OPL Club Finances

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Check out this website:
www.guidestar.com

I think you have access to more information if you register. It's free and easy to register. Then, just type in the name of the OPL club that you want to look at. (Sometimes clubs with similar names will pop up.) Choose the right club. Once on their page, click on the Form 990 and Docs. This will take you to their most recent tax returns.

Lots of interesting stuff.... for some clubs you can see how much they pay for fields, staff, etc. However, we all know these clubs have DOCs. We all know they don't work for free. Yet, when asked to list their five highest paid employees, the forms often say none. When asked to list their five highest paid independent contractors, the forms often say none. Now, I'm not a tax person, but I don't understand how that can possibly be. Where to they report how much their paying all of those classic coaches and office staff.

Anyone in the tax world know what is happening?

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Where did all the money go

I have learned a lot reading the information on this site. I wish more of us would send all of our friends here.

I and another mom did some checking and here is what we learned. Teams paid around $900 to play in the OPL. (My son was at LO on the U12 team). They had a total of around 89 teams in the U11 and U12 groups for boys and girls. That is revenue of over $80,000. Our fees certainly were not reduced and our club ran the stupid thing. We know OPL doesn't have any any overhead - no staff (existing staff at the various OPL clubs do the work) no fields to rent (we only use a few and those clubs pay for them). I bet this paid for all of the coaches to have their party in January at the Chinook Winds.

Sure am glad we're part of this group - NOT! Actually, we're leaving and finding a club that is staying with OYSA. They may have made errors in the past, but at least I know they care about soccer and not just lining their own pockets.

At least, when they say they are a non-profit, they are a true non-profit and not a pretend non-profit. At least they are making changes, and yes, we all know change comes slowly, but they are making them. I say we all stay with them and the let the egos at OPL flounder and fold. If no one plays in their sandbox, wonder what they will do.

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Thanks for providing this useful information.

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OPL clubs shaky financial ground

I found my club on the www.guidestar.org website. I am surprised they're still in business. This was a surprise and now it makes sense why they're forming this separate group of clubs. With the profits expected from running leagues, there was no motivation for them to work out anything with OYSA. My kids don't need to play for people like this.

You do need to register to see the tax returns. But it was easy and free.
www.guidestar.org

For some reason, I could not find OSA and THUSC. I found all the rest.

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I have learned a lot reading the information on this site. I wish more of us would send all of our friends here.

I and another mom did some checking and here is what we learned. Teams paid around $900 to play in the OPL. (My son was at LO on the U12 team). They had a total of around 89 teams in the U11 and U12 groups for boys and girls. That is revenue of over $80,000. Our fees certainly were not reduced and our club ran the stupid thing. We know OPL doesn't have any any overhead - no staff (existing staff at the various OPL clubs do the work) no fields to rent (we only use a few and those clubs pay for them). I bet this paid for all of the coaches to have their party in January at the Chinook Winds.

Sure am glad we're part of this group - NOT! Actually, we're leaving and finding a club that is staying with OYSA. They may have made errors in the past, but at least I know they care about soccer and not just lining their own pockets.

Yeah, do some more research and look through the OYSA financials and board minutes. They have revenue of over 2 million and are running at a deficit? Look at where the majority of their expenses are............

And running a league is not a money maker, tournaments are. Think of this, $900 for league and you get what, a minmum of 8 games or are they going to do 10? Tournaments, you pay $525 (or if LO $725, what a joke!) and get a guaranteed 3 games. Do the math, running a league will not make a ton of revenue.

Tournaments are where every club or organization, including OYSA make the most money. So the clubs usually have 1 tournament, OPL had one tournament (which I admit was not run very well). Lets think about OYSA: PQT's, QT's, Presidents Cup, State Cup, Kohl's Cup, am I missing any? Now how much revenue do they make? Lets not forget these tournaments have a higher than normal entry fee compared to the clubs. And lets not forget ODP.

