NWCL - U11 Group

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Does anyone know how U11 teams are selected for NWCL.

I was curious because FC Portland's U11 boy's team were in NWCL, but not their U11 girl's team.

FC U11 girl's team are currently tied for 1st place in the Premier group in league play.

Was NWCL open to all teams or just by invite or was FC's U10 record not that good. I didn't think anyone cared about a team's U10 record.

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NWCL probably thinks the U10 team is more an indication of what they will get with the FC U11 since the FC ringers they play down for the home games won't be available for the NWCL.

Karma is a bitch.

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NWCL probably thinks the U10 team is more an indication of what they will get with the FC U11 since the FC ringers they play down for the home games won't be available for the NWCL.

Karma is a bitch.

Why would you call them ringers if they are playing in their age group ?

There is only a handful of players that play U12 and play U11. Does that make that big of a difference. I thought soccer was 11v11 ?

What does that have to do with Karma ?

Doesn't your team want to play against the best competition in the age group ? That is how you get better.

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Why would you call them ringers if they are playing in their age group ?

There is only a handful of players that play U12 and play U11. Does that make that big of a difference. I thought soccer was 11v11 ?

What does that have to do with Karma ?

Doesn't your team want to play against the best competition in the age group ? That is how you get better.

I heard that these girls practice with the U12 team, have represented FC at NWCL on the U12 team, and currently play every weekend on the U12 team. Then these same girls will also go and help the U11 girls during home games?

I don't know if all this is true or even allowed, but it sounds like some of it is by your response.

It absolutely makes a difference. I doubt our club will allow a girl who doesn't practice with the team to play during the games. I want my daughter's team to play the best competition (and the NWCL should be fun), but you can't stack up the wins for a team with girls not on the team and expect the real team to be invited to NWCL.

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Why would you call them ringers if they are playing in their age group ?

There is only a handful of players that play U12 and play U11. Does that make that big of a difference. I thought soccer was 11v11 ?

What does that have to do with Karma ?

Doesn't your team want to play against the best competition in the age group ? That is how you get better.

I can jump in on this one as our team parents have actually talked about this.

If that is what FC wants to do, then that is fine. We would rather have our girls win or lose a game as a team and not have a "handful of players" come in and help them win.

We want to play the best competition but also want our girls to learn life lessons in soccer. Many of us think more is learned about sportsmanship by winning and losing with the team you practice with than winning at all costs.

It was an interesting debate we had about this.

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I heard that these girls practice with the U12 team, have represented FC at NWCL on the U12 team, and currently play every weekend on the U12 team. Then these same girls will also go and help the U11 girls during home games?

I don't know if all this is true or even allowed, but it sounds like some of it is by your response.

It absolutely makes a difference. I doubt our club will allow a girl who doesn't practice with the team to play during the games. I want my daughter's team to play the best competition (and the NWCL should be fun), but you can't stack up the wins for a team with girls not on the team and expect the real team to be invited to NWCL.

OPL rules allow it.

Teams are permitted guest players provided they are from the same club, have valid US Club Soccer member passes, and are age eligible to participate. Guest players from outside the club are not permitted during Oregon Premier League play.

NWCL just looks at the record. I don't think it matters to them who is on the roster as long as they are an eligible player (birthdate and club affiliation)

At some point kids that are playing up will move down to their normal age group so it is good to have them play games in their own age group.

The rules allow it.

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OPL rules allow it.

Teams are permitted guest players provided they are from the same club, have valid US Club Soccer member passes, and are age eligible to participate. Guest players from outside the club are not permitted during Oregon Premier League play.

NWCL just looks at the record. I don't think it matters to them who is on the roster as long as they are an eligible player (birthdate and club affiliation)

At some point kids that are playing up will move down to their normal age group so it is good to have them play games in their own age group.

The rules allow it.

Yes but the kids playing up at U12 in NWCL would not be allowed to play on the U11 team in NWCL so there is no reason for FC to have a team in U11 in NWCL

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I can jump in on this one as our team parents have actually talked about this.

If that is what FC wants to do, then that is fine. We would rather have our girls win or lose a game as a team and not have a "handful of players" come in and help them win.

We want to play the best competition but also want our girls to learn life lessons in soccer. Many of us think more is learned about sportsmanship by winning and losing with the team you practice with than winning at all costs.

It was an interesting debate we had about this.

It may not be about winning at all cost. It may be about developing players.

Playing up allows a player to push themselve physically because they are playing bigger and faster opponents.

The challenge with kids playing up is that they may lose the dominating personality that comes with being able to dominate a game because they are playing against older kids.

Putting these kids back into their age group allows them to develop their game personality which in some cases is harder to develop then the physical side of their game.

The lesson may not be about winning or losing for any one team or age group. It may be about representing the club.

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It may not be about winning at all cost. It may be about developing players.

Playing up allows a player to push themselve physically because they are playing bigger and faster opponents.

The challenge with kids playing up is that they may lose the dominating personality that comes with being able to dominate a game because they are playing against older kids.

Putting these kids back into their age group allows them to develop their game personality which in some cases is harder to develop then the physical side of their game.

The lesson may not be about winning or losing for any one team or age group. It may be about representing the club.

Well said. I have a child that plays up and it is about all of the above plus I want my child to bond with the kids her own age so that when she eventually moves to her own age group it is a smoother adjustment.

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It may not be about winning at all cost. It may be about developing players.

