Rankings and NWCL /OPL

[OrSoccerMom]

You seem to fall in and out of love easily. Last year your love fest was with ESUFC. Who will it be next year?

My daughter has been with two clubs over a six year period. So,m it isn't exactly the club shopping / hopping experience you elude to. Did we love ESUFC? .. Yes. Do we love Rush... yes. What is wrong with that? I hope that you and your players love your club too. It makes all that time and money much more worthwhile.

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Here's some evidence. WSM Galacticos (OPL champion) beat WPFC (Washington runner up to Xfire) 5-0 in the semi-final and it wasn't that close. ESUFC Pumas beat their Washington opponent 3-1. Xfire (defending Region 4 Champion and National Finalist) didn't get out of the group stages.

Here's the the link for the U15 to U18s for this weekend.

http://www.northwestchampions.com/finals/index_E.html

Come on out, you'll see some really good Oregon teams. The U15 and U18 finals are all Oregon and the U17s probably will be too. That's 7 of 8 finalists from Oregon. I doubt you'll hear much "wow those Washington teams are so good."

And OPL created this? They made these teams what they have become? Without OPL these would just be farm teams not knowing who to play?

Yes the teams you reference are very talented. Their accomplishments should be celebrated, but c'mon OPL no more made these what they are, then a single teacher totally shapes a promising student.

OPL has not created any competition that wouldn't have existed without them. NWCL would have existed without OPL, FWRL already existed without OPL. If you want to take credit for something have it actually be something you have accomplished.

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You Asked for Evidence and Got It

And OPL created this? They made these teams what they have become? Without OPL these would just be farm teams not knowing who to play?

Yes the teams you reference are very talented. Their accomplishments should be celebrated, but c'mon OPL no more made these what they are, then a single teacher totally shapes a promising student.

OPL has not created any competition that wouldn't have existed without them. NWCL would have existed without OPL, FWRL already existed without OPL. If you want to take credit for something have it actually be something you have accomplished.

Go back and read the post this responded to. If you're the original poster, you said with few exceptions the Oregon teams got hammered in NWCL. You through out a challenge and demanded evidence disproving your statement. It's true that Washington dominated the lower age groups and Oregon dominated the upper age groups. Completely on the boys side, but also on the girls side. No clue what your problem with OPL is and I have no need to take credit for anything OPL does. You demanded evidence, I provided it.

With respect to OPL, the set up where the age groups were U15/16 and U17/18 and the teams were broken up by ability rather than solely by age was a huge improvement. The schedule was far more solid. The league might not of made the teams, but the clubs and coaches that make up the league certainly did. If OYSA was going to set up things like NWCL and WCDA and group teams by ability it should have let everybody know when it was going to get around to it.

If you want to watch or take your kid to watch good games, I recommend watching WSM Galacticos, FC Pdx 93 Blue, or WSM Premier. All three of those teams are fun to watch and play the game the way it should be played.

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Go back and read the post this responded to. If you're the original poster, you said with few exceptions the Oregon teams got hammered in NWCL. You through out a challenge and demanded evidence disproving your statement. It's true that Washington dominated the lower age groups and Oregon dominated the upper age groups. Completely on the boys side, but also on the girls side. No clue what your problem with OPL is and I have no need to take credit for anything OPL does. You demanded evidence, I provided it.

With respect to OPL, the set up where the age groups were U15/16 and U17/18 and the teams were broken up by ability rather than solely by age was a huge improvement. The schedule was far more solid. The league might not of made the teams, but the clubs and coaches that make up the league certainly did. If OYSA was going to set up things like NWCL and WCDA and group teams by ability it should have let everybody know when it was going to get around to it.

If you want to watch or take your kid to watch good games, I recommend watching WSM Galacticos, FC Pdx 93 Blue, or WSM Premier. All three of those teams are fun to watch and play the game the way it should be played.

I reccomend you do some additional reading as well. The evidence
Requested was related to the statement that OPL created better competition. My memory us that all the teams you mentioned were highly competitive before OPL existed. These teams would be just as competitive if OPL had never come into being. So the request still stands, if there is anyone who can show evidence or examples of competition OPL "Created" please speak up.

