Private soccer coaching

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I completely agree. It takes a special kind of person to be a great coach. You definitely need a good mix of; experience, the ability to relate to players and parents (constructively and respectfully) and a genuine love for the sport. Of course being professional, approachable and funny doesn't hurt either. :) I can honestly say that in the 8 years my kids have been involved in sports (soccer, football, basketball, gymnastics...whatever) we have had maybe a handful that had those charateristics.

I'd say if you're shopping for a coach for private lessons, talking to other players and parents is just as important as what comes up on their soccer resume.

Just an observation ------ > If this is true, then why do so many of the heated discussions here hinge on a coaches credentials ? We all agree that there are coaches within our mix that cant coach yet hold "A" national certificates and there are those that have the minimum "accreditation" that have taken groups to the highest level.

I would agree with your statements above. I know of a couple good/great coaches that I as a parent liked when my player has worked with or played for and my player liked playing for them. Their spirit was high every time they met and my player rose to new heights when asked to do so by them and these people didnt hold an A or B license.

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He took a middle of the road Rage team from middle of the Pack to an own goal way from winning the OPL this year.

Rage has never been a "middle of the road" team. They have always played at the highest levels locally, maybe just below the top of the heap, but never at the silver, bronze or below levels. Had he taken them from a lower level league to their current position your statement would have much more importance in my opinion.

I would agree that the Rage team has become a better team foot skills wise. But he has a ways to go yet to be considered a great coach. This being his first real coaching job EVER, there is no down side yet.

Time will tell. If this team stays in tact and they can stay on top til next May, his history may start to be written.

Is it true though that he charges his own team players extra money to privately train with him? How does this influence his formation/game playing time decisions at each game ? Are those that don't train with him getting equal playing time, even if they have better skills or train elsewhere ?

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Is it true though that he charges his own team players extra money to privately train with him?

That is true for just about any coach. Gaff charges his players more for extra training.

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That is true for just about any coach. Gaff charges his players more for extra training.

Doesnt that send the wrong message though ?

We all pay a great sum of money to play for these clubs, then to have the coach collecting money on the side to "make your player better so they can get more playing time" just goes against the whole concept of playing for and trained by these great coaches the clubs select.

What if my player trains with someone else or not at all, yet is equal to or better then the top players on the team and gets less playing time during games ?

What happens when a player stops training with him, do they then go the bench in favor of others that do ? You dont honestly think that he is going to bite the hand that feeds him do you ?

Many clubs have rules specifically against exactly this type of actions from their coaches. Many coaches will "trade" players to train, then you dont have any financial influence at game time.

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That is true for just about any coach. Gaff charges his players more for extra training.

Are they group sessions that include players from other teams and/or clubs or exclusive to only his team ?

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That is true for just about any coach. Gaff charges his players more for extra training.

I would be very careful about making comments like this about any coach. Where is the evidence?

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Are they group sessions that include players from other teams and/or clubs or exclusive to only his team ?

I know he coaches boys and girls from THUSC, FC, WSM, LO, OSSA.

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I would be very careful about making comments like this about any coach. Where is the evidence?

Go to the rec and you can see him private training 2-3 kids from Indium. It's not like it's a big secret.

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I could name several coaches from different clubs (FC, WSM, LO) that coach kids from their teams. As long as they are professional about it and clearly define that training with them doesn't impact on playing time then there should be no problem. This may or may not be the case however.

Also if a coach trains just kids from their own teams then there could be a problem as that looks like they are taking advantage of their players a little. If a coach is training kids from multiple teams and clubs and is known for this then that again is a different scenario.

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Come on Man!!

Rage has never been a "middle of the road" team. They have always played at the highest levels locally, maybe just below the top of the heap, but never at the silver, bronze or below levels. Had he taken them from a lower level league to their current position your statement would have much more importance in my opinion.

I would agree that the Rage team has become a better team foot skills wise. But he has a ways to go yet to be considered a great coach. This being his first real coaching job EVER, there is no down side yet.

Time will tell. If this team stays in tact and they can stay on top til next May, his history may start to be written.

Is it true though that he charges his own team players extra money to privately train with him? How does this influence his formation/game playing time decisions at each game ? Are those that don't train with him getting equal playing time, even if they have better skills or train elsewhere ?

