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    #16
    I know here in Houston we play 8v8 up until U13. I don't know if that makes us better or worse, but in Dallas they play 11v11 at U11 and they kick our fannies so I don't know what that means, but I hear that we've closed that gap since going to 8v8. I'm relatively new to Houston so I don't really know of the past.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Truer words were never spoken. We (the clubs and state associations) need a directive from the USSF Director of Player Development that 5v5/8v8 will be national law up until 14, fields be damned! Revolution!!
      Am I missing something here? Wasn't the primary reason for the OPL/OYSA split because OPL didn't want to be forced to play small sided? Wasn't OYSA's reasoning that small sided was the direction the national federation was going?

      Small sided games develop the quickness, footskills, and one and two touch abilities Spain and Brazil are famous for. Full field develops fitness, endurance, etc...

      I for one believe the skills make the stronger foundation. For those who say small sided games are boring to older kids, you need to watch a teAm like Spain or Brazil warm up or train. They are so fast, and in constant motion, there is no way you could consider that boring.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Am I missing something here? Wasn't the primary reason for the OPL/OYSA split because OPL didn't want to be forced to play small sided? Wasn't OYSA's reasoning that small sided was the direction the national federation was going?

        Small sided games develop the quickness, footskills, and one and two touch abilities Spain and Brazil are famous for. Full field develops fitness, endurance, etc...

        I for one believe the skills make the stronger foundation. For those who say small sided games are boring to older kids, you need to watch a teAm like Spain or Brazil warm up or train. They are so fast, and in constant motion, there is no way you could consider that boring.
        Here's the deal. When coached and played correctly small sided games are extremely challenging for the players. There is nowhere to hide. If your fitness is poor it shows, if you have bad touch it shows, if you have no imagination it shows, if you're slow with the ball it shows, if you can't defend 1v1 it shows, if you can't beat someone 1v1 it shows, etc., etc..

        At the youth level 11v11 does not ask near as much of the individual, hence the individual does not grow as a player. But in small sided you can tell who knows how to play right away.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Am I missing something here? Wasn't the primary reason for the OPL/OYSA split because OPL didn't want to be forced to play small sided? Wasn't OYSA's reasoning that small sided was the direction the national federation was going?

          Small sided games develop the quickness, footskills, and one and two touch abilities Spain and Brazil are famous for. Full field develops fitness, endurance, etc...

          I for one believe the skills make the stronger foundation. For those who say small sided games are boring to older kids, you need to watch a teAm like Spain or Brazil warm up or train. They are so fast, and in constant motion, there is no way you could consider that boring.
          You are missing something, 8 V 8 was just one reason and OYSA didn't actually do it. I beleive all of the clubs play short sided games for development just as they want to play 11 V 11 games in league for development.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            You are missing something, 8 V 8 was just one reason and OYSA didn't actually do it. I beleive all of the clubs play short sided games for development just as they want to play 11 V 11 games in league for development.
            Playing smallsided amongst your team at practice, or against another team are two totally different animals. About the only explanation I can see for going full sides instead of small sided is inadequate coaching. If a player develops playing small sided the only additional training ti go full sided is fitness, unfortunately it is not si simple going the other way. Imagine for a second the speed of play if you put a U-18 team in a small field. That is how you beat socal.

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              #21
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              The economics of 8v8 vs 11v11 are not correct. A 8v8 situation can be structured to approximate 11v11. The problem with the USA not competing with the world comes to basic things. Not our best athletes play soccer and our coaches are unable to teach the technical side of the game. They tend to spend their time on the tactical part of the game which is very easy to teach. Tactics are introduced way to early. Let's face it our coaching has an English influence and not much South American influence. When was the last time England was successful on the pitch. As a country we do not have a creative player or players who are sound technically or have an attacking mentality. Until soccer stops being a hobby and a two-day a week practice schedule, we will continue to not be successful on world stage. If Landon Donovan is truly our best, we are in trouble. With competition from baseball, american football, basketball and lacross.. I don't see success coming soon.

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