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Because all the clubs hate TA and his tactics. Looking forward when thprd kicks him out and wsm timbers teams rule the Rec center. No clubs have welcomed him and no one will.

Oh please.... Maybe in your small circle. You do not equate to everyone. Only simpletons think that way.

Rec center is going to have a hard time kicking THUSC out. Good luck with that fool.

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Because all the clubs hate TA and his tactics. Looking forward when thprd kicks him out and wsm timbers teams rule the Rec center. No clubs have welcomed him and no one will.

Funny. You sound like a WSM fanboy. Conny isn't the Bridgestone or most respected DOC either. The guy is a f'ing joke. No one listens to that lunatic.

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Oops.... Meant to say brightest. Love autocorrect.

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Because all the clubs hate TA and his tactics. Looking forward when thprd kicks him out and wsm timbers teams rule the Rec center. No clubs have welcomed him and no one will.

Sounds like someone is jealous of TA and the success and THUSC have had on the girls side.

Go on... let it out. Consider it therapy. Free of charge.

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Let's try and be a little productive here - in all seriousness. What are your suggestions for improving women's soccer in the state? I am very familiar with at least 25 of the clubs in ECNL and am hard pressed to find major differences between some Oregon clubs, including THUSC, and many of those ECNL clubs. Some clubs certainly are in a different league (pun intended), but that shouldn't be the comparison. While not designed to be inclusive, ECNL also is not designed to preclude quality clubs. Like most clubs, THUSC can use some improvement for sure, but what is it missing that every club in ECNL has? Here's my bet to you. You name a flaw, and I'll identify an existing ECNL club that has the same flaw.

I said it earlier, too many clubs. The resources are spread too thinly. Also, many soccer clubs charge $2,500 + per year in fees. If you look at the ECNL clubs, they have coaches who coach full time, they don't have outside jobs. It's a competition between coaches to move up the ranks. They begin recruiting players and forming teams at the U6-U8 level that they then stay with till U-14 or even beyond.

I'm not rooting against ECNL, I'm just saying that they need to fix the club system here first for ECNL to be successful. Get rid of the po-dunk clubs that serve small, local geographies. You see, each club then feels that they have to have a DOC, which dilutes resources, along with paying for playing fields, which dilutes resources. If you add up all of the little soccer clubs here in Portland, I suspect that you will have more clubs than there are in Seattle, Denver, Dallas, ....Certainly we have fewer major clubs than they have.

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I said it earlier, too many clubs. The resources are spread too thinly. Also, many soccer clubs charge $2,500 + per year in fees. If you look at the ECNL clubs, they have coaches who coach full time, they don't have outside jobs. It's a competition between coaches to move up the ranks. They begin recruiting players and forming teams at the U6-U8 level that they then stay with till U-14 or even beyond.

I'm not rooting against ECNL, I'm just saying that they need to fix the club system here first for ECNL to be successful. Get rid of the po-dunk clubs that serve small, local geographies. You see, each club then feels that they have to have a DOC, which dilutes resources, along with paying for playing fields, which dilutes resources. If you add up all of the little soccer clubs here in Portland, I suspect that you will have more clubs than there are in Seattle, Denver, Dallas, ....Certainly we have fewer major clubs than they have.

Personally, I agree. I believe OSSA is on the right track when they brought in Southside. I also think the Tualatin/Sherwood deal is a good thing. If we combined the clubs geographically we could form 4 or 5 major clubs to service Oregon. Granted, the highest populous is in the pdx metro so accommodations would need to be made. It would create great competitive teams at nearly every age group, bolster both the girls and boys side of the clubs and it would make ODP/id2/DA selection easier because you wouldn't have 100 clubs sending players. I really like the point that the coaches compete to move up in the ranks. It's what we do on the team, the player who works the hardest and has the best results starts. When you travel within the state you could lump it together so every club would get their opportunity to 'host' a weekend. Give the clubs an option to play OYSA or OPL. NWCL, FWRL or ECNL. All clubs would play in a 'State Sponsored' round robin tournament to see who would represent Oregon at Regional or National Tournaments.

