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**Unregistered** · 06-28-2011, 02:39 AM

or not

Yes, there are a few OYSA teams that belong at a regional tournament CFC U-16 boys being one of them, but the others?????

Unfortunately this team didn't do so well either. I would argue that none of the boys teams (other than the u12 representative??) did as well as their OPL counterpart would have. I guess we'll never know. I hope the experience was positive for the teams, but it is too bad that... same old story.

**Unregistered** · 06-28-2011, 06:43 AM

To bad what?????

to bad the OPL teams were not at USYSA Far West Regionals? Not the point of the post. The OPL teams have their own deal. OPL State Cup Winner goes to US Club Nationals and there is also a regional play in for those who wish to attend.

The point of the post is, why did OYSA knowing that their top teams had moved on in a different direction send teams not able to complete at this tournament?

This is how OYSA operates. Why not send these teams to the Presidents Cup regional tournament?

**Unregistered** · 06-28-2011, 11:02 AM

Results

If you look at last years results the same could be said.It looks like a lot of teams were forced or chose to play over their heads or maybe they were just happy to be representing their state and age group.

**Unregistered** · 06-28-2011, 11:09 AM

No not really

In the past Oregon may have lost game but these teams just got hammered like they were Alaska or something. WSM Premier U-17's have never won regionals but they play well enough.

This year we were killed !!!!! However they may have done well at the Presidents Cup regionals. Why not let them go there??? for the teams that belong there.

**Unregistered** · 06-28-2011, 12:39 PM

This is the problem with trying to judge by scores alone...

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

So prior to the OYSA state cup I posted OYSA should not send teams they know are not of regional quality.

The reply I received was "OYSA teams will do fine." Here is my reply:

OYSA clubs were 7 W 32 L and 2 T. This is an epic failure by any measurement.

I did pull out the two U-19 teams. They did not have to play in an OYSA league to qualify for the state cup and both are OPL clubs.

I don't think and pray OPL teams stay in the OPL and US Club. My only point is OYSA should not mandate their teams go the USYSA regionals and spend a grand or more to get slaughtered.

Yes, there are a few OYSA teams that belong at a regional tournament CFC U-16 boys being one of them, but the others?????

Not saying they shouldn't play soccer, they just shouldn't be forced by OYSA to play over their heads.

Anyone who has ever been involved with soccer at a high level knows two things 1)there is a lot more to the story than scores will tell 2)between high level teams anyone can win on any given day.

Those lessons are learned through experience, which perhaps you do not have. Yes we sent the champions from Oregon, they played the champions from other states.

Should we understand your comment that clearly the Oregon teams were not worthy of attending to imply that these champions from other states were somehow wash-ups who should have just rolled over?

**Unregistered** · 06-28-2011, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Anyone who has ever been involved with soccer at a high level knows two things 1)there is a lot more to the story than scores will tell 2)between high level teams anyone can win on any given day.

Those lessons are learned through experience, which perhaps you do not have. Yes we sent the champions from Oregon, they played the champions from other states.

Should we understand your comment that clearly the Oregon teams were not worthy of attending to imply that these champions from other states were somehow wash-ups who should have just rolled over?

Amen, as a parent who was at regionals and observed several of these games, the scores do not tell the whole story. One example, CFC Boca (U-14B), while their run was not what it has been in years past, their results clearly illustrated that they were running in the right pack. Their last game of group play against the Fullerton Rangers (#1 ranked team in the nation) They ran closer than any other team. Rangers scored about 20 minutes in, Boca scored about a minute later. Halftime Blows 1-1. Halftime ends Rangers score quickly to go up 2-1,3-1,4-1, Boca pulls back a goal 4-2. Final whistle blows at 6-2.

Looking at the Rangers full run of the tournament, they won the tournament with 22 Goals for, 3 Goals against.

I suspect if you looked at specifics of any of the other teams you would find the same thing. Instead of casting your arrogance and aspersions widely, try to go below the surface. If you don't know, it is probably better not to ask.

**Unregistered** · 06-28-2011, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Anyone who has ever been involved with soccer at a high level knows two things 1)there is a lot more to the story than scores will tell 2)between high level teams anyone can win on any given day.

Those lessons are learned through experience, which perhaps you do not have. Yes we sent the champions from Oregon, they played the champions from other states.

Should we understand your comment that clearly the Oregon teams were not worthy of attending to imply that these champions from other states were somehow wash-ups who should have just rolled over?

Spot on post. Everybody loses from time to time. Games that you are supposed to win you lose. You play your best on any given day and knock off a top team. Close games somehow get away from you and you give up a whole bunch.

