There's going to be alot of "happy" parents here soon!!!!

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Afford it?

You have my word that if they do I will say that I was flat out completely and retardedly wrong.

I already know that they won't be given it along with the fact they couldn't afford it but you still have my word.

Regardless of your insider's knowledge of the ENCL why do you say that they couldn't afford it as a club when they have some of the strongest finances in OPL? Are you saying that the selected parents couldn't afford a couple grand more than they are already spending to compete on teams like Sodium?

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You are stuck in the PRESENT

Your logic is flawed. OR is not deep enough for a club to have an ECNL team and a truly premier level team, other than in name only. Assume you have 18 girls on a present THUSC team and assume you have 8 high quality girls from other teams trying out who are better than at least 8 of the existing 18. Those 8 girls who are left off the team then will be on 2nd class "premier" team if they stick around. You are assuming that every girl who doesn't make the ECNL club will want to play for that 2nd class premier team. It ain't gonna happen.

It's not a questions of opportunity. It's a question of reality once an existing THUSC player is not on the ECNL team and whether they would be better off sticking around with the "premier" team or playing with the top team at another club.

The supply of new players from other clubs who will tryout for the ENCL level team will result in 10+ players to MAKING that level with 10+ more offered spots on the OPL level team. Now if you were a player with ENCL ambitions why wouldn't you take the THUSC offer since you will get "some" of the same coaching AND have the opportunity to practice with/against the ENCL team?

You need to think of ENCL as a continuing ODP level team therefore it will attract a much larger number of players for tryouts than ANY other club in the area.

As for the math for the existing THUSC players it looks like this; 10 players UP to ENCL with 10 players in from other clubs. 10 existing players left for OPL with 8 new in from other clubs. Will the remaining THUSC OPL team be as good as they were with the ENCL talent? Hard to say since they will be deeper at every position and not need to rely on two or three players as is the case now.

The "bad" news is going to be for the other clubs in the areas because just like has been pointed out in regards to the Timbers DA the best are going to gravitate to the club.

"Logic" would dictate the end on one of the other OPL girls clubs rather than an end to a THUSC OPL team. The situation should end up like like in WA where the ENCL clubs have four teams in each age group. Yes you can debate their competitiveness but that is the structure!

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You are stuck in the PRESENT

Your logic is flawed. OR is not deep enough for a club to have an ECNL team and a truly premier level team, other than in name only. Assume you have 18 girls on a present THUSC team and assume you have 8 high quality girls from other teams trying out who are better than at least 8 of the existing 18. Those 8 girls who are left off the team then will be on 2nd class "premier" team if they stick around. You are assuming that every girl who doesn't make the ECNL club will want to play for that 2nd class premier team. It ain't gonna happen.

It's not a questions of opportunity. It's a question of reality once an existing THUSC player is not on the ECNL team and whether they would be better off sticking around with the "premier" team or playing with the top team at another club.

The supply of new players from other clubs who will tryout for the ENCL level team will result in 10+ players to MAKING that level with 10+ more offered spots on the OPL level team. Now if you were a player with ENCL ambitions why wouldn't you take the THUSC offer since you will get "some" of the same coaching AND have the opportunity to practice with/against the ENCL team?

You need to think of ENCL as a continuing ODP level team therefore it will attract a much larger number of players for tryouts than ANY other club in the area.

As for the math for the existing THUSC players it looks like this; 10 players UP to ENCL with 10 players in from other clubs. 10 existing players left for OPL with 8 new in from other clubs. Will the remaining THUSC OPL team be as good as they were with the ENCL talent? Hard to say since they will be deeper at every position and not need to rely on two or three players as is the case now.

The "bad" news is going to be for the other clubs in the areas because just like has been pointed out in regards to the Timbers DA the best are going to gravitate to the club.

"Logic" would dictate the end on one of the other OPL girls clubs rather than an end to a THUSC OPL team. The situation should end up like like in WA where the ENCL clubs have four teams in each age group.

Yes you can debate their competitiveness but that is the structure! I would again emphasize that they will be practicing against the best and have constant exposure to the ENCL coaches so if that is their goal that would be the best place for them to play.

