2013 ODP Regional Camp Rosters

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Missing the point

Decisions about invites to regional pool were not under the control or direction of OR ODP (Eryk or the coaches).

The point IS that now there is no such thing as a "Regional Camp" with the breakout of WA and SoCal. The point is that this years 95 % 96 coaches never allowed many players to play in their usual positions because they needed to put together teams. Given that the players only had 1/2 hour to exhibit their position skills in limited situations before the selections were made one has to wonder if they are the best evaluators in soccer or if there were predetermined slots.

The RESULT of this placement was sending less than the best players to holdover in many positions.

The effect this process has on the attractiveness of paying the money and taking the time for Oregon ODP is very negative. When a process demonstrates as this year's did that there is not a open and thorough evaluation and comparison of the reputation players to the players who have advanced through merit it is CORRUPT and has no value to players who are not blessed with a the "reputation".

No this is not Erik's or the OR ODP coaches fault but it is the system they have to sell parents and the players. Good luck with that!

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The point IS that now there is no such thing as a "Regional Camp" with the breakout of WA and SoCal. The point is that this years 95 % 96 coaches never allowed many players to play in their usual positions because they needed to put together teams. Given that the players only had 1/2 hour to exhibit their position skills in limited situations before the selections were made one has to wonder if they are the best evaluators in soccer or if there were predetermined slots.

The RESULT of this placement was sending less than the best players to holdover in many positions.

The effect this process has on the attractiveness of paying the money and taking the time for Oregon ODP is very negative. When a process demonstrates as this year's did that there is not a open and thorough evaluation and comparison of the reputation players to the players who have advanced through merit it is CORRUPT and has no value to players who are not blessed with a the "reputation".

No this is not Erik's or the OR ODP coaches fault but it is the system they have to sell parents and the players. Good luck with that!

It will be harder to sell this year--at least for the 97 and 98 age groups. People have caught on that ODP is a waste of time/money.

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It will be harder to sell this year--at least for the 97 and 98 age groups. People have caught on that ODP is a waste of time/money.

Right you are. Problem is kids that are at the top will still want to get to the next level. Few if any will want to waste their time and money at the state level. So what to do (thinking?)

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Right you are. Problem is kids that are at the top will still want to get to the next level. Few if any will want to waste their time and money at the state level. So what to do (thinking?)

Charter a bus and play ECNL up north?

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Right you are. Problem is kids that are at the top will still want to get to the next level. Few if any will want to waste their time and money at the state level. So what to do (thinking?)

One option is the id2 program. Sure coaches at the local level recommend kids, but it is the national scouts evaluation that gets them to the next level. No politics involved as it is the reputation of the scout that is on the line. For some sucking up to the coach may get there child a look but nothing more, and the coach will lose credibility if they keep sending under qualified players for evaluation. In short the national scout will not send a player if they don't think they are at that level. Probably the direction odp will start to go as enrollment drops.

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Right you are. Problem is kids that are at the top will still want to get to the next level. Few if any will want to waste their time and money at the state level. So what to do (thinking?)

ECNL if you are a girl and Academy if you are a boy

ECNL while not offered in Oregon is available to regional level players. Almost all ECNL teams are on the lookout for additional high level talent and they each have 2 slots that they can offer to "discovery" players that allow the discovery players to continue to be rostered on their own club team. That is why so many Oregon girls are not participating in ECNL. Participate in ECNL and you can get picked for ODP without having to do much.

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ECNL if you are a girl and Academy if you are a boy

ECNL while not offered in Oregon is available to regional level players. Almost all ECNL teams are on the lookout for additional high level talent and they each have 2 slots that they can offer to "discovery" players that allow the discovery players to continue to be rostered on their own club team. That is why so many Oregon girls are not participating in ECNL. Participate in ECNL and you can get picked for ODP without having to do much.

So you are saying that there are ECNL teams out there with Oregon players on them? Please share which teams these are.

I have a difficult time believing an ECNL team located in Cali or Washington or further away is going to have a guest player on it that none of the girls know and who doesn't practice with the team.

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So you are saying that there are ECNL teams out there with Oregon players on them? Please share which teams these are.

I have a difficult time believing an ECNL team located in Cali or Washington or further away is going to have a guest player on it that none of the girls know and who doesn't practice with the team.

Basically all teams everywhere compete for talent. States with multiple ECNL teams have to compete with other ECNL teams and with strong clubs participating in other leagues for quality players. I would have been surprised when my child was younger but now that my child is frequently contacted by out of state teams I see how it happens. Examples include Colorado Rush (which is one of the top ECNL clubs in the nation) at the U17 formerly U16 there are two Oregon Rush girls that play in all the tournaments. Crossfire has several Oregon girls and would take a quality addition at any time.