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If OYSA was going to set up things like NWCL and WCDA and group teams by ability it should have let everybody know when it was going to get around to it.

So did OPL set up NWCL, and WCDA? Really? I clearly remember OPL expressing frustration that NWCL and WCDA were so slow to get off the ground. They participated, they did not create.

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What are You Talking About?

So did OPL set up NWCL, and WCDA? Really? I clearly remember OPL expressing frustration that NWCL and WCDA were so slow to get off the ground. They participated, they did not create.

The OPL clubs are founding members. Both leagues started this year.

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How Much Evidence do You Need? Here's More

First NWCL (nor created here btw) was going to be the greatest thing for Oregon competition. With a few exceptions ORegon teams got hammered, wow better stay away from that one. Then everyone got excited about us club regionals, oh but it is an open tournament, but if we win state we can go straight to nationals, oh but there are other tournaments we would rather do so let's skip nationals. So what is better? For the founding clubs the revenue stream is nice, but as far as competition it is the same teams that existed before. How has OPL created competition? Less teams to play means less competition.

The teams that qualified for surf cup, would have qualified before. I am hoping someone can help me understand by showing me evidence of a higher level of competition that only exists because of OPL.

Any takers? Remember evidence, not just "Billy had a great time, and wow those Washington teams are so good"

Ok. I went back to your original post. Your first point: "With few exceptions Oregon got hammered, wow better stay away from that one." I think we've already covered that.

Club regionals isn't that big of deal, but what around here is?

Next point: "Less teams means less competition." Actually, it doesn't. The teams we don't have to travel to play aren't missed. Also, as pointed out the combination of age groups meant better competition and it was. I watched the games.

Don't know about Surf Cup qualification. Maybe, maybe not. The NWCL did give those teams who didn't have a chance otherwise to qualify by winning. That seems to promote competition to me, but I don't really see your point.

Finally, I'll give you a concrete example. WSM Premier got to play FC 92 Blue and OSSA 92. WSM got to play FC 94 Blue. They wouldn't have otherwise and both teams dominated their respective age groups evidenced by 4-0 and 3-0 wins in the state cup.

So yes. The set up in OPL created more competitive games during the league season that wouldn't have otherwise existed.

Had enough?

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So did OPL set up NWCL, and WCDA? Really? I clearly remember OPL expressing frustration that NWCL and WCDA were so slow to get off the ground. They participated, they did not create.

"Teams for the second season have been selected on the basis of results from the 2010 fall season, 2011 spring season for senior girls, performance in the Oregon and Washington State Championship and other*criteria established by the Soccer Advisory Board.*" from the NWCL website.

This league existed before OPL, WCDA is a west coast organization. It was created far before OPL.

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Really

"Teams for the second season have been selected on the basis of results from the 2010 fall season, 2011 spring season for senior girls, performance in the Oregon and Washington State Championship and other*criteria established by the Soccer Advisory Board.*" from the NWCL website.

This league existed before OPL, WCDA is a west coast organization. It was created far before OPL.

Then why aren't any OYSA teams in it? Neither OYSA nor any of its current member clubs had anything to do with it.

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Finally, I'll give you a concrete example. WSM Premier got to play FC 92 Blue and OSSA 92. WSM got to play FC 94 Blue. They wouldn't have otherwise and both teams dominated their respective age groups evidenced by 4-0 and 3-0 wins in the state cup.

So yes. The set up in OPL created more competitive games during the league season that wouldn't have otherwise existed.

Had enough?

So let me be sure I've got this correct. You are saying that OPL created more competitive leagues because they allowed teams to play in mixed age groups? Clearly I agree this likely gave teams like internationals or the older near college age teams more competition, but what about the remaining teams? To make a claim like "we created more competition" to me implies across the board, not just one or two teams. If you are merely suggesting it was good for a few, actually you prove my point.

