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THUSC Mercury 1
ESUFC Tottenham 1

Great game, 2 great teams! But looks like THUSC will have to forfeit this one to ESUFC as they vilolated OPL rules by rostering, and playing 19 players. Rules per ODL say on game day only 18 may be rostered, violating rule will result in a forfeit.

I guess if you can't beat them on the field the next best thing is to scour the rules to see if there were any violations. If the score had ended THUSC 1, ESUFC 2 you would have never heard a peep. LOL!

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I guess if you can't beat them on the field the next best thing is to scour the rules to see if there were any violations. If the score had ended THUSC 1, ESUFC 2 you would have never heard a peep. LOL!

I am a THUSC parent (not Mercury) but I have to agree with the other posts. If Mercury broke the rules then they need to forfeit. Rules are in place for a reason and that rule is easy to follow. It's a shame it was not followed.

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I guess if you can't beat them on the field the next best thing is to scour the rules to see if there were any violations. If the score had ended THUSC 1, ESUFC 2 you would have never heard a peep. LOL!

I too am a THUSC parent and agree that the rules need to be followed. But, you must admit, this post does raise a good point.

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I am not a parent of either club but have a question about this situation;

If the rule states:

"c. Team rosters are permitted up to 26 players. Match day rosters are limited to 18 players. Any team using an ineligible player shall forfeit all games in which that player participated."

So does that mean they forfeit if their roster has 19 players regardless of how many played? Or if they actually PLAYED 19 players? Or did they have 18 rostered players and 19 on the bench? (or played 19?) Or does it mean regardless of how many players showed up and actually played that day(15, 16, 17), if they had 19 on the roster they forfeit?

Let's face it, not everyone on the roster makes it to the game 100% of the time. When do they submit a "Match day roster?"

Is it really this vague or am I reading WAY too much into this?

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I too am a THUSC parent and agree that the rules need to be followed. But, you must admit, this post does raise a good point.

The post raises no good points. And no one knows if an ESUFC parent would of commented on THUSC cheating or not if they had won. Simple thing is ESUFC is right and THUSC is wrong. I am embarassed by the actions of my club and I hope it was just an oversight somehow.

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I think it is unlikely they cheated as I doubt player #19 had any impact on that game. My guess is it is a costly error. But rules are rules and I agree they need to be followeed. When you are juggling that many players it is probably hard to keep it all straight.

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I am not a parent of either club but have a question about this situation;

If the rule states:

"c. Team rosters are permitted up to 26 players. Match day rosters are limited to 18 players. Any team using an ineligible player shall forfeit all games in which that player participated."

So does that mean they forfeit if their roster has 19 players regardless of how many played? Or if they actually PLAYED 19 players? Or did they have 18 rostered players and 19 on the bench? (or played 19?) Or does it mean regardless of how many players showed up and actually played that day(15, 16, 17), if they had 19 on the roster they forfeit?

Let's face it, not everyone on the roster makes it to the game 100% of the time. When do they submit a "Match day roster?"

Is it really this vague or am I reading WAY too much into this?

Match day rosters are printed on the same day as the match. It can't be that difficult to count to 18 and ensure you only have 18.

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The post raises no good points. And no one knows if an ESUFC parent would of commented on THUSC cheating or not if they had won. Simple thing is ESUFC is right and THUSC is wrong. I am embarassed by the actions of my club and I hope it was just an oversight somehow.

OMG! "You cheated! You cheated!! I'm telling!!" I'm embarrassed you're a THUSC parent. Do you know for certain that this team played 19 players or just assuming based on what you read? Yes, if they handed in a piece of paper with 19 names on it, that was against the rules. These are 14 yr old girls, if you think they did it on purpose in order to somehow gain an advantage, you're delusional.

And yes, the post DOES raise a good point because anyone who has ever read threads on here would not put it past ANY teams parents. Not ESUFC, THUSC, LO, FC or any club. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

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I guess if you can't beat them on the field the next best thing is to scour the rules to see if there were any violations. If the score had ended THUSC 1, ESUFC 2 you would have never heard a peep. LOL!

