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You misread, or intentionally are twisting my comments. My issue is not with my club, my experience with my club DOC is they tend to be pretty levelheaded when discussing club issues. The issue is at the OPC level. We are tied to them, and they seem to have no interest in what their customers see as important.

It is not relevant which club I am from. It doesn't make you any more legitimate to share your club than it does for me to not share mine.

The OPC (not individual clubs) makes policy for all of competitive soccer. Their failure to accept input, feedback, etc... is unacceptable.

It is actually very relevant what club you are from. If your Club is part of the OPL and your club's DOC is part of the OPC, then it is very relevant. I did not misread or intentionally twist your comments. I simply made the connections. If your club DOC, is levelheaded as you say, then you should be able to openly discuss this issue with him/her. My point is, that I don't feel like I am being herded like cattle. My DOC is part of the OPC. That is the connection. If your DOC is also part of the OPC, then the connection is the same. Again, based on the slander against the OPL/OPC on this forum, stating what club and team you are apart of does lend itself to the legitimacy of your statements. It also provides some background for your point of view. Why wouldn't you want to state what club and team your child plays for? I suspect that you don't want to provide this info, because your DOC is not as levelheaded as you say. If I am wrong, then I apologize up front. You don't strike me as a pot stirrer, so I won't go there. Everyone has choices.

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It is actually very relevant what club you are from. If your Club is part of the OPL and your club's DOC is part of the OPC, then it is very relevant. I did not misread or intentionally twist your comments. I simply made the connections. If your club DOC, is levelheaded as you say, then you should be able to openly discuss this issue with him/her. My point is, that I don't feel like I am being herded like cattle. My DOC is part of the OPC. That is the connection. If your DOC is also part of the OPC, then the connection is the same. Again, based on the slander against the OPL/OPC on this forum, stating what club and team you are apart of does lend itself to the legitimacy of your statements. It also provides some background for your point of view. Why wouldn't you want to state what club and team your child plays for? I suspect that you don't want to provide this info, because your DOC is not as levelheaded as you say. If I am wrong, then I apologize up front. You don't strike me as a pot stirrer, so I won't go there. Everyone has choices.

My club is not a part of the OPC, Although we were part of many of the founding meetings down in the basement of PGE Park. We have had several teams involved with OPL based on what was individually the best for those teams. The problem however is that while we are making a significant contribution to the finances of OPC, we have no representation (cue line about "go play somewhere else"), I have been around soccer long enough, on our club's board etc to have been exposed to the refrain from many coaches that "parents just get in the way, they should let the coaches run the show and just do what we tell them", that I am able to recognize this when it rears its head.

If OPL is going to become THE operator of competitive soccer (their stated objective) they will have to move beyond their 6-8 club mentality, to a view for the betterment of the state at large. This only happens when they start listening instead of just mandating.

I will stand by my statement they(the OPC) see all of us as cattle, to be milked or used to their advantage.

Personally i would like to see both organizations make a decision for the good of the customers, rather than fro the good of themselves. Sorry I stopped taking my Soma and realized the kings had no clothes.

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Governing Structure is the Problem

For all of those that think coaches should be running a league I have to ask why do you have Boards running your Club? I know that some of the club boards rubber stamp whatever the DOC does but even the most whimpy board’s step up to the plate every now and then and help the DOC manage difficult situations.

The problem with the OPC is not that they are trying to run competitive soccer for the entire state it is that coaches are the ones developing polices and enforcing rules on themselves.

If the OPC was comprised of Club Presidents who were accountable to parents I would feel a lot better about having a voice at the table and know that the decisions were not all about protecting the coaches jobs.

When you see people say that the OPC is not a professional organization this is one of the issues that have to be addressed.

When they hire a professional administrator and switch their Board over to Club representatives you will know that the fox is no longer in charge of the hen house!

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For all of those that think coaches should be running a league I have to ask why do you have Boards running your Club? I know that some of the club boards rubber stamp whatever the DOC does but even the most whimpy board’s step up to the plate every now and then and help the DOC manage difficult situations.

The problem with the OPC is not that they are trying to run competitive soccer for the entire state it is that coaches are the ones developing polices and enforcing rules on themselves.

If the OPC was comprised of Club Presidents who were accountable to parents I would feel a lot better about having a voice at the table and know that the decisions were not all about protecting the coaches jobs.

When you see people say that the OPC is not a professional organization this is one of the issues that have to be addressed.

When they hire a professional administrator and switch their Board over to Club representatives you will know that the fox is no longer in charge of the hen house!

