There are going to be alot of p!ssed off parents here soon!

[Vancouver Soccer Dad]

Oregon ODP teams could play in the far west regional league as an independent (not affiliated with any club) or the same team that trains at one of the regional training centers could be headed by that club and play against other OPL/OYSA teams if dual registered. They have open tryouts and the team would meet that criteria. That same team could then compete in other high end tourneys as well. I look for WSM, ES and VUSA to consider these options.

You seem to think that because it's ODP its limited to where it can go and what it can do. Sure there are only a hand full of ODP events in our region that only ODP teams can compete in, but not the other way around. The players pay to play, so they are truly no different then any other team/club in the state.

I believe this is what the Washington EPD program tries to do. Teams are formed from player pools to compete in ODP tournaments but also play other games, showcases (ie. Pacific Coast Invitational), etc. Same thing could be done in Oregon.

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THUSC has only been a strong squad for 4 years and is largely dependent on full teams coming over from other clubs.

This is a lie. 1 team CHOSE to come to THUSC. Get over yourself and your hate (for whatever reason) for this club. They are a strong club and just because you are disgruntled, don't try to spread your hate to others. We are more grown up than that and can see right through you.

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Oregon ODP teams could play in the far west regional league as an independent (not affiliated with any club) or the same team that trains at one of the regional training centers could be headed by that club and play against other OPL/OYSA teams if dual registered. They have open tryouts and the team would meet that criteria. That same team could then compete in other high end tourneys as well. I look for WSM, ES and VUSA to consider these options.

You seem to think that because it's ODP its limited to where it can go and what it can do. Sure there are only a hand full of ODP events in our region that only ODP teams can compete in, but not the other way around. The players pay to play, so they are truly no different then any other team/club in the state.

Oregon ODP is a branch of the US Youth Soccer Olympic Development Program. They have to play by US Youth Soccer Olympic Development Program guidelines. As such any team formed to play all year will not be an ODP team as it is operating outside of this program. Any team can play in the FWRL so it does not have to be an ODP team. For us ECNL would be preferable.

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Oregon ODP is a branch of the US Youth Soccer Olympic Development Program. They have to play by US Youth Soccer Olympic Development Program guidelines. As such any team formed to play all year will not be an ODP team as it is operating outside of this program. Any team can play in the FWRL so it does not have to be an ODP team. For us ECNL would be preferable.

You are correct they do have to abide by the USYS ODP rules. But that does not prohibit any club that is affiliated with the ODP program from forming teams (from these same players) and how easy will that be once WSM, ES & VUSA have the ODP Players in their database, training on their fields and are able to communicate with them and their parents directly?

If you didnt see the handwriting on the wall by now, hopefully its much clearer to you today. This is bound to happen. Maybe not at all ages, genders and all three training centers. They will have the greatest opportunity to encapsulate these players and form groups. Then they can offer these groups distinctive options that other clubs wont be able to and complete very well. If they are able to do it for less money then the alternative (ECNL), and train these players more (year round) it will make the overall ODP experience that much stronger.

Time will tell and Im sure we will all see it start to unfold in the coming months.

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If infact

You are correct they do have to abide by the USYS ODP rules. But that does not prohibit any club that is affiliated with the ODP program from forming teams (from these same players) and how easy will that be once WSM, ES & VUSA have the ODP Players in their database, training on their fields and are able to communicate with them and their parents directly?

If you didnt see the handwriting on the wall by now, hopefully its much clearer to you today. This is bound to happen. Maybe not at all ages, genders and all three training centers. They will have the greatest opportunity to encapsulate these players and form groups. Then they can offer these groups distinctive options that other clubs wont be able to and complete very well. If they are able to do it for less money then the alternative (ECNL), and train these players more (year round) it will make the overall ODP experience that much stronger.

Time will tell and Im sure we will all see it start to unfold in the coming months.

