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    #61
    Way to go Chuck/Matt

    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    This copied directly from OYSA's main page http://www.oregonyouthsoccer.org/ass..._Letter_V4.pdf

    __________________________________________________ ______________________

    March 3, 2012

    Open Letter to Youth Soccer Club Presidents in Oregon

    Oregon Youth Soccer has worked diligently to reunite youth soccer in Oregon from the moment the Oregon Premier League (OPL) was formed. This division left many premier and classic teams without the ability to play home games, but more importantly it has divided our relatively small number of competitive teams; diminishing the depth, balance and developmental effectiveness of each league.

    Not much progress was made the first year – the Oregon Premier Council (OPC), the organization that formed to run the OPL, was intent on “getting a year under their belt” before they considered other options. OYSA focused on adapting to new market forces and trying to be more flexible and open to new ways of doing things. We lowered our recreational member dues from $13 to $9 and $11, depending on age and lowering our competitive member dues from $28 to $17 (US Club Soccer charges $18). Our membership also approved a bylaw change that limited policy development to the board, thereby preventing recreational clubs from establishing competitive policies and vice-versa. We also eliminated the small-sided requirement for U11 games.

    The leadership of OYSA has met multiple times with the leadership of the OPC this past year to try to work out an agreement that would reunify soccer in Oregon. As recently as a few weeks ago, OYSA had proposed and/or agreed to the following:
    • Lower dues/player card fees for the balance of the current seasonal year for competitive players on teams in the OPL who also registered with OYSA to play in a sanctioned league that would qualify them for the US Youth Soccer National Championship Series
    • Competitive dues for all players next year of $17. It is important to note that the fees are being paid to a local organization not some organization on the East Coast. These dollars are being reinvested in the local soccer community through programs or services
    • Set reasonable caps on player dues and tournament fees that could not be exceeded without a vote of the affected membership.
    • Next year, the OPL would be an OYSA sanctioned league and would qualify teams for the US Youth Soccer National Championship Series
    • OYSA would perform certain administrative functions to ensure, at a minimum, compliance with the eligibility requirements of the US Youth Soccer National Championship Series and would work closely with the OPC regarding these requirements
    • OYSA would not operate sponsored leagues in competition with the OPC
    • OYSA would work with OPL and establish a State Cup/Presidents Cup Advisory Committee that would make all of the operational decisions regarding State Cup and Presidents Cup, including the calendar, bracketing, seeding, venue, fees and budget
    • Competitive calendar would be coordinated with ODP, OPL and State Tournaments
    • Provide financial subsidies of $500 to $1,000 per team that advances to Far West Regionals
    • Pay the entry fees to Far West Regionals for advancing teams
    • Project significantly reduced State Cup and Presidents Cup fees due to increased participation
    • Share, with limited exceptions, 50% of all surplus revenue generated from both the Oregon State Cup and Presidents Cup with the OPC (it should be noted that OYSA will be losing substantial revenue from divesting from our PML and spring leagues)

    Our financial position with the OPC was simple – We did not want the arrangement to add to our operating deficit and we wanted an equal share of any surplus revenue from the State and Presidents Cups. The reason we want to avoid losing money on the reunification is also simple; we have a responsibility to provide a variety of services to the youth soccer community throughout the state. To do this, we have a fiduciary responsibility to have a business model that allows us to do that. Over the past two years we have reduced staff from 13 full time equivalents to 3.5 and made other reductions in salaries, benefits and services. We had a surplus last year, but are projecting a modest deficit for this year and next. We simply cannot afford to lose more money and professionally fulfill our obligations to our membership.

    The revenue sharing was in recognition that the OPC would no longer have revenue from their two tournaments and the fact that the OYSA State Cup and Presidents Cup are the property of US Youth Soccer and the responsibility of OYSA. It should also be noted that the OPC would make substantial additional revenue from up to 200 teams joining their leagues that had previously played in our Portland Metro and spring leagues. OYSA would receive additional revenue from player dues, only a fraction of which comes from the eight clubs that comprise the OPC. This additional revenue would roughly offset OYSA’s loss of revenue from not operating leagues anymore plus what we currently receive from State and Presidents Cup. We believe this would have an overall neutral impact on our budget, a positive financial impact for the OPC, and any excess funds from new player dues (since they come from competitive members) would be used to reduce State Cup and Presidents Cup fees and fund other expenses related to the US Youth Soccer National Championship Series, including subsidies to teams advancing to US Youth Soccer regional and national competitions.