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Basically all teams everywhere compete for talent. States with multiple ECNL teams have to compete with other ECNL teams and with strong clubs participating in other leagues for quality players. I would have been surprised when my child was younger but now that my child is frequently contacted by out of state teams I see how it happens. Examples include Colorado Rush (which is one of the top ECNL clubs in the nation) at the U17 formerly U16 there are two Oregon Rush girls that play in all the tournaments. Crossfire has several Oregon girls and would take a quality addition at any time.

Rush in itself is an option most of Oregon does not have. As most know bend is a rush affiliated club and for those kids that's great. Rush often uses players from other rush affiliates. However that is not available to rest of us. Rush players have a huge advantage if they are identified as top tier players. Really one should not worry. If your kid Is a top tier player they will get there chance at something, be ecnl, odp, academy, ect. The ultimate goal for most is college or the national team. If your kid is really good (not I the eyes of a parent good) they will get a chance to go as far as there ability will take them. who they play for is not as important as you might think.

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Rush in itself is an option most of Oregon does not have. As most know bend is a rush affiliated club and for those kids that's great. Rush often uses players from other rush affiliates. However that is not available to rest of us. Rush players have a huge advantage if they are identified as top tier players. Really one should not worry. If your kid Is a top tier player they will get there chance at something, be ecnl, odp, academy, ect. The ultimate goal for most is college or the national team. If your kid is really good (not I the eyes of a parent good) they will get a chance to go as far as there ability will take them. who they play for is not as important as you might think.

I agree that all top tier players ultimately get many opportunities. It doesn't really matter what team or club they play for.

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Rush in itself is an option most of Oregon does not have. As most know bend is a rush affiliated club and for those kids that's great. Rush often uses players from other rush affiliates. However that is not available to rest of us. Rush players have a huge advantage if they are identified as top tier players. Really one should not worry. If your kid Is a top tier player they will get there chance at something, be ecnl, odp, academy, ect. The ultimate goal for most is college or the national team. If your kid is really good (not I the eyes of a parent good) they will get a chance to go as far as there ability will take them. who they play for is not as important as you might think.

We know of one local player (ODP regional level) that plays for Rush but lives in the PDX metro area. Maybe that is why they choose to play on a out of town team. Is the Rush affiliate connected hence these players getting chosen for the ODP regional pool.

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We know of one local player (ODP regional level) that plays for Rush but lives in the PDX metro area. Maybe that is why they choose to play on a out of town team. Is the Rush affiliate connected hence these players getting chosen for the ODP regional pool.

Bingo. Pretty much how it works.

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We know of one local player (ODP regional level) that plays for Rush but lives in the PDX metro area. Maybe that is why they choose to play on a out of town team. Is the Rush affiliate connected hence these players getting chosen for the ODP regional pool.

My DD is one of the kids who plays for Rush but does not live in the Bend area. For us we ended up there without planning it out and ended up staying because she likes it there. At first the draw was the director John O'Sullivan who has since moved on. We were amazed at his level of involvement with the club athletes as this is not something we had experienced prior.

As a previous poster mentioned, Rush does have Rush "Select" opportunities for their top tier players. It is sort of cool and a way to meet other Rush players from around the US.

As for the connections with ODP, I doubt Rush coaches are any more connected than any other club coaches. Even so, Rush does have some directors with amazing qualifications including the Oregon Rush director who was a MLS coach and has been a part of 2 youth national championships and one professional national championship.

If the inference is that these kids are being picked for the Region IV Pool because of their Rush affiliation, I would have to disagree. Great club though!!

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One option is the id2 program. Sure coaches at the local level recommend kids, but it is the national scouts evaluation that gets them to the next level. No politics involved as it is the reputation of the scout that is on the line. For some sucking up to the coach may get there child a look but nothing more, and the coach will lose credibility if they keep sending under qualified players for evaluation. In short the national scout will not send a player if they don't think they are at that level. Probably the direction odp will start to go as enrollment drops.

Id2 is for younger ages. This year they'll scout the 99-00 age group. Next year 00-01 and so forth.

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I say for boys the ultimate goal at this point is making the Timbers DA program. I know people are already trash talking the program, but yet, all vying for a spot. In my opinion, why forego a chance at paying virtually nothing to play against the best competition across the nation? Under great coaching might I add.