Ok lets suppose that is the case and they are actually going to do something as you have stated above. Then it needs to be laid out for all to see in writing. I have heard many promises over the years my DD has played soccer and I caution anyone who believes what they have been told by coaches Doc's ect. Will you know when it happens, put it in writing please so I can send the check$$$. Until then the best bet will be ECNL and thats only if a club is excepted. Oregon is ready for something better than the same old same old and I for one want something more. Even a club from pdx playing in the far west regional league would be a start. Ultimately my vote is for ECNL we'll see

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Oregon ODP is a branch of the US Youth Soccer Olympic Development Program. They have to play by US Youth Soccer Olympic Development Program guidelines. As such any team formed to play all year will not be an ODP team as it is operating outside of this program. Any team can play in the FWRL so it does not have to be an ODP team. For us ECNL would be preferable.

The competition in FWRL is no where near the quality as ECNL. FWRL and ODP combined would be rather spendy, not to mention the club fee you would have to pay as well. You would get a much, much better bang for your buck by playing ECNL. Cost is not going to go down because it's Timbers affliated. Only people that will see a reduced cost are those in the DA program.

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Looking at all their teams I don't see how WSM is not doing as good on the girls side? (with the addition of their *New* club additions - Tualatin & Sherwood)

Girls Fall 2012 Premier Teams: 5 teams (u12 none)

Last Fall Girls:
1 GU11 First Division Sherwood SC Galaxy (Premier in fall?)
5 GU11 First Division Tualatin Metros Toros
6 GU11 First Division WSM Arsenal (OR)

2 GU12 First Division WSM Fuego (OR) (Premier in fall?)
9 GU12 First Division Sherwood SC Push

4 GU13 Premier Sherwood SC United
4 GU13 First Division WSM 98G Usonians (OR)

1 GU14 Premier Tualatin Metros Rage
4 GU14 Premier WSM 97 Usonians (OR)
2 GU14 First Division WSM Red Magic (OR)
1 GU14 Third Division Sherwood SC Rush
9 GU14 Third Division Tualatin Metros Thunder



Boys Fall 2012 Premier Teams: 4 teams

Last Fall Boys:
5 BU11 Premier WSM Thunder (OR)
6 BU11 First Division WSM Vipers (OR)

1 BU12 Premier WSM Barca (OR)
1 BU12 Second Division WSM River (OR) (First Division in fall)
1 BU12 Third Division Sherwood SC Surge (Second Division in fall)

2 BU13 Premier WSM 98 Usonians (OR)

6 BU14 Premier WSM International (OR)
6 BU14 Third Division WSM Real (OR)

Look about the same except however they appear to lean more on their other clubs for the girls program.

Wow, didn't take long for WSM to take claim to developing the Sherwood/Tualatin teams! You can't for one minute try to say that WSM has a strong girls program because Sherwood is now under their roof.

Ask any Tualatin parent and they'll tell you they would prefer to be without the WSM affliation. The Rage team became the best U14G team on their own without any help from WSM. Now on the other hand WSM can't say the same. They needed to use the Rage players all year long and then kindly ask them to throw a game before they could even finish 4th.

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The competition in FWRL is no where near the quality as ECNL. FWRL and ODP combined would be rather spendy, not to mention the club fee you would have to pay as well. You would get a much, much better bang for your buck by playing ECNL. Cost is not going to go down because it's Timbers affliated. Only people that will see a reduced cost are those in the DA program.

Many players in the FWRL already do ODP so the cost is what it is... the same as club and ODP.

In my opinion, if Oregon wants something even remotely similar to the DA program for boys for its girls then ECNL would likely be it. They would not need to reinvent the wheel or to come up with some elaborate new league. ECNL is alive and well and is growing in popularity.

It is hard to imagine ESUFC being able to pull it off because when it comes to girls ESUFC lacks the vision. How can they possibly cater to high level girls when they have been very consistent in their message that the girls are there to support the boys. Will they change their story now?? Are girls going to move their from THUSC and OSSA to get a chance to do what?????? Pay for boys scholarships? Doubtful.

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That’s not how my post was intended however in hindsight I can see how or why it was taken that way (i.e. that WSM developed them.) What I meant is that they are growing and making some needed consolidations that will benefit everyone – better teams for you to play and better teams for them to field. I didn’t mean to take away from any Tualatin or Sherwood coaches the work they have done.

