MLS Timbers Academy with OPL only?

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I heard that the Timbers have decided to partner with the OPL only and not OYSA. Any truth to this? If it is true that would look pretty bad for OYSA.

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Lets see. Gavin W. is the director of the Timbers and the DOC of EastSide and EastSide is OPL, makes sense that the Academy team would a line with the OPL.

My bet is the Timbers train at the EastSide's new fields.

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I had initially heard they were going with OPL and OYSA but I guess maybe they just decided on OPL. Things are not looking good for OYSA.

Do you think the Timbers Academy will be better than ODP?

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I heard that the Timbers have decided to partner with the OPL only and not OYSA. Any truth to this? If it is true that would look pretty bad for OYSA.

why would that look bad for OYSA ? The Timbers can choose whomever they want to partner with. The deal on the table with OYSA was not going to be cheap, as OYSA was not going to "hand over" the ODP reigns to the Timbers for free.

Are you just a hatter or just trying to stir the pot ?

Obviously you don't have a player that's playing ODP now, otherwise you'd know all this info.

The only thing that this is going to do is cause both programs to be weak(er). Our state is NOT big enough for 2 top tier national development programs. Each year we have 4-8 players that make it past the regionals, those same players will still do it regardless where they play. The program with the strongest college showcasing will be the one to be with, not the logo on the jersey they wear.

There are only so many players/families willing to pay for this level of commitment. OYSA with their regionalized training and tryouts was a huge success this year. The Timbers program is modeled the same way.

The only people this is going to benefit is going to be the coaches. With two programs youll have twice as many coaches on the payrol, so the stimulation to the coaches economy will benefit.

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why would that look bad for OYSA ? The Timbers can choose whomever they want to partner with. The deal on the table with OYSA was not going to be cheap, as OYSA was not going to "hand over" the ODP reigns to the Timbers for free.

Are you just a hatter or just trying to stir the pot ?

Obviously you don't have a player that's playing ODP now, otherwise you'd know all this info.

The only thing that this is going to do is cause both programs to be weak(er). Our state is NOT big enough for 2 top tier national development programs. Each year we have 4-8 players that make it past the regionals, those same players will still do it regardless where they play. The program with the strongest college showcasing will be the one to be with, not the logo on the jersey they wear.

There are only so many players/families willing to pay for this level of commitment. OYSA with their regionalized training and tryouts was a huge success this year. The Timbers program is modeled the same way.

The only people this is going to benefit is going to be the coaches. With two programs youll have twice as many coaches on the payrol, so the stimulation to the coaches economy will benefit.

It would be surprising if the Timbers do this and potentially alienate a big part of their fan base. In otehr MLS cities like Houston, Dallas and Denver the MLS Academies set up youth programs that competed with other big clubs, and thus hurt their attendance. Seattle came in and took over ODP so as to not compete with clubs, and it is a big part of their sucess at the box office. I hope the Timbers will be all inclusive and not get invovled in the petty politics of youth soccer, it is a silly move for them if they do.

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why would that look bad for OYSA ? The Timbers can choose whomever they want to partner with. The deal on the table with OYSA was not going to be cheap, as OYSA was not going to "hand over" the ODP reigns to the Timbers for free.

Are you just a hatter or just trying to stir the pot ?

Obviously you don't have a player that's playing ODP now, otherwise you'd know all this info.

The only thing that this is going to do is cause both programs to be weak(er). Our state is NOT big enough for 2 top tier national development programs. Each year we have 4-8 players that make it past the regionals, those same players will still do it regardless where they play. The program with the strongest college showcasing will be the one to be with, not the logo on the jersey they wear.

There are only so many players/families willing to pay for this level of commitment. OYSA with their regionalized training and tryouts was a huge success this year. The Timbers program is modeled the same way.

The only people this is going to benefit is going to be the coaches. With two programs youll have twice as many coaches on the payrol, so the stimulation to the coaches economy will benefit.

I am neither a hater or trying to stir the pot. I was actually asking for clarification. You seem to be a bit defensive about the situation. I only stated that it would look bad for OYSA because the MLS club is choosing to go with the OPL and not them, especially since OYSA has lost 20 other clubs.

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So if the two soccer organizations will make Oregon weaker, when will OYSA fold? or turn itself over to the OPL?

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So if the two soccer organizations will make Oregon weaker, when will OYSA fold? or turn itself over to the OPL?

good questions, why not call Chuck and ask him ?

Better yet, why not the OPL return to OYSA ? wouldnt that make better sense ? one non-biased state ran organization that looks out for whats best for every player in the state rather than only those that are in their clubs.

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I am neither a hater or trying to stir the pot. I was actually asking for clarification. You seem to be a bit defensive about the situation. I only stated that it would look bad for OYSA because the MLS club is choosing to go with the OPL and not them, especially since OYSA has lost 20 other clubs.

sure it isnt 50 clubs ?

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sure it isnt 50 clubs ?