    The new model basically had the OPC running the primary competitive leagues in the state, with other competitive leagues in the state being administered by clubs in the central valley and southern Oregon. The clubs within the OPC, along with other clubs participating in State and Presidents Cup, would make the operational decisions affecting those events. In short, the OPC would have absolute control of their premier leagues and largest competitive leagues in the state (as well as all of the revenue), would have significant control of operational issues of State and Presidents Cup (as well as half of the surplus revenue). Further, all competitive teams would be able to play together in the same league and every team in every OYSA sanctioned league (including the OPL) would be eligible for the OYSA State and Presidents Cups.

    Since OYSA would no longer be running competitive leagues and would delegate significant operational responsibility to cup committees, OYSA would be able to refocus its energies and attention to supporting the recreational community, helping to develop strong players, coaches and clubs that are the overwhelming majority of our membership and also the foundation of all youth soccer in the state. OYSA is committed to greatly increasing our coaching clinics and coach education throughout the state, the vast majority of which is for novice recreational coaches – soccer moms and dads.

    It is our understanding that the OPC has recently voted not to reunite with OYSA and US Youth Soccer. Indeed, there appear to be additional efforts underway to divide soccer in Oregon even further. It is a free market – players, teams and clubs are free to choose where they want to affiliate. Except for $2 that are passed through to National Organizations and about $4.50 that is used for online registration, player accident and club liability insurance, the dues that are paid to OYSA stays in Oregon to benefit the youth game here at home.

    We are sharing this letter because we believe we can accomplish more together than we can apart. We also believe it is important for you to know the facts about what we were, and are still willing to do to achieve reunification.

    Teams from some of the eight OPC clubs have contacted us and expressed a desire to play in our Tournament Qualifying League so they can qualify for our State Cup or Presidents Cup this year. Other teams that have played in the OPL from clubs outside of the eight OPC clubs have expressed the same desire. If you have teams wanting to be part of the US Youth Soccer National Championship Series, we welcome their participation. (Note that the OYSA Tournament Qualifying League is not the only option remaining that would qualify teams for these tournaments. Other OYSA sanctioned competitive leagues may also qualify teams if operated in accordance with National Championship Series and President Cup rules.)

    More importantly, we remain committed to work to reunify youth soccer in Oregon. We welcome your ideas, input and assistance to help bring us together. We believe this matter can be resolved quickly and begin the steps to reunification of soccer in Oregon.

    Yours in Soccer,



    Chuck Keers Matt Madeira
    Executive Director, Oregon Youth Soccer President, Oregon Youth Soccer
    Outstanding Chuck and Matt.

    OPL - What do you have to say? Here is what I will tell you if I could them. "Stop this Crap and Rejoin the State Soccer Groups".

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      #62
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Outstanding Chuck and Matt.

      OPL - What do you have to say? Here is what I will tell you if I could them. "Stop this Crap and Rejoin the State Soccer Groups".
      I will be the first to say I don't know what's going on... so "I don't know what's going on", but, from a newbie stand point, what is the advantage of being associated with the OYSA... For a tournament? Is there more to this then just a tournament?

      I do mean this respectfully.

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        #63
        Good question, is this really all about one tournament?

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          #64
          To unite competetive soccer in Oregon?

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            #65
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Good question, is this really all about one tournament?
            The "one tournament" you are asking about is the state championship tournament. It leads to the USYS regional and national tournaments. Last year because of the split there was a lack of the best exams participating which made it difficult to make full groups, and get the best competition.

            Everyone voice I have hard from both sides has been saying they hope the two sides will get it together.

            This winter season it has been great having all the top teams together and seeing how much they have approved. What a shame if teams ended up not participating because of the egos of "8 old men".

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              #66
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              The "one tournament" you are asking about is the state championship tournament. It leads to the USYS regional and national tournaments. Last year because of the split there was a lack of the best exams participating which made it difficult to make full groups, and get the best competition.

