You make the Call

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In an effort to actually educate TS readers I thought that we should regularly post game situations where from the sidelines the referee's call did not square with our understanding of the rules.

So for the first installment here we go: The play happens in the box where Offensive player 1 is on-sides and shoots. The ball rebounds off the goalie to offensive player 2, who at the time offensive player 1 shot the ball was off-sides. Offensive player 2 cleans up the lose ball and puts it in the net.

The AR rules that offensive player 2 was offsides at the time of offensive player 1 shot therefore the goal is disallowed.

However I was told that once the goalie's touch sent the ball back up field that the off-sides did not apply to offensive player 2.

Now you make the call!

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Unfortunately offside. Had happen to my daughters high school team, took a while but accepted the result after several months.

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Timbers Goal

Unfortunately offside. Had happen to my daughters high school team, took a while but accepted the result after several months.

I will have to disagree since I watched Boyd score the Timbers goal last night in a similar situation.

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It depends on where player 2 was in relation the defensive players of the other team, and where player 2 was when the ball was played.

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This is, without a doubt, offside. The play is judged at the time that player 1 shoots the ball. Last night Boyd was clearly onside when the cross was hit. A defensive touch or deflection does NOT make the player onside. No controversy on this call.

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In an effort to actually educate TS readers I thought that we should regularly post game situations where from the sidelines the referee's call did not square with our understanding of the rules.

So for the first installment here we go: The play happens in the box where Offensive player 1 is on-sides and shoots. The ball rebounds off the goalie to offensive player 2, who at the time offensive player 1 shot the ball was off-sides. Offensive player 2 cleans up the lose ball and puts it in the net.

The AR rules that offensive player 2 was offsides at the time of offensive player 1 shot therefore the goal is disallowed.

However I was told that once the goalie's touch sent the ball back up field that the off-sides did not apply to offensive player 2.

Now you make the call!

From where I was standing, Player 2 was onsides when Player 1 shot. So onsides. Player 2 is my daughter by the way. And she is never offsides.

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From the Pros

In an effort to actually educate TS readers I thought that we should regularly post game situations where from the sidelines the referee's call did not square with our understanding of the rules.

So for the first installment here we go: The play happens in the box where Offensive player 1 is on-sides and shoots. The ball rebounds off the goalie to offensive player 2, who at the time offensive player 1 shot the ball was off-sides. Offensive player 2 cleans up the lose ball and puts it in the net.

The AR rules that offensive player 2 was offsides at the time of offensive player 1 shot therefore the goal is disallowed.

However I was told that once the goalie's touch sent the ball back up field that the off-sides did not apply to offensive player 2.

Now you make the call!

REF WATCH]

We asked "Preventive Officiating" author Randy Vogt for his take on the officiating of the Champions League final:

Referee Pedro Proenca and his officiating crew can be very happy with their performance during the final.

In the 53rd minute, a Bayern Munich goal was correctly disallowed for offside. A shot deflected off Chelsea defender Ashley Cole to Bayern’s Frank Ribery, who had been in an offside position when the ball was shot. Assistant referee Bertino Miranda correctly saw that Ribery had been less than a yard offside when the shot was taken. A good call by Miranda and a relatively easy one to make for a very experienced AR.

On a play such as this, the AR makes a mental note of the player(s) in an offside position at the taking of a shot, then raises the flag only if the offside player becomes involved in the play. It’s important to stress that if a defender redirects a pass or shot to an attacker in an offside position when the ball was passed or shot, it’s offside. But should a defender pass the ball to an attacker in an offside position, play continues as it is not offside.


So the answer is TS readers on a "Delfection" the orginal psotion applies BUT on a defensive "pass" the position is NOT carried over!

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I will have to disagree since I watched Boyd score the Timbers goal last night in a similar situation.

The referee/linesman also missed a legitimate PK....looking at the Boyd goal replay....he was onsides when the shot was taken.

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The referee/linesman also missed a legitimate PK....looking at the Boyd goal replay....he was onsides when the shot was taken.

That's correct. Boyd was miles onside. Haven't seen a replay of the penalty non-call. Sure looked like a penalty live.

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In an effort to actually educate TS readers I thought that we should regularly post game situations where from the sidelines the referee's call did not square with our understanding of the rules.

So for the first installment here we go: The play happens in the box where Offensive player 1 is on-sides and shoots. The ball rebounds off the goalie to offensive player 2, who at the time offensive player 1 shot the ball was off-sides. Offensive player 2 cleans up the lose ball and puts it in the net.

The AR rules that offensive player 2 was offsides at the time of offensive player 1 shot therefore the goal is disallowed.

However I was told that once the goalie's touch sent the ball back up field that the off-sides did not apply to offensive player 2.

Now you make the call!

So who is going to educate the Oregon refs?

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Believe it or not

So who is going to educate the Oregon refs?

In this case they actually got it RIGHT...amazing I know!

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Onside. P2 was not material to P1's shot on goal. The deflection was not a kick by P1. Therefore, goal is good!

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Onside. P2 was not material to P1's shot on goal. The deflection was not a kick by P1. Therefore, goal is good!

Total, absolute, complete, and utter rubbish. Stop making sh!t up.

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Onside. P2 was not material to P1's shot on goal. The deflection was not a kick by P1. Therefore, goal is good!

Sorry, once the player is offsides, that player must become onsides before that player can be part of the play. This is an example offered by FIFA in its explaination of the offsides rule.

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Official FIFA Interpretation

Onside. P2 was not material to P1's shot on goal. The deflection was not a kick by P1. Therefore, goal is good!

Those of you who are interested in the official ruling should check the official rules and their official interpretation (rather than relying on contributions of anonymous parents).

In particular:
Law 11 http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/la...d=1290867.html says (in relevant part):
"A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by
"interfering with play or
"interfering with an opponent or
***<b>gaining an advantage by being in that position</b>***.

(My emphasis.)

And “gaining an advantage by being in that position”

"means playing a ball that ... rebounds to him off an opponent having been in an offside position."

Interpretation of the Laws of the Game and Guidelines for Referees, Law 11, at
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/worl...n_law11_en.pdf

FIFA illustrates the exact scenario from the original question (http://talking-soccer.com/TS4/showthread.php?t=82602) in diagram 11. (FIFA's text states: "The shot by a team-mate (A) rebounds from the goalkeeper to (B) who is penalised for playing the ball having previously been in an offside position.")