It was pretty obvious the poster meant the the Rage came from the middle of the pack from the Premeir Division. So come on Man!!

Whether any Coach is great or not is always going to be a subjective point I would think. So as far as Mr. DeGeer goes lets see, does an average Coach do any of the following:
1. Again, take his team from the midddle of the pack in his Division to the top in one year?
2. Build up a huge clientele of players for personal training mostly by word of mouth?
3. Become the Assistant Head Coach for the Boys Team at Tualatin HS?

Hey if you are that SSC parent who left the Rage how is that working for you? Did your team stay in tact? Do your team stay on top?

As for the training and playing time stuff that has been pretty well covered. I would ask do you really think that his team would have done that well if he was not rotating his players effectively?

Come on Man!!

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Rage has never been a "middle of the road" team. They have always played at the highest levels locally, maybe just below the top of the heap, but never at the silver, bronze or below levels. Had he taken them from a lower level league to their current position your statement would have much more importance in my opinion.

I would agree that the Rage team has become a better team foot skills wise. But he has a ways to go yet to be considered a great coach. This being his first real coaching job EVER, there is no down side yet.

Time will tell. If this team stays in tact and they can stay on top til next May, his history may start to be written.

Is it true though that he charges his own team players extra money to privately train with him? How does this influence his formation/game playing time decisions at each game ? Are those that don't train with him getting equal playing time, even if they have better skills or train elsewhere ?

RAGE PARENTS do not fall for this. He is baiting you. My guess is this is the guy that always goes after Rage.

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It was pretty obvious the poster meant the the Rage came from the middle of the pack from the Premeir Division. So come on Man!!

Whether any Coach is great or not is always going to be a subjective point I would think. So as far as Mr. DeGeer goes lets see, does an average Coach do any of the following:
1. Again, take his team from the midddle of the pack in his Division to the top in one year?
2. Build up a huge clientele of players for personal training mostly by word of mouth?
3. Become the Assistant Head Coach for the Boys Team at Tualatin HS?

Hey if you are that SSC parent who left the Rage how is that working for you? Did your team stay in tact? Do your team stay on top?

As for the training and playing time stuff that has been pretty well covered. I would ask do you really think that his team would have done that well if he was not rotating his players effectively?

Come on Man!!

Rage had a kid go to SS? Ahh now some of the animosity is making sense.

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Doesnt that send the wrong message though ?

We all pay a great sum of money to play for these clubs, then to have the coach collecting money on the side to "make your player better so they can get more playing time" just goes against the whole concept of playing for and trained by these great coaches the clubs select.

What if my player trains with someone else or not at all, yet is equal to or better then the top players on the team and gets less playing time during games ?

What happens when a player stops training with him, do they then go the bench in favor of others that do ? You dont honestly think that he is going to bite the hand that feeds him do you ?

Many clubs have rules specifically against exactly this type of actions from their coaches. Many coaches will "trade" players to train, then you dont have any financial influence at game time.

If your player is not doing any extra training alone or otherwise you are probably delusional and they are unlikely better than the starters that are training.

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A private trainer came recommended for my son and after some research and asking around found some conflicting information. I was told he trains players in Tigard Tualatin area and also coaches club. My question is he claims to play professional. But isn't true. And no license to coach or any at all? Before I give a go for my son...Daniel Degeer is his name. here is the evidence:

http://www.linkedin.com/in/danieldegeer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_MLS_College_Draft

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_ML...lemental_Draft

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_MLS_College_Draft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_ML...lemental_Draft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_MLS_College_Draft

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_ML...lemental_Draft

This is a dumb post. Degeer is a good coach and an even better trainer. He does not "brag" about where he played. He is young, and motivated. Are you honestly using his draft information to determine whether he can train your kid? Why not talk to the guy, watch a session, then sit and wait cause you won't get in for a year.

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No wonder OR loses so many good, young coaches! People would complain if they couldn't get additional training yet people complain when there is additional training.

I can bet it isn't the parents of the motivated players who do extra training that come on here and snipe about these private coaches.

I say well done to Degeer, Gaff and all the other young guys out there who are working with varying programs to make OR kids better!