              Everyone voice I have hard from both sides has been saying they hope the two sides will get it together.

              This winter season it has been great having all the top teams together and seeing how much they have approved. What a shame if teams ended up not participating because of the egos of "8 old men".
              While it's still a good touranment it's no where near what it used to be now that the DA and ECNL are available. The best teams aren't always attending. Yes it's better than the US Club version but going to Vegas or Surf Cup is better.

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                #67
                Originally posted by OrSoccerMom View Post
                To unite competetive soccer in Oregon?
                To unite ALL soccer in Oregon.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  While it's still a good touranment it's no where near what it used to be now that the DA and ECNL are available. The best teams aren't always attending. Yes it's better than the US Club version but going to Vegas or Surf Cup is better.
                  Agreed. After being at regionals and Surf I would choose Surf. At Surf Cup you get all the best teams, ECNL, US Club, and USYSA.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    While it's still a good tournament it's no where near what it used to be now that the DA and ECNL are available. The best teams aren't always attending. Yes it's better than the US Club version but going to Vegas or Surf Cup is better.
                    and like the division that the OPL has created in our state, so will another start up league (i.e. MLS Elite Girls Soccer) do to those upper end teams now competing in the ECNL.

                    Its a viscous cycle, but every time some group gets their panties in a wade because their club didn't get the invite, their voice isnt loud enough or their team got a crappy bracket in a couple top tourneys in a row, they cry in the beer to others that will listen (in a similar boat) and start up something new. Something they can control, make money from and potentially win. It's headed by a few good guys and a lot of foolish others that think they know what their doing.

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Agreed. After being at regionals and Surf I would choose Surf. At Surf Cup you get all the best teams, ECNL, US Club, and USYSA.
                      but have you been to USYS nationals ? there is not doubt the very best in our land attending, even those that are better then surf champions (and some might be as well).

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                        #71
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        While it's still a good touranment it's no where near what it used to be now that the DA and ECNL are available. The best teams aren't always attending. Yes it's better than the US Club version but going to Vegas or Surf Cup is better.
                        This is utter nonsense on the girls side. ECNL teams participate. They are not mutually exclusive. There is no comparison between OYSA Regionals and Surf/Vegas, the latter of which are just good showcase tourneys.

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                          #72
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Agreed. After being at regionals and Surf I would choose Surf. At Surf Cup you get all the best teams, ECNL, US Club, and USYSA.
                          In the past 5 years how many different teams from Oregon have been to surf just once ? and how many more then once ?

                          At least for those teams that will never get an invite (for what ever reason), this is the chance to play against the western states best. That's 14 teams every year and typically those are different teams every year. Something you'll NEVER get at the US Club tourneys.

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                            #73
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Agreed. After being at regionals and Surf I would choose Surf. At Surf Cup you get all the best teams, ECNL, US Club, and USYSA.
                            They're apples and oranges. You are not going to get all the top So Cal teams at regionals because you only get the So Cal winnner. Same with No Cal, etc. Surf is just like a regular season tourney. It doesn't lead anywhere. If your goal is to go against the best each state has to offer (yes, including ECNL teams, which do participate), then regionals is the route.

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                              #74
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              After being at regionals and Surf I would choose Surf. At Surf Cup you get all the best teams, ECNL, US Club, and USYSA.
                              Both great, but very different, experiences. Regionals is a game a day with a day off before elimination rounds. So, to win it, you're playing 6 games in 7 days. You can do that with a short roster. For example, last year, SoCal Blues got to the finals of U15G having only 12 players at regionals. At Surf Cup, to win it, you play 6 games in 3 days. No way you can do that without a very deep roster.

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                                #75
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                but have you been to USYS nationals ? there is not doubt the very best in our land attending, even those that are better then surf champions (and some might be as well).
                                No doubt in my mind that USYSA Nationals is the best youth club soccer event I've ever attended. While winning an ECNL title is also an amazing accomplishment, it's not an event that is open to everybody. leaving aside that half the states don't have an ECNL club, half of the ECNL teams at a given age group are in the B-Flight and none of them have any shot at all of winning the ECNL championship (which is only open to A-Flight teams).

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