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Either way, by that time my child will be playing D1 soccer so we won't have any dog in the fight.

How humble you are.

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That is humble and it is also the truth. The state of Oregon competitive soccer makes me sad. It isn't because it has a negative impact on my child's soccer future, as it doesn't. I just see so much talent and many good ideas that are being lost to a rift. I would like to see competitive soccer consolidate and not dilute so that as Oregon moves forward that it will have even more to offer our soccer youth in terms of recognition and opportunity.

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U-14G Usonians. I'm going to assume the Rage will go OYSA also. Right now the other team is a Medford team. I'm hearing now that the new DOC in Bend (Rush) will send their teams to OYSA state cup as well. Who knows though.

How can Rush just send their teams to the oysa cup and not give them choice? Isn't this what oysa is bitching about? If opl teams are required to "vote" then did the teams signed up for oysa have the same opportunity to vote? Might be time for opc to fire up their lawyers...or maybe they will just focus on soccer unlike oysa.

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How can Rush just send their teams to the oysa cup and not give them choice? Isn't this what oysa is bitching about? If opl teams are required to "vote" then did the teams signed up for oysa have the same opportunity to vote? Might be time for opc to fire up their lawyers...or maybe they will just focus on soccer unlike oysa.

Rush teams must have a choice. There are currently teams listed in both State Cups.

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That is humble and it is also the truth. The state of Oregon competitive soccer makes me sad. It isn't because it has a negative impact on my child's soccer future, as it doesn't. I just see so much talent and many good ideas that are being lost to a rift. I would like to see competitive soccer consolidate and not dilute so that as Oregon moves forward that it will have even more to offer our soccer youth in terms of recognition and opportunity.

Outside of a couple of girls teams in Bend and boys teams in Salem competitive soccer is consolidated in Oregon.

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Let me translate: Soccer is consolidated in the PDX area and that is all that Oregon needs to worry about. If people don't like their choices they should move.

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..and again we are back to the OYSA supporter, blinded by his/her own inferiority, resorting to name calling. Thank you for yet another clear example of what you get from OYSA...bullying and nonsense. I will be so glad when OYSA finally leaves the OPL alone and sticks to Rec Soccer in this state. Then maybe the angry OYSA supporters can start their own talking rec soccer forum.

First off, I am not an OYSA or OPL supporter. The team has done both and has elected to do OYSA State Cup because of the better opportunity for USYSA Regionals. Team choice. What a concept.
Second, I originally responded to a question, then got hammered by you or someone else for actually responding to a specific question. Now I'm accused of bullying. I would be upset but for the fact that your responses are so comically ironic. (Or have I just bullied you again? I'm losing track.)
Insert your creative non sequiter here: _____

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I also have to wonder if OPL is successful in pushing OYSA out of business if they will then move to the USYSA route so that the teams actually have a higher purpose.

And this is why parents should not be in the business of running competitive soccer. The higher purpose of competitive clubs should be the development of players, not to win trophies - winning trophies as a primary purpose of existence is such a short-sighted and narrow minded, and unfortunately American view of youth sports. The only team in Oregon whose job is to win trophies are the Portland Timbers. As long as parents continue to put winning ahead of development, and delude ourselves into thinking we have a right to manage the direction of our clubs, soccer in Oregon will suffer. And if anyone says you have that right because you pay the club money, you are flat wrong. How many of you pay for private music lessons for your kids? And do you tell that person you are paying how they should do their job? This is no different. If you don't like the job they are doing, then you stop working with them. If you don't like the club you chose to try out and play for, and their direction and policies, then go someplace else. But stop being so self-important and pretending you know what the best developmental soccer philosophies for our kids are, because you don't (nor do I, for that matter). Just because you WANT to go to a specific tournament doesn't mean it's what's in the best interests of the team. I WANT a Ferrari Dino 246 GT, but it's not in the best interests for my family for me to get one. I happen to trust our club and the professionals they have in place to do what's best for the kids, and if that's them saying "this is a better path than that one," then that's why I pay them - to make those decisions. Because I pay my accountant, my barber, my insurance guy, my mechanic, to make similar decisions for me, because I am no expert in any of those areas. And if their work is sloppy and poor, then I go someplace else. Same as I would if I think the club we are a part of does a poor job of living up their mission statement.

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When I said Higher purpose it wasn't geared towards anyone that doesn't desire that. Unlike you, some do want to compete outside of the region. Others may have some interest in being ranked nationally individually or as a team. These are not avenues for everyone but for those that choose. My player would have loved to have been able to participate locally in the ECNL. It is sort of like giving opportunities in school to kiddos that like to spell or to read literature or to compete in high level competition in the area that they are gifted in.

There is no one size fits all and these opportunities are important to some players. And, I guarantee you that anyone who makes it to the ODP regional teams and national training understands development and appreciates it.

