found it curious the Bodnar team from 3 Rivers (Tri-Cites) is maybe a top 16 team in WA and they beat LO 2-1 at the clash this weekend. I know one game doesn't tell you a lot about a team, but it does show the depth that WA has over OR. After the top 3-4 in WA their seems to be a drop off as well. The difference is WA has 20 more teams after them that can beat an LO on any given day. And LO seems to beat every team in OR except the top 3 on most days. I think we have a strong age group. Is it like this at all age groups? Is it better? Is it worse? I guess I wonder why our #5 can't seem to be as good as their #5 consistently, or even our #20 vs their #20.

If you consider-- in no particular order- these as the top GU-13 teams in Washington--

XFire A
Xfire B
NWN
V Timbers 99 Reds
Seattle United
Eastside
Washington Rush
Spokane

Then it's safer to say their seperation comes after those 8. First 6 in that list are probably a bit better than Rush and Spokane, but on any given day....

3 Rivers is in the mix for top 16 in there.

most likely due to a larger population to pull from. Of course, that doesn't explain why Vancouver has 2-3 teams at this age that would challenge for top spot in OPL-- Timbers and Valencia....maybe Nemesis....

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The top 4 on the list can win or lose to each other on any day, many ties. After the top 4 it drops off quickly.

I found it curious the Bodnar team from 3 Rivers (Tri-Cites) is maybe a top 16 team in WA and they beat LO 2-1 at the clash this weekend. I know one game doesn't tell you a lot about a team, but it does show the depth that WA has over OR. After the top 3-4 in WA their seems to be a drop off as well. The difference is WA has 20 more teams after them that can beat an LO on any given day. And LO seems to beat every team in OR except the top 3 on most days. I think we have a strong age group. Is it like this at all age groups? Is it better? Is it worse? I guess I wonder why our #5 can't seem to be as good as their #5 consistently, or even our #20 vs their #20.

I think that's a pretty accurate analysis. The obvious answer as to why Washington has more depth than Oregon is population. I have a daughter and couple of nieces in older age groups and I can tell you that this(U-13) age group from Oregon is unique. Our top three can "keep it close" with the top three from Washington and really compete with the next three/four. That hasn't always been the case with the other age groups that I've been involved with. The burning question that I'm trying to figure out is whether it's that Washington's group is weaker than normal or if Oregon's group is just better than typical.

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i think that's a pretty accurate analysis. The obvious answer as to why washington has more depth than oregon is population. I have a daughter and couple of nieces in older age groups and i can tell you that this(u-13) age group from oregon is unique. Our top three can "keep it close" with the top three from washington and really compete with the next three/four. That hasn't always been the case with the other age groups that i've been involved with. The burning question that i'm trying to figure out is whether it's that washington's group is weaker than normal or if oregon's group is just better than typical.

they are 12 years old!

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they are 12 years old!

Yes they are 12. Have you seen a good U13 team play. These little girls can play. When a team of 12 year old girls can beat a team of the Dads pretty easily I think it's time to show these little girls a little respect. I know the Dads from my DD team would get our butts kicked.

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true

Zirconium was a finalist in the State Cup and won the United Cup, beating Vancouver in the finals 2-0. 4th?

True, but i should point this out.

Valencia beat them 1-0

They got beat by a FC 3-0 in state cup who fared poorly in US club, especially against the Timbers.

Eugene is based on their showings in league play and US Club.

Timbers are 3-1-1 against them.

4th is based on the fact their is no reason to think they would beat a Valencia or FC, Eugene, based on their inconsistent play.

Scores only go so far but seeing games which I haven't but heard, its easier to see who is more dominant.

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The top 4 on the list can win or lose to each other on any day, many ties. After the top 4 it drops off quickly.