Case in point is the Rush girls at under 15 at this years USYS regionals. They are one of the 3 best teams in Oregon at this age group. They played in the strong Far West league this year instead of the OPL league. They face 3 of the best teams on the west coast/USA at regionals and don't score a goal. It was a chance to play teams they realistically would have to play their best games against to beat and when we look at the scoreboard we see shutouts instead. Are they better for the experience though- yes.

Scores are very rarely true indicators of how a game went.

**Unregistered** · 06-28-2011, 12:59 PM

Give Me a Break

6-2 is 6-2, no matter how you want to describe it. It's true sometimes games get away from you but usually not games where you were going to win absent some good fortune or a hot goalkeeper.

The bottom line is that for the main, the Oregon teams that went to the regionals were overmatched. It's unfortunate, but it's still true. The teams earned the right to go, they were right to go, and hopefully they had a great experience over in Boise.

**Unregistered** · 06-28-2011, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

So prior to the OYSA state cup I posted OYSA should not send teams they know are not of regional quality.

The reply I received was "OYSA teams will do fine." Here is my reply:

OYSA clubs were 7 W 32 L and 2 T. This is an epic failure by any measurement.

I did pull out the two U-19 teams. They did not have to play in an OYSA league to qualify for the state cup and both are OPL clubs.

I don't think and pray OPL teams stay in the OPL and US Club. My only point is OYSA should not mandate their teams go the USYSA regionals and spend a grand or more to get slaughtered.

Yes, there are a few OYSA teams that belong at a regional tournament CFC U-16 boys being one of them, but the others?????

Not saying they shouldn't play soccer, they just shouldn't be forced by OYSA to play over their heads.

Very few of the teams got "slaughtered." I was there and saw a ton of games. Were you? Some teams clearly were over their their heads. The vast majority absolutely were not. It was a great experience for most of the kids. In any event, why the hell do you care? Nobody, including OYSA, is forcing teams to do anything. There is no doubt in my mind that most of the kids would love to go back, and will go back again next year if given the opportunity. Will they do better? Probably. Perhaps not. Either way, it shouldn't be any concern of yours other than your ego.

**Unregistered** · 06-28-2011, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

6-2 is 6-2, no matter how you want to describe it. It's true sometimes games get away from you but usually not games where you were going to win absent some good fortune or a hot goalkeeper.

The bottom line is that for the main, the Oregon teams that went to the regionals were overmatched. It's unfortunate, but it's still true. The teams earned the right to go, they were right to go, and hopefully they had a great experience over in Boise.

No, it's not true. Some were overmatched. The majority were not.

**Unregistered** · 06-28-2011, 04:09 PM

There appears to be so many people just hoping that they can sling mud. What does the OPL or OYSA have to do with the game of youth soccer? Not much. Stop getting on a adminstrative high horse trying to attack teams on the basis of which league they play in. Jeez, the kids playing on any team OPL or OYSA could care less and did not have a choice as to what league they would be given. We are with an OPL team but I respect OYSA teams anyway. I can't help but think how embarrassed I will be if our team loses to one of these teams that everyone on here is saying did not earn a place at regionals and were overmatched. There is one thing I have learned about soccer and it starts with "on any given day...."

**Unregistered** · 06-28-2011, 04:09 PM

Majority?

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

No, it's not true. Some were over matched. The majority were not.

7 wins, 32 losses, and 2 ties is over matched. I agree with a previous poster that scores being misleading. That can be true but it goes both ways. Sometimes a 1-0 or 2-0 win is the biggest beat down you've ever seen and a 6-2 game was actually pretty even. In most cases big scores are fairly reflective of team strength. 0-0 and 1-0 games are far more random.

But c'mon a 17% winning percentage is over matched.

**Unregistered** · 06-28-2011, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

7 wins, 32 losses, and 2 ties is over matched. I agree with a previous poster that scores being misleading. That can be true but it goes both ways. Sometimes a 1-0 or 2-0 win is the biggest beat down you've ever seen and a 6-2 game was actually pretty even. In most cases big scores are fairly reflective of team strength. 0-0 and 1-0 games are far more random.

But c'mon a 17% winning percentage is over matched.

I'm not going to get into a game of semantics with you, but you and I no doubt would have a different interpretation of overmatched. The vast majority of the games that I saw were very competitive on both the boys and the girls side, including the one that ended up 6-2. Could some other teams have done better? Of course. However, there were very few teams that I would consider as having played out of their league.

It's just so nice that there are so many altruistic people out there who are looking out for other kids, especially those who they by and large don't even compete against any more.