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No, I think the poster is saying the competition is better because the same 8 teams are now split into three groups?Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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Afret Two years minimal benefit and maximum controversy
After two years its time to hand out grades for OPL.
Please assign A B C D F for the following categories:
1. Scheduling - No difference in League = C
2. Travel - No difference in League = C
3. Officials present - Worse attendance = D
4. Official's game performance - No difference =C
5. League administration - Same old problems = C
6. Association Transparency - Brick wall = F
7. Association Discipline - Inconsistent application of rules = C-
8. Improved Competition - NWCL big plus = A
9. Improved Training ie ID camps - Benefit to small # of players = C-
10. Benefit to Oregon Soccer - continued bi frication holds the entire state back = F
Overall grade C-.
So why gentlemen of the OPC where are those "benefits" that you promised?Comment
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I have no idea who you are, but I can tell you have a very limited exposure to what Oregon soccer was like 5 years ago, last year, and this year.Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
We have more regional and national level referees than ever before. More experienced referee assigners and evaluators than ever before. If you don't know who Erick Beck is, you don't have much to compare. OPL has made huge strides in this area.
Improved training ie ID Camps - you gotta be kidding me if you don't think it doesn't effect a larger group. Only a handful are selected, and that hand still isn't a high enough quality for a national scout. Kids are working hard to want to be one of those few that are selected, regardless of politics. This effects a large amount of kids. Btw, what kind of training and Identification process did we have before OPL or US Club?
Scheduling, has been much improved, although a little bias a times. It's still a great deal better than the crud OYSA through at people. Did you know they would reschedule games, then assign refs to the games at the original time and then charge the club for the referees ? This happened on numerous occasions. A few of the times OYSA would charge the teams with forfeiting and slap a $500+ fine on the teams, even though OYSA agreed on the rescheduling. You need to talk to your coach or DOC about what used to be.
The rest of your grades make sense, I don't agree, but at least their logical.
Gotta love an open anonymous forum. Sorry if I hurt your feelings. This is the only place I can rant without having any interruptions.Comment
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Do these improvements justify the continuation of the split?
tYes there has been "some" improvement in officials but that and the marginal improvement in scheduling does not justify dividing Oregon soccer.Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
If Oregon wants to "catch up" we need to spend our resources both human and financial more wisely and continuing this battle for control of the competitive level is a WASTE of both!
The leaders of the OPC promised great benefits and asked for two years before we judged them. Wells its been tow years and they are barely passing the grade so why should we not demand a re-evaluation of the program and an adjustment of the goals given OYSA's offer of near total control.Comment
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So what are we going to do to change anything
Only the die hard OPL supporters and or employees of OPL are satisfied with the current situation which brings up the question what are we the CUSTOMERS going to do about changing the status quo?Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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I am only concerned with item #8 competition and OPL offers the best teams.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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When
Is the competition better @ US Club Nationals or USYS Regionals or Surf. Wake up and realize that the split hurts competition. The only time that OPL can say that they have better competition is during league but OYSA has offered the great 8 the opportunity to run the leagues so what is the point of LIMITING the competition to the same old teams when a re-united organization could have it all?Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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My DD's team is one of the Great 8 clubs. Obviously has done OPL the past two years. Has played the same exact teams as before, but without a couple of the better teams in the state. It is difficult for me to understand how any team can claim they have better competition when it is essentially the same teams as before, only less.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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Don't see a benefit
I feel the same way. We are not in the OPL but may be next time. The reality is that I don't care which umbrella. What I do care about is that there is no benefit to a rift. People are arguing about stupid things like your cup isn't the real cup or the competition is better here or there. The competition has not changed one iota. As best I can see nor has the scheduling or anything else except the label. I hope before my DD moves on to college that this can be solved so that the organization can move on to its primary charge, Soccer.Comment
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OPL / OYSA / player cards / other countries...
The thing about having a governing body, the only real use, is to make sure everyone is following the rules.
The biggest one, in my opinion, is the age rule, which is why all players have to have player cards.
(Sadly, we cannot rely on a large percentage of people to stick to an honor system.)
And there's got to be some organized way, therefore an organized governing body, to manage the player cards.
I know I'm simplifying but that's really one of the most important.
We need to track the age and name of players to make sure they play on the correct age appropriate team so everything is fair. We need to be able to track a player for misconduct (yellow and red cards or even the rare long term suspensions) otherwise they'll just keep playing when they shouldn't. Obviously.
But I've been told by people from Europe and England that they don't have player cards and such over there. So how do they track players to make sure they are the correct age for their teams, and such? Just their passport or some other form of ID? Anybody know?
I found a website that does seem to have a governing body but I couldn't find whether or not they issue player cards like we do here, regardless of what organization it is.
Any thoughts?Comment
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Ahhh. OPL sucks. Long live OYSAComment
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I was actually hoping for, at the very least, some semi-intelligent responses.Comment
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Where it is a struggle to get thoughtful responses is there are multiple streams of thought here that essentially deny each others existence.Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
The first are the "1%" who are making everything about Surf Cup, and Dallas Cup, etc...these parents are typically from very "well-heeled" clubs, and there attitude seems to be one of "the way you become more competitive is throwing money at it". I believe on the Surf cup string there was a poster talking about the way of the future, and how expensive it is going to get.
The second are the "metro elite". They believe that nothing talented can emerge from anywhere outside the metro area. They are happy in their little world thinking that they contain all that is competitive. To them any group they participate in is the most competitive, because, well...they participated in it. They don't waste time bein aware of what is going on in the rest of the state, and when a non-metro team excels, they just ignore it, because it challenges their beliefs.
The third group wants to play, they will play anyone anywhere, and tend to find good competition from everyone they play against. Their heart is the true heart of competition. It wounds them when these artificial splits are imposed because they bring quality teams to the table, and would rather be playing soccer than politics.
The remaining group is the "soccer purists". They have played and loved the game for a long time. The game is an important part of who they are, but they ardently resist the politics and other pollution happening in the game. In their mind the game is to be held pure. When the political screaming starts this group will often walk away to find a quiet place to wait for the noise of the shouting to die down.
The problem with OPL is they are run by the "Metro Elite" with eyes towards the "1%". This accomplishes the money goals OPL set out after. The problem is Oregon will never be as competitive as it truly could until we involve the last two groups. While the categories being rated are good categories they are task oriented. What we need is an overall grade looking at impact to the health of the game.
Since OPL has shown themselves to have no interest in any of this type of conversation, and more self-infatuated, I give them an F
Since the problems that led to OPL's existence were caused by OYSA's slow responses, and bureaucratic jungle, it is hard to grade them much better. That being said however they have reached an olive branch out multiple times over the last year, offering personal sacrifice for the betterment of the game. Because there intent to improve has been shown I would give OYSA a C-Comment
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