Improving officiating

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Maybe the ref actually got it RIGHT? Amazing that parents on the sidelines are perfect in their officiating yet the dude in the middle is lost so much of the time. Interesting.

Officiating improvement will not make the premier teams here better.

And in those areas, the refs make about what refs here make. But the quality of coaching and the quality of facilities is significantly higher.

You see, you need to worry about things that are important. Improving officiating is just one step up in importance from buying better sideline paint or getting better flags.

As a parent of a premier level player whose team travels the country extensively I would point out that those officials are as bad or worse as the ones here in the NW.

We also film every game and I can assure you that the referee’s make game altering mistakes on a regular basis.

If your child truly does play premier level soccer then why would you be against making playing and watching games more enjoyable by reducing the number of times a referee makes a mistake?

If your only concern is quality coaching then I suggest you change clubs because they are out there.

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As a parent of a premier level player whose team travels the country extensively I would point out that those officials are as bad or worse as the ones here in the NW.

We also film every game and I can assure you that the referee’s make game altering mistakes on a regular basis.

If your child truly does play premier level soccer then why would you be against making playing and watching games more enjoyable by reducing the number of times a referee makes a mistake?

If your only concern is quality coaching then I suggest you change clubs because they are out there.

Why the violent reaction against helping refs become better at what they do? Pretty much every job has a base level expectation of professional improvement. Yes I understand the argument about not blaming the ref for the weather, but shouldn't we expect anyone who is paid for a job to continuously improve their skills?

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Why the violent reaction against helping refs become better at what they do? Pretty much every job has a base level expectation of professional improvement. Yes I understand the argument about not blaming the ref for the weather, but shouldn't we expect anyone who is paid for a job to continuously improve their skills?

If you went back a page or two you would see that I am 100% behind the proposed improvement program and the poster I was replying to says there is no problem to be fixed or that it is not important enough to fix.

The original proposal is to require additional training, mentoring, and evaluations in exchange for higher pay for Premier level officials.

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Stop trying to be argumentative and think! The POINT is that when an official makes a mistake it is NOT a play or players who has determined who won or lost.

In the previous example the blown calls went BOTH ways so I was pointing out that the referees took AWAY the ability of the players to decide the game.

Ya see that is the WHOLE point here. Good officiating is NEVER the topic of discussion after the game just the good plays and the “all mosts”.

BAD officiating is nearly ALWAYS the topic of discussion after a game!

Get it now?

My point is mistakes happen all over the field. Some by the ref. Most by the players. You blame one missed offside call on the outcome of the game. I say to you, you're team should have finished the chances they had and countered that one bad call.

Players still decide the game every time they touch the ball.

Bad officiating is always the topic of discussion because you are making excuses. You will always find fault with their calls. Always. So, stop making excuses and focus on playing the game.

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My point is mistakes happen all over the field. Some by the ref. Most by the players. You blame one missed offside call on the outcome of the game. I say to you, you're team should have finished the chances they had and countered that one bad call.

Players still decide the game every time they touch the ball.

Bad officiating is always the topic of discussion because you are making excuses. You will always find fault with their calls. Always. So, stop making excuses and focus on playing the game.

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Can you read for content? You missed the point of the previous post ENTIRELY. The POINT was that in a well called game the referee’s mistakes are NOT a focal point of discussion and do not CHANGE the outcome. Why in the world would you accept officiating so bad that is CHANGED who won? In what employment situation in the nonathletic worlds would a person have a JOB it their actions resulted in the failure of the mission?

Stop fighting me for fighting sake and THINK THINK! The proposal is to improve the game for EVERYONE. Your resistance to that concept makes you look the FOOL. You don’t have to agree with the proposed fix but to sit back and say that there is not a problem is DELUSIONAL!

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Slam Warning!

Can you read for content? You missed the point of the previous post ENTIRELY. The POINT was that in a well called game the referee’s mistakes are NOT a focal point of discussion and do not CHANGE the outcome. Why in the world would you accept officiating so bad that is CHANGED who won? In what employment situation in the nonathletic worlds would a person have a JOB it their actions resulted in the failure of the mission?

Stop fighting me for fighting sake and THINK THINK! The proposal is to improve the game for EVERYONE. Your resistance to that concept makes you look the FOOL. You don’t have to agree with the proposed fix but to sit back and say that there is not a problem is DELUSIONAL!

You must be one of those parents who yell and scream at the officials. Who have no experience playing soccer. Clearly.

The fools are the people losing their cool during a game over bad calls.

Bad calls happen. Stop focusing on bad calls and keep playing.

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Improving the quality of officials will certainly help. So will educating parents (soccer moms). Players should also be coached to not focus on bad calls. Focus on the game and what they can control.

There are many areas where people can improve to increase the overall quality of soccer.

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You're Missing the Point

Slam Warning!

Can you read for content? You missed the point of the previous post ENTIRELY. The POINT was that in a well called game the referee’s mistakes are NOT a focal point of discussion and do not CHANGE the outcome. Why in the world would you accept officiating so bad that is CHANGED who won? In what employment situation in the nonathletic worlds would a person have a JOB it their actions resulted in the failure of the mission?

Stop fighting me for fighting sake and THINK THINK! The proposal is to improve the game for EVERYONE. Your resistance to that concept makes you look the FOOL. You don’t have to agree with the proposed fix but to sit back and say that there is not a problem is DELUSIONAL!