Lets be fair and balanced in our criticisms or compliments of either organization

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Profit centers - tournaments vs leagues

I never heard of a tournament making over $80,000. The OPL has no overhead and just sat back and collected the money; and this is just on the U11 and U12 teams. Now they want to run more leagues and they also have the U10 league.

I can be fair and balanced, but OYSA does a lot of stuff besides running leagues and tournaments. And yes, I agree their staff is bloated and they can cut costs, but at least they're fair and honest when dealing with soccer clubs and they care!!!! They are trying to improve. Has been fast enough for some? Probably not. But, I still think they're the way to go in the long run.

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Yeah, do some more research and look through the OYSA financials and board minutes.

For those that are interested, here's a direct link to the most recent OYSA budget: http://www.oregonyouthsoccer.org/Use...13_summary.pdf

I don't believe there is a similar document available from OPL.

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OPL Finances - hidden?

Of course, you will not see the financials of their organization. I encourage you to review each of their respective tax returns and ask yourself how they are even still in business.

www.guidestar.org

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Club Finances

Clubs should be required to display their finances on their websites. OYSA does it as they have nothing to hide. They are there to serve their members. Clubs and the OPL do have something to hide. Who thinks they will ever see a financial report from the OPL group of clubs?

Oh yeah, I have a really nice bridge to sell.

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Opl

I attended the OPL meeting last night. It was verbalized that OPL is big into coaching and not into administration. There will be as few of rules as possible. There are reasons why OYSA had created administration such as for conflict dispute and rules to keep all of the disparate interests working together mostly harmoniously. The coaches should not take over the show, they should coach and provide some input. I believe that this structure will lend itself to back room deals away from the light of day. I know that LOSC's head coach, Frasier Morrison puts on a good show and knows what to say, but it's always been "his way or the highway". I feel bad for the small clubs that will be compelled to join OPL. I feel bad for the kids who will get short changed as a result of the closed door operation and decisions without stated rules and no redress. Which kids get advanced to ODP, which teams get into which brackets. It's baloney that the big clubs won't favor themselves and you're a fool if you're not one of the 8 and you think otherwise. The smaller clubs and out of the area clubs will be paying, but they won't have representation. I don't like it one bit, but when you get the big 8 clubs. Now, I'm not saying that venue based soccer is a bad thing or that development through US Soccer, Timbers, etc., is a bad thing, I just think that you have to have an organizational backbone to make things fair.

All you have to do to make this work is give the small clubs a seat at the table, publish the rules and have a dispute resolution process.

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OPL is dethrowning the Big Government. Bring that on and take it to this current government we have in DC, the more politics the more people needed to be involved and the slower everything moves.

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OPL is dethrowning the Big Government. Bring that on and take it to this current government we have in DC, the more politics the more people needed to be involved and the slower everything moves.

Great. The tea-baggers are coming to youth soccer, just as clueless as ever.

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OYSA is about the kids and that is why they should not be in premeir soccer. Anyone who has been involved in competitive soccer knows premeir soccer is not about the kids. I have been in it for years and regardless of what people say the premeir teams are about winning. OPL is about creating better teams to compete at a higher level nationally. The goal is to pool the talent to create regionally and nationally competitive teams, the advantage will be to the 8 clubs and players will migrate to them. Already happening on some of these OPL club teams. OYSA could continue to thrive by providing a kid first competitive league that develops players who don't want the high level of competition, travel and expenses that go with it. This will be good for everyone because I don't think the OPL will be good for lower level teams just as OYSA has screwed up the premeir teams.

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Interesting point of view. I think you are on to something. It is still in line with the political feel of the last two post.

OPL is for the advancement of the skilled or elite, which leads to some losses along the way.


OYSA is for everyone else and we all are winners.

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Interesting point of view. I think you are on to something. It is still in line with the political feel of the last two post.

OPL is for the advancement of the skilled or elite, which leads to some losses along the way.


OYSA is for everyone else and we all are winners.

At the expense of the bulk of the state, and somehow "we are all winners." It's that strained logic that will lead to the screw up of soccer in this state. (And yes, I do have some knowledge of this area.)