Training Center

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Did Metros have a U14 team last year, just curous, you have this wrong U13's won state not 14's.. 1

He is using the current team age brackets not last years.

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thusc failing at high school level?

For all the thusc peeps I would like to know why thusc fails at the high school ages? This year thusc did not win a single title above u14. The u15 team was very good but thusc has produced nothing above u15. I am excluding Ireland as that team came intact with coach at u15 and thusc had nothing to do with it's development. So what is the story...where are all the thusc high school age teams? Why is there such a dramatic drop off at u16 for thusc?

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For all the thusc peeps I would like to know why thusc fails at the high school ages? This year thusc did not win a single title above u14. The u15 team was very good but thusc has produced nothing above u15. I am excluding Ireland as that team came intact with coach at u15 and thusc had nothing to do with it's development. So what is the story...where are all the thusc high school age teams? Why is there such a dramatic drop off at u16 for thusc?

Youself and others should really start your own thread, this is supposed to be about the Training Center.

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WSM Girls
u-11 Premier level
u-12 Bottom of Premier/Top of Division 1
u-13 Top of Division 1
u-14 Sate Champions
u-15 Bottom of Premier/Top of Division 1
u-16 Premier
u-17 Bottom of Division 1
u-18 State Champions
u-19 Every girl was offered a scholarship/roster spot on a college team.

If you ask me, this is a much improved girls side from WSM, but than again, I am just an over involved dad.

Help me out here. How many girls state champions did FC have last year and the year before that? What about OSSA or LO. How many State Champions did THUSC have this year?

Seems to me that WSM girls is right on par. If they had any more state champions on the girl's side WSM would have to start being the best girls club in the state (based on championships).

I would judge a club more by how many teams they had in the finals, not by how many they won. Everyone knows that on any given day either team could win. THUSC was 5 for 5 on the girls side for teams in the finals.

As far as your assesment of WSM girls you even point out there are only two girls teams that are any good. Being top of division 1 or bottom of premier does not make you a good team. U11-U14 girls are all either top of the lower division or bottom of the top. If you're ranking clubs like that then I guess THUSC would be on the up side for the boys program. U11-U12 will be top of division 1, U13 A team will be bottom of premier, U13 B team will be division 1, U15 boys near top of division 1, U16 top of division 1.

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Check you facts. Each team has healthy roster of anywhere from 16 to 18.
This is the continued pattern of thusc criticizing WSM for their girls side. Because, god forbid, if WSM gets a good girls side it would render thusc to be inconsequential. That really scares thusc since it has no boys side.

U11 is having supplemental try-outs because they didn't get enough. I was at the U12 try outs and they only had about 15 girls show up. U13G were struggling for numbers as no new faces showed up and a few left. Those are the facts. I am a parent at WSM so I know what I am talking about. There is no need to lie, facts are facts. WSM is finally looking at trying to improve the girls side and I am happy about that. Years prior the girls side only existed to fund the boys program.

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Back on topic

But isn't the idea of the training center to get an outside set of eyes to look at these players? Shouldn't the talent of these players be visible to anyone? That is the unique proposition of a small window is you need to figure out how to show. This isn't about your coach walking with you opening all the doors. That is almost more debilitating because it takes away the pressure to show.

Finally I strongly disagree with the comment that there will always be potential for conflict of interest as being an excuse for inaction to prevent conflicts of interest. You can wear your blindfold and pretend it doesn't exist, but it will diminish the accomplishments of all involved if it looks possible that there was some conflict below the surface.

Real simple, instead of blowing on and on about there is no conflict, just eliminate it from the get go. Dont most organizations do that anyways?

To get back on topic, I went way back to find a relevant post so people can comment if they have anything else to add about the training center. If more to say about specific clubs/teams please start a another thread as I think we are just going in circles. I'd like to have a good discussion about this and other soccer topics as I think there are things to learn from different perspectives and ideas for improvement for Oregon soccer.

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U11 is having supplemental try-outs because they didn't get enough. I was at the U12 try outs and they only had about 15 girls show up. U13G were struggling for numbers as no new faces showed up and a few left. Those are the facts. I am a parent at WSM so I know what I am talking about. There is no need to lie, facts are facts. WSM is finally looking at trying to improve the girls side and I am happy about that. Years prior the girls side only existed to fund the boys program.

Really, What are the facts on this one. I have not seen one thing that WSM has done to improve the girls side. Please list the facts.

In my opinion, the girls side is still the side car to the Boys program.

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Training Center Thread

If you have anything more to say about the traing center, reply here. If not see new Club/Team thread, please.

Thank You!

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To get back on topic, I went way back to find a relevant post so people can comment if they have anything else to add about the training center. If more to say about specific clubs/teams please start a another thread as I think we are just going in circles. I'd like to have a good discussion about this and other soccer topics as I think there are things to learn from different perspectives and ideas for improvement for Oregon soccer.

I dont know the answer, but there has to be a better way to get the best played at this training center. Our DOC never saw the ones sent that came from an age group in our club. Who is actually sending the players?

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Adopt Cal South Model Perhaps

I dont know the answer, but there has to be a better way to get the best played at this training center. Our DOC never saw the ones sent that came from an age group in our club. Who is actually sending the players?

Perhaps adopting something similar to the Cal South model for ODP would work but require hiring scouts. Here is the info off of their website.

There are a number of ways players can be selected for ODP in Cal South. Club technical directors, directors of coaching, team coaches and even opposing club coaches can recommend players through our online recommendation form. Individual players that are recommended this way will be scouted in league play from September through December and at the Cal South State Cup and National Cup competitions. These annual events, which take place from February through May, are the only official scouting events within Cal South.