I realize this is far fetched and off-the-cuff but I believe something needs to be done. It's too scattered and diluted IMHO. My 2 cents worth.

Anyone have any thoughts they want to add? Maybe a better breakdown than geographically? How would you divide or merge the clubs if you were given full access to do so? Thanks.

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Personally, I agree. I believe OSSA is on the right track when they brought in Southside. I also think the Tualatin/Sherwood deal is a good thing. If we combined the clubs geographically we could form 4 or 5 major clubs to service Oregon. Granted, the highest populous is in the pdx metro so accommodations would need to be made. It would create great competitive teams at nearly every age group, bolster both the girls and boys side of the clubs and it would make ODP/id2/DA selection easier because you wouldn't have 100 clubs sending players. I really like the point that the coaches compete to move up in the ranks. It's what we do on the team, the player who works the hardest and has the best results starts. When you travel within the state you could lump it together so every club would get their opportunity to 'host' a weekend. Give the clubs an option to play OYSA or OPL. NWCL, FWRL or ECNL. All clubs would play in a 'State Sponsored' round robin tournament to see who would represent Oregon at Regional or National Tournaments.

I realize this is far fetched and off-the-cuff but I believe something needs to be done. It's too scattered and diluted IMHO. My 2 cents worth.

Anyone have any thoughts they want to add? Maybe a better breakdown than geographically? How would you divide or merge the clubs if you were given full access to do so? Thanks.

Maybe start a new thread on this? Not everyone is reading the THUSC Forum. Just say'in

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Good point.

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Personally, I agree. I believe OSSA is on the right track when they brought in Southside. I also think the Tualatin/Sherwood deal is a good thing. If we combined the clubs geographically we could form 4 or 5 major clubs to service Oregon. Granted, the highest populous is in the pdx metro so accommodations would need to be made. It would create great competitive teams at nearly every age group, bolster both the girls and boys side of the clubs and it would make ODP/id2/DA selection easier because you wouldn't have 100 clubs sending players. I really like the point that the coaches compete to move up in the ranks. It's what we do on the team, the player who works the hardest and has the best results starts. When you travel within the state you could lump it together so every club would get their opportunity to 'host' a weekend. Give the clubs an option to play OYSA or OPL. NWCL, FWRL or ECNL. All clubs would play in a 'State Sponsored' round robin tournament to see who would represent Oregon at Regional or National Tournaments.

I realize this is far fetched and off-the-cuff but I believe something needs to be done. It's too scattered and diluted IMHO. My 2 cents worth.

Anyone have any thoughts they want to add? Maybe a better breakdown than geographically? How would you divide or merge the clubs if you were given full access to do so? Thanks.

WSM coach here: frankly, i do hope we as a state can get an ECNL team in. I'm tired of SoCal thinking we don't have good teams up here. I'm for anything that benefits the girls side of things. it's too bad the parents are so out of whack (hopefully it's just a few), when it really comes down to providing opportunities for the girls. I believe all the top clubs have great coaches that care about the kids we coach each day, and yeah we at times compete for the small pool of talented players (i've done it), but I really think combining clubs will field more competitive teams. This in turn will increase the competitive level each week for the girls which will only help prepare them for the next level. I'm tired of this scarcity mentality and it really hurts the game.

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I don't see much change happening. (I am from the Beaverton area.) When it comes to the younger kids, they are happy playing with their friends from school and don't want to travel all over the place. When the boys get older and ready for some more challenge, many of the most athletic ones play football (american). Let's see, pay $200 for football nearby with my school and friends or $1000 plus to travel all over the place. Similarly on the girls side. Pay $80 for rec to play with friends or pay so much more to go play with other teams that have been poor sports with coaches we don't know/like. Sitting in traffic for an hour or more (total) to get to a field on the other side of town. Having to constantly give up other sports as well as social/family time to play year round. Then there's the fact that practice times are never set and always changing, so it's crazy to figure out how to get everyone to practice espeically if you have more than one kid. Many just are not interested in this insanity and choose other priorities. We have been involved at a couple of clubs and talked to many families that just aren't interested.