I didn't write the post you're responding to but it appears that many people are trying to point out that it's attitudes like the one you're expressing are the bigger problem. Sure nobody is going to disagree that improving quality (of anything) is a bad thing, but your argument that it is costing games or changing the outcome isn't persuasive. Calls are missed in every game and at every level-that's a simple fact. Chelsea is still whining about two calls from Sunday. Those are the best refs in the best league in the world. It happens. So what if a ref misses a call in a youth game. Yelling at people isn't the solution.

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I didn't write the post you're responding to but it appears that many people are trying to point out that it's attitudes like the one you're expressing are the bigger problem. Sure nobody is going to disagree that improving quality (of anything) is a bad thing, but your argument that it is costing games or changing the outcome isn't persuasive. Calls are missed in every game and at every level-that's a simple fact. Chelsea is still whining about two calls from Sunday. Those are the best refs in the best league in the world. It happens. So what if a ref misses a call in a youth game. Yelling at people isn't the solution.

Amen!

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I didn't write the post you're responding to but it appears that many people are trying to point out that it's attitudes like the one you're expressing are the bigger problem. Sure nobody is going to disagree that improving quality (of anything) is a bad thing, but your argument that it is costing games or changing the outcome isn't persuasive. Calls are missed in every game and at every level-that's a simple fact. Chelsea is still whining about two calls from Sunday. Those are the best refs in the best league in the world. It happens. So what if a ref misses a call in a youth game. Yelling at people isn't the solution.

You came late to the back and forth with the poster that pushed me over the edge. Even though I could cite examples ON FILM of games being changed he/she still refuses to accept that soccer is deserving of the proposed improvement program to reduce the urge to yell at the refs.

I see no reason to accept without challenge that bad calls are "part of the game". Other sports have taken action like the proposed improvement program to reduce to the extent possible the effects of poor officiating on the results. Yet the other poster does not think that is necessary or even important, just let people get mad, coaches get tossed and referee's quit.

For anyone to say that bad calls do not detract from the game is particularly galling as a player I can say that few things spoil both the physical and mental flow of a game as much as a bad/blown/missed call.

Yes I totally understand that calls are going to be missed as having been a high level official in youth/high school/adult league sports but that does not mean we should not be taking REASNOABLE steps to reduce those mistakes and make the game more enjoyable for all.

That is all that is being proposed here, an improvement plan to reduce the yelling. I never said or expect it would eliminate bad calls just reduce them to the extent possible.

As for Chelsea I'm sure the league office and the officials association has reviewed the film and is using it as a teachable moment for that official...if he still is certified for EPL duty!. But of course the poster above would not bother with that!

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Well they did say that

I didn't write the post you're responding to but it appears that many people are trying to point out that it's attitudes like the one you're expressing are the bigger problem. Sure nobody is going to disagree that improving quality (of anything) is a bad thing, but your argument that it is costing games or changing the outcome isn't persuasive. Calls are missed in every game and at every level-that's a simple fact. Chelsea is still whining about two calls from Sunday. Those are the best refs in the best league in the world. It happens. So what if a ref misses a call in a youth game. Yelling at people isn't the solution.

Well if you had been reading the posters argument you would have seen that they WERE saying improvement was not necessary or even a priority.

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You must be one of those parents who yell and scream at the officials. Who have no experience playing soccer. Clearly.

The fools are the people losing their cool during a game over bad calls.

Bad calls happen. Stop focusing on bad calls and keep playing.

Don't worry be happy

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Poor you... you were pushed over the edge. YELL YELL YELL!!!! That is the solution.

No one is debating the quality of officials needs to improve. No doubt. However, people, especially people like you, need to learn how to behave and control yourselves. People like you only make situations worse. People like you are the greatest problem for children's sports.

All sports suffer from poor officiating. Ever watch youth basketball? Sheesh!

You can either focus on them, or you can focus on the game. You can teach your kids to focus on the bad calls, or teach them to focus on how they play.

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Well if you had been reading the posters argument you would have seen that they WERE saying improvement was not necessary or even a priority.

Not true at all. The poster was saying that yelling at the officials is not a solution to poor officiating. That is a behavior, which shows a lack of discipline and self control. Yelling will not help the ref do a better job during the game. Feedback AFTER the game will. Not directly to the ref, but through the league.

During the game, players, parents, coaches, should remain focused on the game and not the "bad calls."

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You must be one of those parents who yell and scream at the officials. Who have no experience playing soccer. Clearly.

The fools are the people losing their cool during a game over bad calls.

Bad calls happen. Stop focusing on bad calls and keep playing.

At the rec level or lower Premier age levels a missed call that changes who wins is really not that big of a deal. Life goes on and the kids are more focused on the after game snack anyway.

However, I do get the posters point at the higher premier levels. These players are battling for higher stakes like the right to go to State Cup or Regional’s where getting noticed by college coaches is on the line. Similarly in the non-showcase tourneys it is all about wins and getting a team ranking that gets you invited to the Showcase tourneys so a bad call that changes the results IS a big deal.

I have to agree with the person making the proposal to teach the refs how to do a better job. If it's only $40 why in hell would OPL or OYSA not be all for that when it seems reasonable that it would reduce the discord on the field and tackle head on the number one reason refs say they quit and that is the yelling?