Nope, not yet. Just the 20 clubs for now. :)

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OYSA and their regionalized approach was not successful, actually. If you ask the parents and players who participated in this you will find over 50% who were very displeased and unhappy. Many of whom spoke to Washington area parents and discovered how different their regionalized approach is, from training to selection to games and coaching. Washington's works, minor flaws, yes, but it works and can be called successful. I believe the Sounders involvement plays a nice role in that.

Oregon's ODP will lose sorely to both Washington's ODP and OPL's new Timbers program. It looks to be more modeled after the Wa ODP, with coach recommendations, and non-bias selection and coaching/training.

Oregon's ODP should have made some changes years ago, there is a strong reason, and not just financial, why you don't see the true top players at ODP in Oregon. I think you certainly see some, but in many age groups, not even the majority. And it has only gotten worse as the years have gone on.

My oldest played ODP, and now my younger one does as well. I actually feel the program isn't as strong as it used to be and less of the better players are coming out, with less and less of the clubs and coaches recommending ODP. I hope the new OPL Timbers league proves better and more true to what ODP should really be; the best of the best.

We are close enough to Wa. and if the new OPL Timbers league doesn't prove better, we will be looking at Wa's ODP next year, it is indeed at least a step up. OYSA and ODP are little too late on many accounts in my opinion.

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OYSA and their regionalized approach was not successful, actually. If you ask the parents and players who participated in this you will find over 50% who were very displeased and unhappy. Many of whom spoke to Washington area parents and discovered how different their regionalized approach is, from training to selection to games and coaching. Washington's works, minor flaws, yes, but it works and can be called successful. I believe the Sounders involvement plays a nice role in that.

Oregon's ODP will lose sorely to both Washington's ODP and OPL's new Timbers program. It looks to be more modeled after the Wa ODP, with coach recommendations, and non-bias selection and coaching/training.

Oregon's ODP should have made some changes years ago, there is a strong reason, and not just financial, why you don't see the true top players at ODP in Oregon. I think you certainly see some, but in many age groups, not even the majority. And it has only gotten worse as the years have gone on.

My oldest played ODP, and now my younger one does as well. I actually feel the program isn't as strong as it used to be and less of the better players are coming out, with less and less of the clubs and coaches recommending ODP. I hope the new OPL Timbers league proves better and more true to what ODP should really be; the best of the best.

We are close enough to Wa. and if the new OPL Timbers league doesn't prove better, we will be looking at Wa's ODP next year, it is indeed at least a step up. OYSA and ODP are little too late on many accounts in my opinion.

Can't speak re the boys, but this sure the heck isn't the case with the girls. The stats for the region also don't back this up. In fact there has been a steady increase on the Regional teams over the past 5 years or so. Of course, not every top player plays ODP, but to suggest you don't see the "true dop players at ODP in Oregon" is nonsense - at least on the girls side.

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Can't speak re the boys, but this sure the heck isn't the case with the girls. The stats for the region also don't back this up. In fact there has been a steady increase on the Regional teams over the past 5 years or so. Of course, not every top player plays ODP, but to suggest you don't see the "true dop players at ODP in Oregon" is nonsense - at least on the girls side.

Not at '97 you don't and if you do then I agree that the '97 pool is weak.

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OYSA produced stats are laughable....internal skewed propaganda..same o..same o...boys side of odp is miserable..cal-south, cal-north, washington and colorado best players are locked into us dev academy so any stats that show oregon with more players than the past vs. these states is a psedu-stat...we oregon don't fill the region iv team on the girls side like california and we have never even come close to winning a region iv title in competitive club girls soccer...but if you think it's (oregon odp) really good...good for you and your perception...I will look for your daughter along with many other oregonians on the full senior women's national team in the near future..since the best girls get placed on this team beginning at age 16 or 17 and stay for 10 years +...exciting :0 )

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OYSA produced stats are laughable....internal skewed propaganda..same o..same o...boys side of odp is miserable..cal-south, cal-north, washington and colorado best players are locked into us dev academy so any stats that show oregon with more players than the past vs. these states is a psedu-stat...we oregon don't fill the region iv team on the girls side like california and we have never even come close to winning a region iv title in competitive club girls soccer...but if you think it's (oregon odp) really good...good for you and your perception...I will look for your daughter along with many other oregonians on the full senior women's national team in the near future..since the best girls get placed on this team beginning at age 16 or 17 and stay for 10 years +...exciting :0 )

Please try to make sense, will you. CA is the gold standard. No question. Any state that compares itself with CA will not compare favorably. That wasn't the comment or question (although OR place as well as any state other than CA in the Region). Nor was the comment about the national team. The comment pertained to in-state players and those who play ODP. Start with Sarah Bridges (6A player of the year and ODP) and I think you'll see that most (not all!) of the better players have been playing ODP at one time or another and it HAS only gotten better. Given the consistentcy in your ramblings, I suspect you are the same poster who regularly tries to bash OYSA in support of OPL, no matter the topic, so unfortunately your comments are essentially worthless.