This had nothing to do with ESUFC "scouring the rules." It was in fact brought up by the ref. When halfway through the first half, THUSC Mercury subed 8 bench players into the game, therefore playing all 19 players. The ref, not ESUFC stopped the game and had a conversation with the THUSC coach, when the coach argued the rule, the sideline ref presented the written rule to him via ipad and the conversation ended. The ref submitted his recommedation of a forfeit to OPL. ESUFC never entered the conversaion. Rules are there for a reason and there is no reason for a coach at that level to not be aware of them.

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This had nothing to do with ESUFC "scouring the rules." It was in fact brought up by the ref. When halfway through the first half, THUSC Mercury subed 8 bench players into the game, therefore playing all 19 players. The ref, not ESUFC stopped the game and had a conversation with the THUSC coach, when the coach argued the rule, the sideline ref presented the written rule to him via ipad and the conversation ended. The ref submitted his recommedation of a forfeit to OPL. ESUFC never entered the conversaion. Rules are there for a reason and there is no reason for a coach at that level to not be aware of them.

The sideline ref carries an iPad? Wow, i'm in the wrong profession.....;)

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if the team cheated and lost - wouldn't the point be moot?

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This had nothing to do with ESUFC "scouring the rules." It was in fact brought up by the ref. When halfway through the first half, THUSC Mercury subed 8 bench players into the game, therefore playing all 19 players. The ref, not ESUFC stopped the game and had a conversation with the THUSC coach, when the coach argued the rule, the sideline ref presented the written rule to him via ipad and the conversation ended. The ref submitted his recommedation of a forfeit to OPL. ESUFC never entered the conversaion. Rules are there for a reason and there is no reason for a coach at that level to not be aware of them.

Still not 100% clear on the rule; if the THUSC coach would have only subbed 7 players then it would have been OK because all 19 wouldn't have played? And the submitted roster, it only had 18 players? What would happen if later he/she subbed in that "19th" player? Could the ref have stopped it then? Other than counting heads on the bench, how would the ref have known? What happens if the coach submits an 18 player roster and then has 19 on the bench? Is it up to the ref to keep track?

Sorry to ask so many questions but I'm just trying to understand the rules and how they apply so I can make intelligent sideline conversation and not look like an idiot. lol!

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The sideline ref carries an iPad? Wow, i'm in the wrong profession.....;)

LOL, that's exactly what I just thinking!

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Still not 100% clear on the rule; if the THUSC coach would have only subbed 7 players then it would have been OK because all 19 wouldn't have played? And the submitted roster, it only had 18 players? What would happen if later he/she subbed in that "19th" player? Could the ref have stopped it then? Other than counting heads on the bench, how would the ref have known? What happens if the coach submits an 18 player roster and then has 19 on the bench? Is it up to the ref to keep track?

Sorry to ask so many questions but I'm just trying to understand the rules and how they apply so I can make intelligent sideline conversation and not look like an idiot. lol!

The roster had 18 players on it but the team brought 19. If you have 11 players on the field and 8 new one's sub in then that would indicate that 19 players played. If the coach hadn't subbed in 8 at once then the ref probably never would of known if all 19 had played or not.

Simple fact is the rule is easy to follow. The coach should of known the rule and should of obeyed it. I doubt that they were trying to cheat but THUSC needs to forfeit. That's the problem with having more than 18 on your team.

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The roster had 18 players on it but the team brought 19. If you have 11 players on the field and 8 new one's sub in then that would indicate that 19 players played. If the coach hadn't subbed in 8 at once then the ref probably never would of known if all 19 had played or not.

Simple fact is the rule is easy to follow. The coach should of known the rule and should of obeyed it. I doubt that they were trying to cheat but THUSC needs to forfeit. That's the problem with having more than 18 on your team.

Wouldn't that mean that the 19th player was not checked in by the ref? I would of thought the ref would of noticed it before the game if they had 19 on the roster. What was the THUSC coach thinking by playing a player who was never even checked in.