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That’s not how my post was intended however in hindsight I can see how or why it was taken that way (i.e. that WSM developed them.) What I meant is that they are growing and making some needed consolidations that will benefit everyone – better teams for you to play and better teams for them to field. I didn’t mean to take away from any Tualatin or Sherwood coaches the work they have done.

I am a different poster and did not take it that way. I actually took it the opposite as the girls side is still fairly week when you add 3 clubs together. Rage is an anamoly as they are largely a group of kids that have just stayed together from the Tualatin/West Linn/ Wilsonville area. Credit where credit is due, the team hit the next level due to the coaching WSM provided.

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Thank you. Our real estate agent mentioned Bridlemile, but I don't know her knowledge on competitive soccer. I have not seen any mention about the club so I will look into these suggestions.

Bridlemile is a soild club for girls soccer. They fielded three teams in the U12 division including a team that took first in Division 1 (probably in premeir league next season)

Majority of parents are in agreement that Bridlemile provides a good, competitive and healthy environment for girls to play soccer.

Although every team has their star athletes, you probably aren't going to find a bunch of top players in the State at Bridlemile, but if that isn't your thing and you are more interested in a postive soccer experience for your daughter, Bridlemile would not be a choice.

As others have said, check out the clubs and coaches for each club you are considering. But I think it would be a mistake to take Bridlemile off your lsit because of this forum . . . this forum is more parents saying thier daughter is the best and needs to play at the best club. So there is so much more to club soccer for the girls than parents being able to say my daughter plays at the "best" club.

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Ok lets suppose that is the case and they are actually going to do something as you have stated above. Then it needs to be laid out for all to see in writing. I have heard many promises over the years my DD has played soccer and I caution anyone who believes what they have been told by coaches Doc's ect. Will you know when it happens, put it in writing please so I can send the check$$$. Until then the best bet will be ECNL and thats only if a club is excepted. Oregon is ready for something better than the same old same old and I for one want something more. Even a club from pdx playing in the far west regional league would be a start. Ultimately my vote is for ECNL we'll see

How many of the people reading this really believe that if WS and ES become affiliate clubs of the Timbers, with a "Direct Funnel" to the DA, and ODP, that their participation fees will go down. How many remember the FC DA fiasco. Not saying ES and WS will charge 10G a head, but be realistic. Anything like described above will cost more to all non-DA age groups. This is dangerous because it is a pretty slippery slope to Rich players buying their spots on the team at the expense of talented players who can't afford the charge.

Bofore i get all sorts of labels thrown on me, I don't haste ES or WS, I am not a disgruntled parent, I just am shocked because one year ago, all people could talk about is ODP is too expensive, Free DA's would be better. Now we are peering over the top of that cliff, and it doesn't look too pleasant down below.

My advice, like the poster said above, Be VERY SKEPTICAL, UNTIL YOU SEE IT IN WRITING SOMEWHERE. Be aware, this kind of move that eliminates clubs other than the few select will result in higher prices.

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I tend to think the the Timbers are going to upset quite a few people. The draw of the Timbers DA and ODP was that it might actually be unbiased unlike the current ODP system. With them affliating themselves with WSM (known to be extremely biased already) and ESUFC it is going to create a lot of angry parents who will probably rightfully cry foul if their child is not picked for the DA program because they are not in with WSM or ESUFC. I would think the last thing the Timbers would want is to upset the soccer community.

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I believe this is what the Washington EPD program tries to do. Teams are formed from player pools to compete in ODP tournaments but also play other games, showcases (ie. Pacific Coast Invitational), etc. Same thing could be done in Oregon.

Yes but all the girls also play for their club so it is not all year training. Many of the girls compete in the ECNL as well.

[Vancouver Soccer Dad]

Yes but all the girls also play for their club so it is not all year training. Many of the girls compete in the ECNL as well.

For sure. I can think of one Crossfire girl who has played ECNL, EPD, and U17 National team. Lots of options if you are good enough, and can afford it.