I found it curious the Bodnar team from 3 Rivers (Tri-Cites) is maybe a top 16 team in WA and they beat LO 2-1 at the clash this weekend. I know one game doesn't tell you a lot about a team, but it does show the depth that WA has over OR. After the top 3-4 in WA their seems to be a drop off as well. The difference is WA has 20 more teams after them that can beat an LO on any given day. And LO seems to beat every team in OR except the top 3 on most days. I think we have a strong age group. Is it like this at all age groups? Is it better? Is it worse? I guess I wonder why our #5 can't seem to be as good as their #5 consistently, or even our #20 vs their #20.

3 Rivers Bodnar is a RCL division 3 team and not the top of that division. They do bring athleticism due to play pools etc that unless you are overwhelmingly more athletic or distinctly more skilled one would lose to them any given day.

The problem with most teams is that they do not play with skill 90% of the time and rely on athleticism and ball striking so ultimately results are not usually consistent from Division 2-3 RCL including all but 1-2 team in OPL premier. Lake Oswego who look like they try to play with skill just dont have the play pool like a Spokane to pull it off.

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I think that's a pretty accurate analysis. The obvious answer as to why Washington has more depth than Oregon is population. I have a daughter and couple of nieces in older age groups and I can tell you that this(U-13) age group from Oregon is unique. Our top three can "keep it close" with the top three from Washington and really compete with the next three/four. That hasn't always been the case with the other age groups that I've been involved with. The burning question that I'm trying to figure out is whether it's that Washington's group is weaker than normal or if Oregon's group is just better than typical.

I need to point out that it is usually this way at U-12. By U-13 shown by this year and U-14+..the gap will be significant. This is simply fact due to their player pool and structure of clubs.

I can tell you this from experience having 2 daughters already go through the Vancouver club system in that everyone was pretty equal at the younger age but Washington takes off at GU-13. You'll see that the comparison this year in NWCL won't be even.

Top 5 teams in RCL will be more skilled and what will be more significant is the athleticism of all the teams which they have hundreds of kids to choose from while FC, THUSC, LO split quality and Xfire, NWN, Eastside do not have to.

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answer and question

Aren't you two (Liberty and Valencia) part of the same club?

Liberty dominated alot of the game against Valencia and the Valencia parents whined about the physicality to the refs the ENTIRE game.

2-0 Timbers Vs. Valencia in finals. Heard it was domination through and through but would need confirmation on that.

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I need to point out that it is usually this way at U-12. By U-13 shown by this year and U-14+..the gap will be significant. This is simply fact due to their player pool and structure of clubs.

I can tell you this from experience having 2 daughters already go through the Vancouver club system in that everyone was pretty equal at the younger age but Washington takes off at GU-13. You'll see that the comparison this year in NWCL won't be even.

Top 5 teams in RCL will be more skilled and what will be more significant is the athleticism of all the teams which they have hundreds of kids to choose from while FC, THUSC, LO split quality and Xfire, NWN, Eastside do not have to.

The difference is coaching. Washington focuses more on individuals and expressing their talent. More and better coaches and increased competition between coaching for jobs makes them work harder.

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I can tell you this from experience having 2 daughters already go through the Vancouver club system in that everyone was pretty equal at the younger age but Washington takes off at GU-13. You'll see that the comparison this year in NWCL won't be even.

Top 5 teams in RCL will be more skilled and what will be more significant is the athleticism of all the teams which they have hundreds of kids to choose from while FC, THUSC, LO split quality and Xfire, NWN, Eastside do not have to.

This is typically true but it's not all bad news for the Oregon teams. Normally there are 1-2 Oregon teams per age group that will continue to compete with WA and do very well.

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It's Not Rocket Science Folks

The difference is coaching. Washington focuses more on individuals and expressing their talent. More and better coaches and increased competition between coaching for jobs makes them work harder.

same applies for coaching .... more and better coaching is a function of population and salaries paid .... The seattle area just has more. Where Oregon has 1 or 2 Seattle has 4-6. Purely a function of demographics.