What I would like to happen is have the bigger clubs work with the smaller neighborhood clubs. Many would like to play more, but can't afford the time or money it takes to make that higher committment. There's got to be a better way. Time for all of the many Tualatin Hills clubs - rec and classic to work together more.

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WSM coach here: frankly, i do hope we as a state can get an ECNL team in. I'm tired of SoCal thinking we don't have good teams up here. I'm for anything that benefits the girls side of things. it's too bad the parents are so out of whack (hopefully it's just a few), when it really comes down to providing opportunities for the girls. I believe all the top clubs have great coaches that care about the kids we coach each day, and yeah we at times compete for the small pool of talented players (i've done it), but I really think combining clubs will field more competitive teams. This in turn will increase the competitive level each week for the girls which will only help prepare them for the next level. I'm tired of this scarcity mentality and it really hurts the game.

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Thanks for your comments and rational thought!

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age group?

I agree with you about the venom but it's actually quite easy to root against THUSC. I don't have daughters and THUSC is a non-factor on the boys side but the club and it's supporters are just off-putting. They just are: particularly the griping about officiating at every single game; or frankly, anything when it goes against them. I hope a local club joins ENCL but I think the area would be better off if it's a more grounded club than THUSC. Blind ambition always seems to end poorly.

Not sure what age group you are watching, but that blanket statement does not apply to all teams and groups of parents. Every club has some parents on some teams that complain about the refs, the other coach, etc. etc. THUSC is not any different, better or worse. Blanket statements that create stereotypes make you look unintelligent, not THUSC look bad.

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I agree with you about the venom but it's actually quite easy to root against THUSC. I don't have daughters and THUSC is a non-factor on the boys side but the club and it's supporters are just off-putting. They just are: particularly the griping about officiating at every single game; or frankly, anything when it goes against them. I hope a local club joins ENCL but I think the area would be better off if it's a more grounded club than THUSC. Blind ambition always seems to end poorly.

This is simply rooted in ignorance. It also is a great example of why parent/fan education is so important.

I watched a WSM boys team play ESUFC, a while back, and was appaled at the language and behavior by the WSM boys. They whined and complained about every call. I didn't see their coach say a word to settle down his players. Does that mean WSM is trash? You decide.

As a parent, or fan, you have to step back and acknowledge that you will see the game differently than your opponent. If your opposition complains about something, it will aggravate you. Of course!

Parents/supporters complain at all games. All clubs, all teams. Some worse than others.

I could go on and on about how Vancouver drives me nuts. I could generalize how that club is horrible and how I wish them only the worst because of it, but that would be ignorant of me to do so.

All clubs are ambitious. It is their job to be so. Each club strives to produce the best players and teams. That is their job. This is competitive soccer.

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Not sure what age group you are watching, but that blanket statement does not apply to all teams and groups of parents. Every club has some parents on some teams that complain about the refs, the other coach, etc. etc. THUSC is not any different, better or worse. Blanket statements that create stereotypes make you look unintelligent, not THUSC look bad.

It's been consistent over a period of 6-8 years watching boys playing for different clubs. Sure it's anecdotal but those are my observations. THUSC sidelines are consistently worse than others. Just the volume of negative comments on this forum and the defensive, accusatory responses prove highlight my point. THUSC has a bad reputation and whether it's deserved or undeserved it's still true.

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Wow

It's been consistent over a period of 6-8 years watching boys playing for different clubs. Sure it's anecdotal but those are my observations. THUSC sidelines are consistently worse than others. Just the volume of negative comments on this forum and the defensive, accusatory responses prove highlight my point. THUSC has a bad reputation and whether it's deserved or undeserved it's still true.

"Deserved or undeserved it's still true?" Lot's of clubs have reputations but to make a statement about an entire club watching one group over a long period of time is, to echo the sentiments of others, ignorant.