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The supply of new players from other clubs who will tryout for the ENCL level team will result in 10+ players to MAKING that level with 10+ more offered spots on the OPL level team. Now if you were a player with ENCL ambitions why wouldn't you take the THUSC offer since you will get "some" of the same coaching AND have the opportunity to practice with/against the ENCL team?

You need to think of ENCL as a continuing ODP level team therefore it will attract a much larger number of players for tryouts than ANY other club in the area.

As for the math for the existing THUSC players it looks like this; 10 players UP to ENCL with 10 players in from other clubs. 10 existing players left for OPL with 8 new in from other clubs. Will the remaining THUSC OPL team be as good as they were with the ENCL talent? Hard to say since they will be deeper at every position and not need to rely on two or three players as is the case now.

The "bad" news is going to be for the other clubs in the areas because just like has been pointed out in regards to the Timbers DA the best are going to gravitate to the club.

"Logic" would dictate the end on one of the other OPL girls clubs rather than an end to a THUSC OPL team. The situation should end up like like in WA where the ENCL clubs have four teams in each age group.

Yes you can debate their competitiveness but that is the structure! I would again emphasize that they will be practicing against the best and have constant exposure to the ENCL coaches so if that is their goal that would be the best place for them to play.

The problem for the girls on the THUSC OPL team is that their spots will be taken by girls from the ECNL team when the ECNL team isn't playing. Happens all the time at Crossfire and Washington Premier.

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The supply of new players from other clubs who will tryout for the ENCL level team will result in 10+ players to MAKING that level with 10+ more offered spots on the OPL level team. Now if you were a player with ENCL ambitions why wouldn't you take the THUSC offer since you will get "some" of the same coaching AND have the opportunity to practice with/against the ENCL team?

You need to think of ENCL as a continuing ODP level team therefore it will attract a much larger number of players for tryouts than ANY other club in the area.

As for the math for the existing THUSC players it looks like this; 10 players UP to ENCL with 10 players in from other clubs. 10 existing players left for OPL with 8 new in from other clubs. Will the remaining THUSC OPL team be as good as they were with the ENCL talent? Hard to say since they will be deeper at every position and not need to rely on two or three players as is the case now.

The "bad" news is going to be for the other clubs in the areas because just like has been pointed out in regards to the Timbers DA the best are going to gravitate to the club.

"Logic" would dictate the end on one of the other OPL girls clubs rather than an end to a THUSC OPL team. The situation should end up like like in WA where the ENCL clubs have four teams in each age group.

Yes you can debate their competitiveness but that is the structure! I would again emphasize that they will be practicing against the best and have constant exposure to the ENCL coaches so if that is their goal that would be the best place for them to play.

You can hope, wish and pray all you want for your borderline players, but all your arm waving doesn't change the fact that the top THUSC teams will be ECNL, moving up from Premier level. The remaining teams will be B teams, just as they are today and will play in division 1,2 or 3. So, your borderline players will no longer be playing with the top players that they have played with for the past few years and the borderline players will have the choice of playing B team or moving to a new club to hopefully play in OPL premier.

You can arm wave all you want, but if your daughter is a borderline player on a top THUSC team, and that's what is sounds like, then ECNL is NOT going to be a good thing for her or you. And even the top THUSC players will be at risk since better players may come over. That THUSC girl who has started for the past few years may find herself as a bench player on the ECNL team. And with the substitution rules of ECNL, you DON'T want to be a bench player.

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Teams and Players

The comments on this thread presume the THUSC teams and players are significantly better than other teams. I don't really follow the girls side, but the standings don't seem to support this presumed superiority. At least based on standings it appears that there are other clubs that are doing just as well if not better if you're looking for consistency across multiple ages.

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The supply of new players from other clubs who will tryout for the ENCL level team will result in 10+ players to MAKING that level with 10+ more offered spots on the OPL level team. Now if you were a player with ENCL ambitions why wouldn't you take the THUSC offer since you will get "some" of the same coaching AND have the opportunity to practice with/against the ENCL team?