Playing up allows a player to push themselve physically because they are playing bigger and faster opponents.

The challenge with kids playing up is that they may lose the dominating personality that comes with being able to dominate a game because they are playing against older kids.

Putting these kids back into their age group allows them to develop their game personality which in some cases is harder to develop then the physical side of their game.

The lesson may not be about winning or losing for any one team or age group. It may be about representing the club.

That sure is towing the company line. I often wondered if the true U11 parents were upset with these girls coming in on game day and dominating the play. I know I would be upset (to me it cheapen the victory for the girls that practice together), but if the attitude is like the above post, I can see why they live it.

One thing I think we can all agree, if the topic is NWCL and FC Ptd built their record with girls that won't participate in NWCL, they should not get in based on thier record . . . it really wasn't the girls on the U11 team that has that record but more FC Ptd U11G and the squad they put together for games on weekends that has that record.

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That sure is towing the company line. I often wondered if the true U11 parents were upset with these girls coming in on game day and dominating the play. I know I would be upset (to me it cheapen the victory for the girls that practice together), but if the attitude is like the above post, I can see why they live it.

One thing I think we can all agree, if the topic is NWCL and FC Ptd built their record with girls that won't participate in NWCL, they should not get in based on thier record . . . it really wasn't the girls on the U11 team that has that record but more FC Ptd U11G and the squad they put together for games on weekends that has that record.

Why would it cheapen the victory ? It is not like the other kids are skipping practices. They are all part of the same club. Kids should be able to move between the A and B team as well as move up and down in age group based on ability and desire. FC Ptd operates on a pool system any way so even within an age group players regularly move up and down between the A and B.

Do you think FC is the only club that allow girls to play on multiple rosters ? I think THUSC did the same thing last year at U10 (using U11 players). I am pretty sure Nemesis did the same. Both teams are in NWCL and did fine.

This year's league record is what qualifies a team for next year's NWCL. Most of the girls that are playing up at U12 will likely repeat U12 so these girls would play in next year's NWCL with this year's U11 (next year's U12) team.

Your whole argument is flawed any way because kids change clubs and move up and down age groups. There will be kids who helped your team this year qualify for NWCL next year, but will not be around either by choice or they do not make next year's team. So if a team loses more then 3 or 4 players from the previous year's roster they should be eliminated from NWCL ? I don't think FC is playing down more the 2 or 3 players because I think they only have 3 or 4 players playing up.

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That sure is towing the company line. I often wondered if the true U11 parents were upset with these girls coming in on game day and dominating the play. I know I would be upset (to me it cheapen the victory for the girls that practice together), but if the attitude is like the above post, I can see why they live it.

One thing I think we can all agree, if the topic is NWCL and FC Ptd built their record with girls that won't participate in NWCL, they should not get in based on thier record . . . it really wasn't the girls on the U11 team that has that record but more FC Ptd U11G and the squad they put together for games on weekends that has that record.

Did your team lose to FC Portland ?

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Why would it cheapen the victory ? It is not like the other kids are skipping practices. They are all part of the same club. Kids should be able to move between the A and B team as well as move up and down in age group based on ability and desire. FC Ptd operates on a pool system any way so even within an age group players regularly move up and down between the A and B.

Do you think FC is the only club that allow girls to play on multiple rosters ? I think THUSC did the same thing last year at U10 (using U11 players). I am pretty sure Nemesis did the same. Both teams are in NWCL and did fine.

This year's league record is what qualifies a team for next year's NWCL. Most of the girls that are playing up at U12 will likely repeat U12 so these girls would play in next year's NWCL with this year's U11 (next year's U12) team.

Your whole argument is flawed any way because kids change clubs and move up and down age groups. There will be kids who helped your team this year qualify for NWCL next year, but will not be around either by choice or they do not make next year's team. So if a team loses more then 3 or 4 players from the previous year's roster they should be eliminated from NWCL ? I don't think FC is playing down more the 2 or 3 players because I think they only have 3 or 4 players playing up.

You should read the U14 thread. Ironic how it sounds like some FC parents are upset that WSM is exchanging players between teams.

Again, if the attitude is this is all for the club, then I get why parents accept this system. To each their own and I although I would want my daughter playing with the team she practices all season. I understand why clubs do it different.

So I'm not trying to argue what is right or wrong. In fact there is an intelligent conversation going on about this pointing out both sides. But if you can't see the other side on why some teams get upset (especially when FC parents come in and wonder why thier team is not in NWCL based on record), then you are not seeing the whole picture.

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Did your team lose to FC Portland ?

Yes. But I'm OK with it.

After the loss I wasn't on here starting a thread about why is FC doing this and is it fair. But when some parent gets on here wondering about why FC isn't in the NWCL given that they won the premeir league . . . give me a break.

I sure wish I couldsee how the FC U11 girls that practice together, the girls that tried out and made the U11 team, the girls that would play NWCL . . . I would like to see how that team would do in the premeir league (they wouldn't have come in first) and then I'm guessing the OP would not be wondering why FC isn't in the NWCL.

Are you one of the parents whose kid moves down to help U11 win?

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I find this thread a little embarrassing to US soccer. Come on. You think clubs through out the world, let alone national teams don't do this all the time? You play for your club and for your country first and foremost. Playing for a particular team is secondary. Should we complain when a star U17 Brazilian player plays for the national team and then plays for the U17 team as well? Silliness.