OPL ODP vs OYSA ODP

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This is probably why the OYSA ODP program is as strong as it is right now.

This might be true for the '95 and '96 girls but if you look at '97 and '98 it's the opposite. The future of ODP is not looking good. I hope they can address the problems and get back on track.

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The word elite has been used on this forum to describe all the players on an ODP team. But from my experience that is not the case. Only a handful of ODP players at any age level are truly elite athletes. The players who aren't elite, the competitive or "high level" players, make up the bulk of the ODP pool and the traveling teams and are just not as rare as everyone wants to believe. My daughter is one of those players and here's what I've learned; while they're not a dime a dozen, there's a surprising number of non-ODP players in any age group who could fill that "competitive player" space just as effectively. Oregon has plenty of these second tier "high level" players to fill both OYS-ODP and OPL-ODP teams, especially if "free of charge" gives opportunities to the deserving players who up to this point have been side-lined. With two ODP opportunities, 90% of the two pools would be comprised of very similar-level players. The biggest issue would be where the truly elite 1-5 players end up. My guess is OPL.

My daughters U15 team has 2-3 players in the ODP pool. They are very strong players. I do notice however that we have other girls on the team with just as much skill and competitiveness who are not ODP. Without taking away from the accomplishments of the players who have chosen the ODP path, this observation must be made by other parents on nearly every team. I tend to agree with this post.

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Can the OPL field an ODP team? I don't think so. It's a USYSA program and would the Region IV people let this happen? They would have to call it something else...

I like the "Obscene amount" comment about Arizona. I laugh at you people that will spend $100 for a dinner then turn around and complain about the fee. And I know the most vocal people saying this and that's a drop in the bucket for what their car payment is. WOW...your kids don't mean that much to you huh.....

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This might be true for the '95 and '96 girls but if you look at '97 and '98 it's the opposite. The future of ODP is not looking good. I hope they can address the problems and get back on track.

And how would you do it ?

What do you think they should do to get "back on track" ?

(Im not trying to be a smart azz, but really would like to hear your ideas)

Just because a few key players in the state were not accepted (class of 98 in point), does not make a program failed or "off track".

The regional training centers offer to more players the opportunity to play with the better players in the state and with the best coaches available. Doesn't this make for a better opportunity for our State's group of players to get better ?

I have one idea. Make the ODP season longer (possibly year round). More training sessions and more opportunities for supplemental tryouts (i.e. super draft, supplemental draft and walk on tryouts and scheduled times). I guess it would then called the Oregon Developmental Academy of sorts.

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And how would you do it ?

What do you think they should do to get "back on track" ?

(Im not trying to be a smart azz, but really would like to hear your ideas)

Just because a few key players in the state were not accepted (class of 98 in point), does not make a program failed or "off track".

The regional training centers offer to more players the opportunity to play with the better players in the state and with the best coaches available. Doesn't this make for a better opportunity for our State's group of players to get better ?

I have one idea. Make the ODP season longer (possibly year round). More training sessions and more opportunities for supplemental tryouts (i.e. super draft, supplemental draft and walk on tryouts and scheduled times). I guess it would then called the Oregon Developmental Academy of sorts.

Sorry I am not the previous poster, but wanted to touch this. There were some 98's left out that should not have been, however I think what concerns me more is those that did not try-out at all. This is a bigger concern. I suspect for the first year there is always a player or two that gets missed at try-out, but the 98's are a strong group and so many key players were missing from the try-out altogether. Maybe it is a sign of the economy? Maybe word got out about last year? Who knows?

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And how would you do it ?

What do you think they should do to get "back on track" ?

1. If they must hold a try out then no coach shall coach his/her club age group. No coach shall be in attendance of try outs for his/her age group or if their child is present at try outs.

2. There must be 2-3 coaches per field who are up and moving on the field and not sitting under a tent.

3. I wouldn't even have a try out. I would have coaches going to games all season long and scout out players. Seems to work great for SoCal.

4. Size alone wouldn't matter, skill and tactical awareness would win out.

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I am guessing Washington because Oregon will be too diluted to make it worth their while. What you are describing is the top team in each age group which if it does not make up the entire OPL ODP team will likely be the bulk. Sounds like options are getting fewer. At that point just go play for that team.

This is already the case in the current ODP program. If the rumors are true that Ireland now has the possession ODP players, the 95 ODP team has 9-10 field players from the same club team. Sounds like options are already fewer. The question becomes, are there club teams out there who are beating Ireland and are not loaded with ODP players. That would speak to the "dilution" issue. I'm not one who believes that Oregon will be too diluted.

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1. If they must hold a try out then no coach shall coach his/her club age group. No coach shall be in attendance of try outs for his/her age group or if their child is present at try outs.

2. There must be 2-3 coaches per field who are up and moving on the field and not sitting under a tent.

3. I wouldn't even have a try out. I would have coaches going to games all season long and scout out players. Seems to work great for SoCal.

4. Size alone wouldn't matter, skill and tactical awareness would win out.

Yes and I believe this may solve the problem of really good players not trying out. An invitation is far more appealing.

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1. If they must hold a try out then no coach shall coach his/her club age group. No coach shall be in attendance of try outs for his/her age group or if their child is present at try outs.

2. There must be 2-3 coaches per field who are up and moving on the field and not sitting under a tent.

3. I wouldn't even have a try out. I would have coaches going to games all season long and scout out players. Seems to work great for SoCal.

4. Size alone wouldn't matter, skill and tactical awareness would win out.

5. You can't evaluate in a region you coach...this will eliminate the WSM example of picking your clubs players.

Add to #3 a supplemental tryout for any unidentified from game scouting. This would be "second chance" and would eliminate the current back room politicking second chances by DOC's.

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5. You can't evaluate in a region you coach...this will eliminate the WSM example of picking your clubs players.

Add to #3 a supplemental tryout for any unidentified from game scouting. This would be "second chance" and would eliminate the current back room politicking second chances by DOC's.

Cal South also bring in ODP coaches from other states to their ODP ID events so that there are fresh eyes on players. I like that idea as it takes away the finger pointing about bias and politics.

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All great ideas.

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Do we all agree that renationalized training center are a good thing for the identified players in our State ?

Yes or No. Share with us why you think so.

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Cal South also bring in ODP coaches from other states to their ODP ID events so that there are fresh eyes on players. I like that idea as it takes away the finger pointing about bias and politics.

This is a great idea...

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regionalized

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Cal South also bring in ODP coaches from other states to their ODP ID events so that there are fresh eyes on players. I like that idea as it takes away the finger pointing about bias and politics.

I like this idea a lot. I know that they do this as they have used OR coaches.