Mt Hood Challenge

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There's a differernce between making a mistake and not knowing the rules. At our last game we had an AR that had no idea what the offside rule was. She was calling it anytime a player was behind the defense. Didn't matter if the player made their run after the pass was made, if they were involved in the play or not, or if it was on a throw in. The center ref was calling a hand ball anytime the ball touched the hand.

I don't expect the refs to be perfect and I have no problem with mistakes being made. I do have a problem with refs that don't understand the rules and don't take the time to learn them. Unfortunately there are far more refs that need a extra courses. I feel bad for the few good refs we have out there as the rest are making their job much harder.

Or maybe the refs DO know the rules but their judgment call on a particular incident differs from your judgment call. I have tended to find that the a bad call was a bad call not because the ref didn't know the rule but saw the incident differently - ultimately, it is a judgment call and 95% of the time the griping parent is, to put it mildly, coming at it from a rather biased perspective.

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Or maybe the refs DO know the rules but their judgment call on a particular incident differs from your judgment call. I have tended to find that the a bad call was a bad call not because the ref didn't know the rule but saw the incident differently - ultimately, it is a judgment call and 95% of the time the griping parent is, to put it mildly, coming at it from a rather biased perspective.

Sorry but the player receiving the ball off a throw in can NOT be in an offside position so there is no judgement call there.

I've watched games where I don't even have a child playing and can see the bad calls. You can normally tell if it is a judgement call or if the ref has no idea what they are doing. I tend to agree that we have too many refs that need a brush up course on the rules.

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Offsides

Toughest call in the game to make. Prior post is right. Can't be offsides on a throw-in or a corner. That said, from the hundreds of youth soccer games I've watched, and the thousands of offsides call I've seen, the refs and ARs are usually right and the parents are wrong. If they're in the proper position, that's all you can really demand. They do the best they can and certainly make fewer mistakes than the players.

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Judgement Calls

It is true that Offsides is tough to call, and if the AR is consistently in the proper in place
(in line with deepest back except the goalie, or even with the ball once past the defenders) you don't have much room to complain, they've got the best view posibble, even if it takes back a goal your daughter just scored. Offsides is tough to teach and learn, and I know when I took my referee class, it was one of the top priorities, and in close to a 12hr class, we easily spent 2-3 hours going through scenarios and learning it.

On the subject of judgement calls, every person sees through a different set of eyes. As an AR, you work for the center under his/her direction. Generally speaking your priorities (as an AR) go 1) offsides 2) out of bounds (throw-ins, corners, goal kicks etc) 3) fouls/offenses in your area. The center referee is generally the one who has most of the judgement, but he also has the most ground to cover. Every body is going to see a hand ball, for instance, differently due to their angle. Same goes for fouls. So give 'em a break. and if its that big a rule breaker for you, go get trained yourself. then see how hard "judging" a game can be.

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Law 11 - offside

Sorry but the player receiving the ball off a throw in can NOT be in an offside position so there is no judgement call there.

I've watched games where I don't even have a child playing and can see the bad calls. You can normally tell if it is a judgement call or if the ref has no idea what they are doing. I tend to agree that we have too many refs that need a brush up course on the rules.

Sorry but you are wrong regarding being offside on a throw in. Here is the offside rule pay particular attention to the paragraph starting with NO OFFSIDE


LAW 11 – OFFSIDE

Offside Position
It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position.
A player is in an offside position if:
• he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the
second last opponent
A player is not in an offside position if:
• he is in his own half of the fi eld of play or
• he is level with the second last opponent or
• he is level with the last two opponents
Offence
A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the
ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of
the referee, involved in active play by:
• interfering with play or
• interfering with an opponent or
• gaining an advantage by being in that position

No Offence
There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:
• a goal kick
• a throw-in
• a corner kick
Infringements and Sanctions
In the event of an offside offence, the referee awards an indirect
free kick to the opposing team to be taken from the place where the
infringement occurred (see Law 13 – Position of Free Kick).

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Sorry but you are wrong regarding being offside on a throw in. Here is the offside rule pay particular attention to the paragraph starting with NO OFFSIDE


LAW 11 – OFFSIDE

Offside Position
It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position.
A player is in an offside position if:
• he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the
second last opponent
A player is not in an offside position if:
• he is in his own half of the fi eld of play or
• he is level with the second last opponent or
• he is level with the last two opponents
Offence
A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the
ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of
the referee, involved in active play by:
• interfering with play or
• interfering with an opponent or
• gaining an advantage by being in that position

No Offence
There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:
• a goal kick
• a throw-in
• a corner kick
Infringements and Sanctions
In the event of an offside offence, the referee awards an indirect
free kick to the opposing team to be taken from the place where the
infringement occurred (see Law 13 – Position of Free Kick).

Sorry but you are wrong regarding being offside on a throw in. Here is the offside rule pay particular attention to the paragraph starting with NO OFFSIDE


LAW 11 – OFFSIDE

Offside Position
It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position.
A player is in an offside position if:
• he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the
second last opponent
A player is not in an offside position if:
• he is in his own half of the fi eld of play or
• he is level with the second last opponent or
• he is level with the last two opponents
Offence
A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the
ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of
the referee, involved in active play by:
• interfering with play or
• interfering with an opponent or
• gaining an advantage by being in that position

No Offence
There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:
• a goal kick
• a throw-in
• a corner kick
Infringements and Sanctions
In the event of an offside offence, the referee awards an indirect
free kick to the opposing team to be taken from the place where the
infringement occurred (see Law 13 – Position of Free Kick).

Um, you just backed up the other posters response about no offsides on a throw in so they were correct not wrong. In the rules it clearly states "there is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from a throw in".

[U12 Dad]

Good experience for my U12 son

His team got some great matches, but lost in the semi's. Really wished the losing teams from the semi's got a chance to play 1 more match for "3rd."

Also, the shaved ice at Mt. Hood was larger than the one at Cascade, so he got a much harder sugar buzz after the matches.

Nothing like taking home a hyperactive kid after fun day of soccer.