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Originally posted by Unregistered
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I am involved in girls high school soccer (and track and lacrosse), even a step further for the school and coach in question and I can tell you first hand I have never witnessed recruiting going on. The high school element is different from a club soccer environment where a player, as long as he/she is will to travel to practice/games, can belong to any club. In high school there are many 'hoops' to jump through in order to go out of district. Unless of course you are private (uh huh, *cough* Jesuit) then you can pull players from all geographic areas with no recourse. Am I saying players don't play out of district? No. Case in point our keeper lives in Aloha and she had to follow all the rules set forth by the district and both schools in order to attend. -
It is apparent you may not know very much about metro high school people and sports.Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
I am a metro high school parent and know nothing of the sorts.
So either you really have no clue or you are a bitter coach, assistant coach or A.D. of an Arch Rival in the metro league.Comment
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I guess you missed him talking to the player after a game last year? This is not the only player either. Yes, it is up to the player to decide and there must be an academic reason and school approval as well. Some are upset, some are ok with it. "We" have seen him on the field - tryouts, practices games etc. with more than two last year. The school finally said something. Just raising awareness.Originally posted by SodiumFan[2] View PostComment
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I guess you are correct. Like the post said; "I have never witnessed..." Who was it he was talking to?Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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So let me get this right. a high school coach can't watch club soccer games, can't talk to players, can't go to the rec center, etc... are you guys nuts? LolOriginally posted by SodiumFan[2] View PostComment
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I don't believe any of the posts mentioned watching club soccer games or going to the rec center. One did mention the particular coach talking to a player but I believe it was after a game? I may be wrong. The posts were centered on recruitment of players.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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My point exactly. His point was "he was talking with a player after a game". That means recruiting? Absolutely stupid, and idiotic.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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But what does that have to do with going to the rec center or watching a club game? Please explain.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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Spectating and coaching w/ limitations is ok. Recruiting etc. not. "We" have seen, heard and are watching and talking. He crossed the line in the past. Hopefully he has learned and will change his ways. Some are afraid to say anything and the school is cautious to do anything. Just check it out for yourself and be aware of the conflict this creates for all involved.Comment
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http://www.osaa.org/publications/han...DanceDrill.asp
8.7. Undue Influence
Rule: Despite compliance with the other provisions of these Rules, any student who attends a member high school as a result of undue influence as defined in these Rules is thereafter ineligible and the high school is subject to the penalties set out in Rule 5.
For purposes of this Rule, "undue influence" is the attempt by any person (including but not limited to coaches, boosters, teachers, administrators, parents, alumni) to induce the attendance of a student at a public or a private member school for purposes of athletic or activities participation. Undue influence includes, without limitation, contacting a student with the intent of recruiting the student to a particular school for purposes of athletic or activities participation or promising employment or any other pecuniary benefit to the student or any member of the student's family to induce the attendance of the student at a particular school for purposes of athletic or activities participation. It shall not be considered undue influence for authorized representatives of a private high school to contact students attending private feeder schools to induce their attendance at the private high school or for authorized representatives of public high schools to so contact students within that public high school's attendance boundaries.
Rationale: The objective of the Undue Influence rule is to prevent member schools, and persons affiliated with a member school, from exerting an undue influence on students with a goal of securing or retaining a student for athletic or activities purposes. This rule serves the substantial interests of Association members of prioritizing academics over competition, protecting young students from exploitation, ensuring an even playing field among competing schools, providing for equitable competition in Association sports and activities, and protecting the physical welfare of students engaging in contact sports.
1. Q. Does the undue influence rule apply only during the Association year?
A. No. The undue influence rule applies at all times.
2. Q. Does the undue influence rule apply prior to attending high school?
A. Yes.
3. Q. Is it considered undue influence to initiate contact with a student from another school at any game or contest for the purpose of discussing athletic or activities programs?
A. Yes. Any contact initiated by a coach or other school representative with a student from another school for the purpose of athletic or activities recruitment is considered undue influence.
4. Q. Is it considered undue influence for a school to send recruiting letters to students who already are enrolled in a high school?
A. Yes.
5. Q. Is it considered undue influence for a private school to send general information letters to students enrolled in public middle schools?
A. Yes. Private schools are only allowed to send general information letters to large groups of students in their own feeder systems. Private schools are not allowed to send a general information letter to a student currently enrolled in a public feeder school unless the family of the student has specifically requested information about the private school.
6. Q. Is it considered undue influence for a school representative to discuss that school's athletic or activities program with a visiting student?
A. It would not be considered undue influence if the student had contacted the school first to request information about the athletic or activities program.
7. Q. Is it considered undue influence for a school representative to contact an athlete or activities participant in a multiple high school district about enrolling in another school in that district primarily for the purpose of athletics or activities?
A. Yes.
8. Q. What are other examples of undue influence?
A. If selected individuals are offered free transportation, invited to attend practice or games, or offered or awarded any privileges or considerations not offered to other students, whether athletes or non-athletes, those offers or awards would be examples of undue influenceComment
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Aren't we talking about U14? What has osaa rules got to do with that? High school soccer is a joke. I call it rec+. We used to allow high school teams in to our turnaments only in silver or below divisions. Now we just don't allow them at all.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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recruitment
and what is the penalty for Jesuit who pretty much break every rule stated? obviously none whatsoever, because it doesn't apply to them. point here is that this rule of two is garbage, archaic, impossible to enforce, etc....Comment
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If you don't like the rules than don't coach/play for high school under OSAA. Play club or hs rec or whatever. These are the rules and should be enforced, or they should change them.Comment
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"SHOULD" is the optimal word here. Or, you can be like Jesuit and press the "Ignore" button.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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