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Have you looked at the Standings

So let me be sure I've got this correct. You are saying that OPL created more competitive leagues because they allowed teams to play in mixed age groups? Clearly I agree this likely gave teams like internationals or the older near college age teams more competition, but what about the remaining teams? To make a claim like "we created more competition" to me implies across the board, not just one or two teams. If you are merely suggesting it was good for a few, actually you prove my point.

I really don't understand what point you're trying to make. The Internationals are last year's news. They are sophomores in college now. I'm talking about freshmen in high school.

Look at the make up of the U15/16 bracket. It was the best teams from both age groups. FC PDX finished first, Galacticos second. In the U17/18 bracket Premier finished first. (By the way, the OYSA State Cup U17 Champion finished dead last) The mixed age groups created a bigger pool of similar talent. It was across the board at the high school level and benefited every team that played. It kept weaker teams from being hammered which doesn't benefit anyone, and gave the good teams more competitive games. That simply did not happen before. It really doesn't matter to me whether that was put together by OPL or OYSA. The point is it didn't exist before so to answer your question--yes, OPL created enhanced competition.

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I really don't understand what point you're trying to make. The Internationals are last year's news. They are sophomores in college now. I'm talking about freshmen in high school.

Look at the make up of the U15/16 bracket. It was the best teams from both age groups. FC PDX finished first, Galacticos second. In the U17/18 bracket Premier finished first. (By the way, the OYSA State Cup U17 Champion finished dead last) The mixed age groups created a bigger pool of similar talent. It was across the board at the high school level and benefited every team that played. It kept weaker teams from being hammered which doesn't benefit anyone, and gave the good teams more competitive games. That simply did not happen before. It really doesn't matter to me whether that was put together by OPL or OYSA. The point is it didn't exist before so to answer your question--yes, OPL created enhanced competition.

This is such idiocy it's become almost comical. It is the same frickin teams playing the same fricking teams. Who cares if it's OYSA or OPL.

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"Teams for the second season have been selected on the basis of results from the 2010 fall season, 2011 spring season for senior girls, performance in the Oregon and Washington State Championship and other*criteria established by the Soccer Advisory Board.*" from the NWCL website.

This league existed before OPL, WCDA is a west coast organization. It was created far before OPL.

NWCL did not exist before last year, nor did WCDA. Trust me on that. I traveled to games for both leagues for kids in different clubs that played in these leagues. I'm pretty certain I'd never done that before. Dead certain, actually. Here's the NWCL about us link if you want to look it up. http://www.northwestchampions.com/about/index_E.html and here's the WCDA about us link if you want to look that up. http://www.westerncda.com/about/index_E.html

The WCDA link doesn't really establish when it was started, so here's a quote from the FC PDX page from the finals two weekends ago:

"The Western College Development Academy has just concluded their first year of competition with the Fullerton (CA) Rangers ‘93 winning the inaugural year’s final match."

Facts matter.

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Nobody

This is such idiocy it's become almost comical. It is the same frickin teams playing the same fricking teams. Who cares if it's OYSA or OPL.

Nobody really. Why are you so worked up about it?

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Facts do matter

NWCL did not exist before last year, nor did WCDA. Trust me on that. I traveled to games for both leagues for kids in different clubs that played in these leagues. I'm pretty certain I'd never done that before. Dead certain, actually. Here's the NWCL about us link if you want to look it up. http://www.northwestchampions.com/about/index_E.html and here's the WCDA about us link if you want to look that up. http://www.westerncda.com/about/index_E.html

The WCDA link doesn't really establish when it was started, so here's a quote from the FC PDX page from the finals two weekends ago:

"The Western College Development Academy has just concluded their first year of competition with the Fullerton (CA) Rangers ‘93 winning the inaugural year’s final match."

Facts matter.

Facts do matter. But you may be missing the point that the results from the 1st year of the OPL Fall League determine some of the teams for the 2nd year of the NWCL . That doesn't mean there wasn't a NWCL in 2011 ,,, just that the OPL wasn't part of the initial qualifying criteria for the NWCL.