"Logic" would dictate the end on one of the other OPL girls clubs rather than an end to a THUSC OPL team. The situation should end up like like in WA where the ENCL clubs have four teams in each age group. Yes you can debate their competitiveness but that is the structure!

I don't think anyone is suggesting the "end" of the OPL team. The initial comment dealt with an existing THUSC girl or the parent of same popping off about how great it will be the girl if/when THUSC gets and ECNL team. As others have noted, be careful what you wish for. That girl will not necessarily even be playing with the ECNL team since there simply won't be the same players trying out. You don't make the ECNL squad, your left on a 2nd rate squad. I believe there is a stronger likelihood that if a girl doesn't make the ECNL squad, that she will go to her original club rather than get second rate treatment, which most definitely will be the case. That will leave the "B" team in a competitive but not high quality position. It will be interesting to see if it happens.

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I don't think anyone is suggesting the "end" of the OPL team. The initial comment dealt with an existing THUSC girl or the parent of same popping off about how great it will be the girl if/when THUSC gets and ECNL team. As others have noted, be careful what you wish for. That girl will not necessarily even be playing with the ECNL team since there simply won't be the same players trying out. You don't make the ECNL squad, your left on a 2nd rate squad. I believe there is a stronger likelihood that if a girl doesn't make the ECNL squad, that she will go to her original club rather than get second rate treatment, which most definitely will be the case. That will leave the "B" team in a competitive but not high quality position. It will be interesting to see if it happens.

And the exact same thing can be said about the Timbers program. The level of competition goes up for everyone.

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Respectfully disagree

. You don't make the ECNL squad, your left on a 2nd rate squad. I believe there is a stronger likelihood that if a girl doesn't make the ECNL squad, that she will go to her original club rather than get second rate treatment, which most definitely will be the case. That will leave the "B" team in a competitive but not high quality position. It will be interesting to see if it happens.

I have to disagree. You need to have more experience with the "B" teams from the WA ENCL teams and Surf. These "B" teams have superior coaches and superior talent.

Admittedly I'm guessing but I suspect the same would happen here in our area too as the best tend to gravitate to the best programs rather than go back to what will be a depleted "home" team as they too will have lost their star/stars to the ENCL!

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Better check the record books

The comments on this thread presume the THUSC teams and players are significantly better than other teams. I don't really follow the girls side, but the standings don't seem to support this presumed superiority. At least based on standings it appears that there are other clubs that are doing just as well if not better if you're looking for consistency across multiple ages.

Better go back and look at the past three years State Cup results and look who won and who was playing for the most girls titles. It's not even close!

There is a valid point about the limited success of these teams OUTSIDE the state but that will change with the addition of more talent from the other clubs. Remember an ENCL team effectively is a year round ODP level squad who will have the benefit of playing together for longer periods so I suspect they will be able to compete as well as some of Orygun's recently successful age groups!

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Better go back and look at the past three years State Cup results and look who won and who was playing for the most girls titles. It's not even close!

There is a valid point about the limited success of these teams OUTSIDE the state but that will change with the addition of more talent from the other clubs. Remember an ENCL team effectively is a year round ODP level squad who will have the benefit of playing together for longer periods so I suspect they will be able to compete as well as some of Orygun's recently successful age groups!

Please do that, can you list the finalists in each age group the past three years for us and see if THUSC really has been that dominate? They might just be but I can think of a few wins in pk's in the semis that allowed them to make a final. You have to be a little lucky to win state cup, even the best teams find themselves needing a few breaks here and there.

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Please do that, can you list the finalists in each age group the past three years for us and see if THUSC really has been that dominate? They might just be but I can think of a few wins in pk's in the semis that allowed them to make a final. You have to be a little lucky to win state cup, even the best teams find themselves needing a few breaks here and there.

And? A win is a win. As I do recall the Womens National team had pk's in the semi and the final. It's part of the game.

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True but to base the strength of your club or team on one game

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True but to base the strength of your club or team on one game

Conversely, to try and prove a clubs weakness on one game... see how this game works?