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And this is why parents should not be in the business of running competitive soccer. The higher purpose of competitive clubs should be the development of players, not to win trophies - winning trophies as a primary purpose of existence is such a short-sighted and narrow minded, and unfortunately American view of youth sports. The only team in Oregon whose job is to win trophies are the Portland Timbers. As long as parents continue to put winning ahead of development, and delude ourselves into thinking we have a right to manage the direction of our clubs, soccer in Oregon will suffer. And if anyone says you have that right because you pay the club money, you are flat wrong. How many of you pay for private music lessons for your kids? And do you tell that person you are paying how they should do their job? This is no different. If you don't like the job they are doing, then you stop working with them. If you don't like the club you chose to try out and play for, and their direction and policies, then go someplace else. But stop being so self-important and pretending you know what the best developmental soccer philosophies for our kids are, because you don't (nor do I, for that matter). Just because you WANT to go to a specific tournament doesn't mean it's what's in the best interests of the team. I WANT a Ferrari Dino 246 GT, but it's not in the best interests for my family for me to get one. I happen to trust our club and the professionals they have in place to do what's best for the kids, and if that's them saying "this is a better path than that one," then that's why I pay them - to make those decisions. Because I pay my accountant, my barber, my insurance guy, my mechanic, to make similar decisions for me, because I am no expert in any of those areas. And if their work is sloppy and poor, then I go someplace else. Same as I would if I think the club we are a part of does a poor job of living up their mission statement.

Why can't they do both - develop and win? There are very few kids who play in high school
compared to the nos. who start out, and even fewer of course who play in college. The balance of the kids play to have fun and, yes, win or at least do their best in tourneys and leagues. A kid who wants to purely develop gets those opportunities, but don't pretend that it is best for everyone on the team to simply be the support system.

BTW, while I agree that parents should not be in the business or running competitive soccer, I also believe that a model filled with only soccer personnel without some business and administrative sense is also short-sighted and narrow minded.

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Great points....unfortunately we have a lot of soccer professionals that sit opposite the teams' sideline, 99% clueless, but come on here and chat about what's best for soccer in Oregon.
On another point, will the other clubs now offer their teams the option which state cup to enter?

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and this is why parents should not be in the business of running competitive soccer. The higher purpose of competitive clubs should be the development of players, not to win trophies - winning trophies as a primary purpose of existence is such a short-sighted and narrow minded, and unfortunately american view of youth sports. The only team in oregon whose job is to win trophies are the portland timbers. As long as parents continue to put winning ahead of development, and delude ourselves into thinking we have a right to manage the direction of our clubs, soccer in oregon will suffer. And if anyone says you have that right because you pay the club money, you are flat wrong. How many of you pay for private music lessons for your kids? And do you tell that person you are paying how they should do their job? This is no different. If you don't like the job they are doing, then you stop working with them. If you don't like the club you chose to try out and play for, and their direction and policies, then go someplace else. But stop being so self-important and pretending you know what the best developmental soccer philosophies for our kids are, because you don't (nor do i, for that matter). Just because you want to go to a specific tournament doesn't mean it's what's in the best interests of the team. I want a ferrari dino 246 gt, but it's not in the best interests for my family for me to get one. I happen to trust our club and the professionals they have in place to do what's best for the kids, and if that's them saying "this is a better path than that one," then that's why i pay them - to make those decisions. Because i pay my accountant, my barber, my insurance guy, my mechanic, to make similar decisions for me, because i am no expert in any of those areas. And if their work is sloppy and poor, then i go someplace else. Same as i would if i think the club we are a part of does a poor job of living up their mission statement.

very well said! Thank you for your post.

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All tied together

Clubs need Players and the parents that support them on Teams.

Players need Teams that are provided by the Clubs.

Parents pay the bills and get the kids into the program.

Sure a DOC can say that all teams do X.

If the team (players, parents and/or coach) ask to do Y and the DOC just says no, is that discrimination. Maybe.

If the team (players, parents and/or coach) signup to do Y and the DOC just says drop, is that discrimination. Likely.

If the team (players, parents and/or coach) signup to do Y, DOC just says drop, the team says no, and the Club removes all support, is that discrimination. Very likely.

Expand this to a Club wanting to do Y but the OPC says no, is that discrimination. Yes.

Strange taking about ethic/moral choice here, but what is ethicly/morally right for players/teams/clubs that want to make a different choice.

The USSF Bylaws and Policy say groups can not be discriminated against if they make a different choice.

This is a basic issue for fairness and rights to choice.

Let the teams at the player level and empower them. I think we will have stronger and more support groups working with Clubs.

This problem between OYSA/OPL is about Adults not playing well together. We need to get back to the reach we are hear and think about the Kids first. Not Money or Power.

Let the Teams make a Choice. If you don't, your Club/League risk a grievances with USSF. That will get really bad for all of us.

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As a previous poster mentioned our family is saddened by the rift in competitive soccer. Name calling and diminishing the accomplishments of any youth OPC or OYSA just doesn't feel good. I think if parents step back and look at the bigger picture they surely would not defend this behavior as in the best in interest of the entire state. We are OPL but we would very much like the two sides to come up with a solution that will materially work for all.

By simply reading through these posts it is obvious that it is an issue that parents feel very strongly about. I as a OPL parent really don't understand all the nuances of the split. Honestly, i thought it was initiated because of 11 v 11 at the younger age groups. After the split began occurring we were also told that it would increase competition and decrease travel and that scheduling would be better. I have not noticed a change other than state cup now being a big debate, a few teams falling off to follow different paths like FWRL and ODP costs skyrocketing since OPL doesn't subsidize through player fees. Other than that, we travel alot, we play the same teams we were playing before except for the NWCL weekends. For us we get most of our enjoyment from doing tournaments outside of Oregon.

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Oysa

Is OYSA really collecting money for to ??

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