You got it partway, the other element that needs to be addressed is that in today's OPC each DOC is there for the benefit of their club. The expectation needs to be they serve for the good of all clubs/teams, not to the interest of any specifically. This remains necessary even after coaches are no longer the decision makers.

Granted there may be times where the interest of the few equals the interest of the many, I would rather not live in hopes of such happy coincidence.

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Good Point

You got it partway, the other element that needs to be addressed is that in today's OPC each DOC is there for the benefit of their club. The expectation needs to be they serve for the good of all clubs/teams, not to the interest of any specifically. This remains necessary even after coaches are no longer the decision makers.

Granted there may be times where the interest of the few equals the interest of the many, I would rather not live in hopes of such happy coincidence.

The solution is a requirement that there be a meaningful number of outside board members just like on any publicly traded corporation!

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Grade the OPL what a joke.

Do OPL train referees, (Answer) Only 2% are trained.

They will throw any referee on any game, most games are self assigned especially in the Eugene area.

The newly qualified referees are not getting trained at all.

The assignors put the same referees that are in their good books on games every weekend.

Referees should get paid twice as much as they're getting for the service they provide, and the abuse they take.

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The solution is a requirement that there be a meaningful number of outside board members just like on any publicly traded corporation!

Not only publicly traded corporations are made up of a board of directors with some outside representation; governmental entities and not for profits also do business this way. Having sat on the board of a OPC club for 4 years I can tell you that the boards with only inside representation are not entirely effective. It all comes down to the DOC and those who will support the doc. I think if more parents would involve themselves and it became a larger quorum you would see these boards function more as described rather than just going through the motions.

I don't think that the intent is to be this way, rather most of these docs and coaches really didn't have the business acumen coming into the organization that you would expect to find in a corporation or government. As such, they are learning as they go. They also tend to do business in a manner that benefits themselves rather than the organization. This is not an uncommon problem as there is always a risk of power getting in the way of reason.

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Do OPL train referees, (Answer) Only 2% are trained.

They will throw any referee on any game, most games are self assigned especially in the Eugene area.

The newly qualified referees are not getting trained at all.

The assignors put the same referees that are in their good books on games every weekend.

Referees should get paid twice as much as they're getting for the service they provide, and the abuse they take.

You are a complete moron. OPL and OYSA do not train refs. I am a ref and I have never received training through either organization. OPL and OYSA do not get to dictate what refs show up at their games. Both leagues are self assigned through a 3rd party assignor. The assignor here in Oregon is Erik Beck. He is the one responsible for the quality of refs, not OPL or OYSA. Get a freakin clue first before you bash OPL you dumb ahole

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You are a complete moron. OPL and OYSA do not train refs. I am a ref and I have never received training through either organization. OPL and OYSA do not get to dictate what refs show up at their games. Both leagues are self assigned through a 3rd party assignor. The assignor here in Oregon is Erik Beck. He is the one responsible for the quality of refs, not OPL or OYSA. Get a freakin clue first before you bash OPL you dumb ahole

I took my ref class at the OYSA offices in Beaverton, where did you ?

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I took my ref class at the OYSA offices in Beaverton, where did you ?

Only because they gave them the space to have the class. Referee's are run through another organization. ORC (http://www.oregonreferee.com/)

Many rec clubs also host classes (i know my club does every year.)

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I took my ref class at the OYSA offices in Beaverton, where did you ?

I also took my classes at the same building where OYSA has there offices in Beaverton about 8 years ago. Many Oregon athletic associations, including basketball and volleyball have their offices in that building. I also took my level up classes there, but I have never written a check to OYSA or OPL and the trainers have always been someone who represents the Oregon Referee's Committee. As for the checks, they got written to USSF and it was processed by the Oregon Referee Committee. Not OPL or OYSA. NEITHER OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS CONDUCT REFEREE TRAINING!!!!!!!!! If you are a ref, you should know this. The problem is you have complete morons like the last poster who think they know something but they are complete clueless tools. I love that I can post anonymously here, because I would love to tell it to the morons face on the sidelines.

Many of us refs respect the game enough to keep ourselves in shape and stay current on the issues and rule changes, but I get sick of working with the scrubs in this state who are an embarrassement to the game and take no pride in their work. Maybe you are one of those refs???? I will say that It is about time Erik Beck did better quality control with the folks he is writing checks to.

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I also took my classes at the same building where OYSA has there offices in Beaverton about 8 years ago. Many Oregon athletic associations, including basketball and volleyball have their offices in that building. I also took my level up classes there, but I have never written a check to OYSA or OPL and the trainers have always been someone who represents the Oregon Referee's Committee. As for the checks, they got written to USSF and it was processed by the Oregon Referee Committee. Not OPL or OYSA. NEITHER OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS CONDUCT REFEREE TRAINING!!!!!!!!! If you are a ref, you should know this. The problem is you have complete morons like the last poster who think they know something but they are complete clueless tools. I love that I can post anonymously here, because I would love to tell it to the morons face on the sidelines.