Here's a quick recap on who can recommend players for ODP:

Club Technical Directors
Club Directors of Coaching
Club Coaches
Regional Staff Coaches
National Staff Coaches
ODP Scouts
Opposing Club Coaches

Cal South cannot accept player recommendations from either of the following:

Private trainers
Parents

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Intereting idea but...

Perhaps adopting something similar to the Cal South model for ODP would work but require hiring scouts. Here is the info off of their website.

There are a number of ways players can be selected for ODP in Cal South. Club technical directors, directors of coaching, team coaches and even opposing club coaches can recommend players through our online recommendation form. Individual players that are recommended this way will be scouted in league play from September through December and at the Cal South State Cup and National Cup competitions. These annual events, which take place from February through May, are the only official scouting events within Cal South.

Here's a quick recap on who can recommend players for ODP:

Club Technical Directors
Club Directors of Coaching
Club Coaches
Regional Staff Coaches
National Staff Coaches
ODP Scouts
Opposing Club Coaches

Cal South cannot accept player recommendations from either of the following:

Private trainers
Parents

While the CS model is interesting, I'm not sure it fits Oregon. From people I have talked to who have been involved with CS ODP, they will often have 1,000 players show up at tryouts for single age groups. This abundance of players is far from what we see in Oregon.

Second, and I would love to hear a developmentally based, rather than an emotional reply, is I believe the tryout model forces a kid to own their success. In the current model it is the kids responsibility to get seen/noticed. I could easily picture the result of a California model would be parents complaining that their kid was "never given a chance", "the scouts weren't looking at the brilliant move he made" etc...

I think while it may be uncomfortable for some, this model where it is self-driven has some real value.

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While the CS model is interesting, I'm not sure it fits Oregon. From people I have talked to who have been involved with CS ODP, they will often have 1,000 players show up at tryouts for single age groups. This abundance of players is far from what we see in Oregon.

Second, and I would love to hear a developmentally based, rather than an emotional reply, is I believe the tryout model forces a kid to own their success. In the current model it is the kids responsibility to get seen/noticed. I could easily picture the result of a California model would be parents complaining that their kid was "never given a chance", "the scouts weren't looking at the brilliant move he made" etc...

I think while it may be uncomfortable for some, this model where it is self-driven has some real value.

If we had quality coaches actually paying attention and not huddled under a tent next to a heater. Or a head coach who wants something other than size.

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While the CS model is interesting, I'm not sure it fits Oregon. From people I have talked to who have been involved with CS ODP, they will often have 1,000 players show up at tryouts for single age groups. This abundance of players is far from what we see in Oregon.

Second, and I would love to hear a developmentally based, rather than an emotional reply, is I believe the tryout model forces a kid to own their success. In the current model it is the kids responsibility to get seen/noticed. I could easily picture the result of a California model would be parents complaining that their kid was "never given a chance", "the scouts weren't looking at the brilliant move he made" etc...

I think while it may be uncomfortable for some, this model where it is self-driven has some real value.

Not sure that I would agree with the current model we have in Oregon. If you've been reading some of the previous blogs/threads, many people were talking about how some kids were mysteriously selected and good players left out and how some outstanding players chose not to try out because of financial constraints. So in effect, OR teams haven't been very successful in ODP tournaments at all. The try out process in SoCal is a much more competitive process than what we have in Oregon so that just to be recommended to try out is an accomplishment in itself. Kids who want to be nominated will work hard at club level to begin with, not at ODP try-out. Furthermore, this gives the appearance of our own ODP as very prestigious that will impress many.

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While the CS model is interesting, I'm not sure it fits Oregon. From people I have talked to who have been involved with CS ODP, they will often have 1,000 players show up at tryouts for single age groups. This abundance of players is far from what we see in Oregon.

Second, and I would love to hear a developmentally based, rather than an emotional reply, is I believe the tryout model forces a kid to own their success. In the current model it is the kids responsibility to get seen/noticed. I could easily picture the result of a California model would be parents complaining that their kid was "never given a chance", "the scouts weren't looking at the brilliant move he made" etc...

I think while it may be uncomfortable for some, this model where it is self-driven has some real value.

I disagree in that even in the CS model, it is self driven. In the CS model if the kids wants to be considered for ODP, they need to train hard everyday and play hard in every game.

I see to many kids who are good players in the Oregon system who decide when they want to train and or play hard because they are the "STAR" players out there. They can show up for a 2 day tryout work hard for 2 days and then back to the normal pick and choose once they make ODP. If they are not performing on a regular basis then in CS they would not be or are less likely to be nominated.

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Not sure that I would agree with the current model we have in Oregon. If you've been reading some of the previous blogs/threads, many people were talking about how some kids were mysteriously selected and good players left out and how some outstanding players chose not to try out because of financial constraints. So in effect, OR teams haven't been very successful in ODP tournaments at all. The try out process in SoCal is a much more competitive process than what we have in Oregon so that just to be recommended to try out is an accomplishment in itself. Kids who want to be nominated will work hard at club level to begin with, not at ODP try-out. Furthermore, this gives the appearance of our own ODP as very prestigious that will impress many.

You do realize that you are comparing a 35million population base to a 2million population base? Also, you are not correct in the lack of success in Oregon teams against So Cal. Just ask the 96G from last year who beat So, Cal to go to the regional finals. I'm just saying.... it might help to know what you are talking about.