Many of us refs respect the game enough to keep ourselves in shape and stay current on the issues and rule changes, but I get sick of working with the scrubs in this state who are an embarrassement to the game and take no pride in their work. Maybe you are one of those refs???? I will say that It is about time Erik Beck did better quality control with the folks he is writing checks to.

OK Mr. Know it All -----

I (and both my children) too, took our classes at the OYSA offices. We registered for the class thru an OYSA website link and paid via my credit card, and my bank statement reflects that they money was processed by OYSA. Im not saying that they money wasn't directly handed over to the USSF afterwards. I do know that once we passed the written test, we had to pay an additional fee (and every year after) to USSF.

I do know that all the information that was provided had nothing to do with OYSA, OPL or OSAA and was based solely around FIFA rules. Reference was made that the high school leagues sometimes have different rules.

But I can say, that at least OYSA is helping to encourage and help to facilitate the recruitment and training of the future refs. Something I guess the OPL just takes advantage of. What will they do if OYSA goes away ?

What a dip **** you are for coming on here thinking that by posting in CAPS, we will all pay that much more attention to you and your babble.

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OK Mr. Know it All -----

I (and both my children) too, took our classes at the OYSA offices. We registered for the class thru an OYSA website link and paid via my credit card, and my bank statement reflects that they money was processed by OYSA. Im not saying that they money wasn't directly handed over to the USSF afterwards. I do know that once we passed the written test, we had to pay an additional fee (and every year after) to USSF.

I do know that all the information that was provided had nothing to do with OYSA, OPL or OSAA and was based solely around FIFA rules. Reference was made that the high school leagues sometimes have different rules.

But I can say, that at least OYSA is helping to encourage and help to facilitate the recruitment and training of the future refs. Something I guess the OPL just takes advantage of. What will they do if OYSA goes away ?

What a dip **** you are for coming on here thinking that by posting in CAPS, we will all pay that much more attention to you and your babble.

You are exactly the problem with refereeing in Oregon. Or should I say you and your kids are the problem. WHEN, NOT IF, OYSA GOES AWAY!!!!!! or at least stays with Rec, you and your KIDS can go ref there. Because I am confident that most folks would agress that kids should only ref Rec soccer and they have no business refereeing in a premier league like OPL. I absolutely hate it when a kid assigns themselves to a game I have already assigned myself to. Even though I have priority, it still happens. I do my best to instrcut the younger referees, but that is not practical, as you must know during a game, because you don't want to disrupt flow and you don't ever want to undermine your fellow refs...at least publically during a game. I am happy to do it here on an anonymous forum. Have fun in Rec loser!!!

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Wanna Bet?

You are exactly the problem with refereeing in Oregon. Or should I say you and your kids are the problem. WHEN, NOT IF, OYSA GOES AWAY!!!!!! or at least stays with Rec, you and your KIDS can go ref there. Because I am confident that most folks would agress that kids should only ref Rec soccer and they have no business refereeing in a premier league like OPL. I absolutely hate it when a kid assigns themselves to a game I have already assigned myself to. Even though I have priority, it still happens. I do my best to instrcut the younger referees, but that is not practical, as you must know during a game, because you don't want to disrupt flow and you don't ever want to undermine your fellow refs...at least publically during a game. I am happy to do it here on an anonymous forum. Have fun in Rec loser!!!

Post your name because I would like to bet you $100 that OYSA is not going away. The ONLY debate is if they have a hand in running competitive Soccer in the State.

I have a hard time thinking that the Metro centric OPL is up to running competitive soccer out side the valley but who knows they could surprise us and become a more professional organization but I'm not holding my breath waiting for that to happen anytime soon.

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Cause & Effect

Do OPL train referees, (Answer) Only 2% are trained.

They will throw any referee on any game, most games are self assigned especially in the Eugene area.

The newly qualified referees are not getting trained at all.

The assignors put the same referees that are in their good books on games every weekend.

Referees should get paid twice as much as they're getting for the service they provide, and the abuse they take.

Maybe they would not get as much grief is they knew the rules and did a better job. Maybe if we paid more we could attract MORE people who cared enough to do a good job?

If we all paid $30 more for an entire year we could significantly increase referee compensation and then we could demand better performance & training.

Until we change how they are trained and paid we have little to bitch about other than to realize that doing the same thing over and over again will only yield the same results.